368 réponses à ce sujet

[KBomb]

Yes, but that is a minor technicality.

Awakening = Origins. Warden = Hero of Ferelden = Orlesian Warden.

Of course we know that the Orlesian Warden is not actually the Hero of Ferelden, but they are still from Origins. Thus making the Warden next to Hawke not the Orlesian Warden.

What Mike Laidlaw said was that it isn't "The" warden, specifically 'your' warden from Origins. He emphasized "the" very clearly. Another dev (I want to say Patrick Weekes, though I could be wrong) avoided the answer as being too spoilery when asked if it was the Orlesian Warden.

The warden from Origins proper is always referred to as the Hero of Fereldan. The Orlesian warden has no connection to Origins proper, and has only a story within Awakenings. To lump the two wardens together simply because Awakenings is an expansion is far reaching. Expansion or no, they are two different stories, two different circumstances and completely different protagonists.

[theskymoves]

This. And maybe that's Alistair. I don't get how people say "That can't be Alistair, it doesn't look like him." Really? Same hair color, same hair style, same pointy nose? Hazelish eyes? Same Grey Warden armor that he was wearing when he met Hawke during the battle in Kirkwall with the Qunari? Is carrying a big long sword in his hand? And if you want to say it still doesn't look like him, well, Cullen looks pretty different from Origins, to DA2, to Inquisition, also.

 

DA2!Warden!Alistair doesn't wear Warden armour, unless he's modded to do so.

 

In vanilla, he wears a retextured version of his dead brother's armour:

 

But he can be modded to wear teh Warden gear (AND OMG ALISTAIR WHERE IS YOUR SHIELD?)

 

/alistair pedantry

[Chari]

I see you got stuck on the equation I developed and not it's description underneath it.

 

Perhaps, but since you are not Mike Laidlaw (the intrepid tweeter) we can never be sure what he meant.

 

We can of course read into it as such, but since he may believe Awakening = Origins then we can never be sure.

 

However, we can attempt to deconstruct Patrick Weekes' tweet where he responded with an image claiming SPOILERS when asked the question. Unfortunately, it is almost as unreliable as Laidlaw's tweet as Weekes' could have had any number of intents with it.

 

Overall, I just enjoy seeing Chari's mental state when I disagree with him/her as well as my general belief that it leads to more disappointment if you try to read too much into things.

Your equation is quite faulty, since Hero of Ferelden=/=Orlesian Warden, ever

 

Eh, I'm glad my "mental state" entertains you so much. Though I'm not sure if I should get offended and call mods? Please, keep our discussion civil or don't waste my time

[Dermain]

What Mike Laidlaw said was that it isn't "The" warden, specifically 'your' warden from Origins. He emphasized "the" very clearly. Another dev (I want to say Patrick Weekes, though I could be wrong) avoided the answer as being too spoilery when asked if it was the Orlesian Warden.

 

Weekes's response can be summed up simply.

 

It is a spoiler. It's really quite simple.

 

Does this mean that it is the Orlesian Warden? No.

 

Does this mean it is a random Warden NPC? No.

 

Can we infer who that NPC is? No.

 

 

Your equation is quite faulty, since Hero of Ferelden=/=Orlesian Warden, ever

 

Eh, I'm glad my "mental state" entertains you so much. Though I'm not sure if I should get offended and call mods? Please, keep our discussion civil or don't waste my time

 

 

Should you be offended?

 

Of course not. Poor wording is all.

 

A far better way to state it would be:

 

I enjoy seeing you come up with arguments to counter my own. 

[KBomb]

Weekes's response can be summed up simply.

It is a spoiler. It's really quite simple.

Does this mean that it is the Orlesian Warden? No.

Does this mean it is a random Warden NPC? No.

Can we infer who that NPC is? No.

I don't think it's definitive proof that it is the Orlesian Warden, however; I think the evidence certainly adds a more likely than not scenario. It isn't a huge leap to speculate that it could be the warden from Orlais, which is Bioware's only remaining canon warden(along with anyone else who did the US). That being said, the next logical conclusion would be to assume if that is the case, those who have the Hero of Fereldan as their canon will make an appearance.

The only certainty is that we won't know the answer until Bioware tells us. Until then, I am standing by the theory it is the Warden from Orlais and if I am wrong, I'll accept it and move on- as I think most will.

[Chari]

Weekes's response can be summed up simply.

 

It is a spoiler. It's really quite simple.

 

Does this mean that it is the Orlesian Warden? No.

 

Does this mean it is a random Warden NPC? No.

 

Can we infer who that NPC is? No.

 

Should you be offended?

 

Of course not. Poor wording is all.

 

A far better way to state it would be:

 

I enjoy seeing you come up with arguments to counter my own. 

As I said before, Bioware can be quite predicatble in their patterns. If there was no spoilery secret (and a random NPC i hardly a spoiler), he would answer. The more thye avoid questions and do not give a clear answer, the more likely it seems this is indeed the OW

 

That's better. Keep it this way

[Dermain]

As I said before, Bioware can be quite predicatble in their patterns.If there was no spoilery secret (and a random NPC i hardly a spoiler) I, he would answer. The more thye avoid questions and do not give a clear answer, the more likely it seems this is indeed the OW.

 

Seeing as we lack context of the scene we have no clear idea whether the identity of the mysterious warden is a spoiler. 

 

Can it be? Yes.

 

Can it not be? Yes.

 

If the context of the scene has the mysterious Warden being somehow important to either the main story or to a particular story it is a spoiler. 

 

 

That's better. Keep it this way

 

It always has been, and always will be.

 

Side note: Since I just saw this tweet.

 

User

@Mike_Laidlaw Wait do you mean it's not "our" warden because we haven't added our own appearance to him/her yet. Or it's not the character?

 

Mike Laidlaw‏@Mike_Laidlaw

That is not the Hero of Ferelden / the main PC from Origins.

 

I will concede that it defeats my argument of Awakening = Origins, but it does not absolutely mean that it is the OW (Orlesian Warden).

[pdusen]

Has it occurred to anyone else that maybe the blonde warden is just a generic, no-name Grey Warden? I admit, it would be a little misleading to put a redshirt in Warden armor next to Hawke, but it's not like Hawke can only stand beside important people. Maybe we're all just jumping to conclusions here?

Nonsense. That theory is entirely too reasonable and fits the given evidence too well, and it doesn't confirm anyone's head canon. That means it can't be true.

[Chari]

I will concede that it defeats my argument of Awakening = Origins, but it does not absolutely mean that it is the OW (Orlesian Warden).

 

This tweet is kinda old. Didn't I quote it before? Hm

Welp, just as I said: this is another possible hint that this is OW. Maybe he is not. But I'll stick to my version

[J-Reyno]

It's a little confusing.  It would have been a easier to interpret if he'd said "Dragon Age: Origins" instead of just "Origins".  It can definitely be said that the word covers both games.

Have to amend this statement.  Like OP says, he does state specifically (in an earlier tweet than the one I originally read) that it is not the "DAO" Warden.  My bad.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

You have a five second trailer clip with literally no context about the scene.

And keep in mind the "BioWare default" is a male Hawke, so the default HoF doing the US ending doesn't really lend any real credibility to the theory.

Personally, based on what I've seen, I think uniting three main PC's from the series to fight a demon spider crab may be a bit overkill.

But, again, no context. That may well be the most dramatic scene in the game escaping from a horde of ultimate demons or something. Or it might just be an impressive boss fight to end Hawke's sidequest to rescue a warden team / leader from a tear in the fade somewhere in the Free Marches.

If it's just Corypheus then it makes perfect sense for Hawke to be alone in the cameo with a generic NPC warden, since the wardens are already directly involved with that plotline.

[ElitePinecone]

If it's just Corypheus then it makes perfect sense for Hawke to be alone in the cameo with a generic NPC warden, since the wardens are already directly involved with that plotline.

 

Or an important NPC Warden, even.

 

There will be new significant characters in DA:I, despite everyone obsessing about all the old ones

[WildOrchid]

And keep in mind the "BioWare default" is a male Hawke, so the default HoF doing the US ending doesn't really lend any real credibility to the theory.
 

 

Nope. Default Hawke is female and male. Marketing has nothing to do with who bioware calls "default".

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Maaaaaaaybeeeeee.

Maybe not!

Mike Laidlaw has told us that we'll be able to customize any returning PCs. He's also said that the Warden in the image is not the DA:O Warden.

 

 

Haven't they also said that the Bioware canon Grey Warden is dead? 

[movieguyabw]

Haven't they also said that the Bioware canon Grey Warden is dead? 

 

"Default" Warden is going to be dead, yes.  It's stated with the interview that Ashe posted to her channel that the default state for Inquisition will assume that whatever story arc could have been wrapped up was, and that usually means whoever could have died did die.

 

I'm only mentioning this because I keep seeing everyone saying that "we already know the canon warden was Dalish and made the Ultimate Sacrifice, and put Bhelen on the throne..."  - but we don't actually know this.  This was a preset option for DA2.  The default option is likely going to be different.  However, as far as we know, the Warden will have made the ultimate sacrifice in Inquisition default.  (It's also very possible that female mage Hawke will be a default setting, despite male Hawke being predominant in DA2's advertisements)

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Nope. Default Hawke is female and male. Marketing has nothing to do with who bioware calls "default".

Eh? The "Bioware Defaults", or what gets imported into a game without the Keep, is a female Dalish Warden who died killing the Archdemon and a male Hawke that supported the mages.

That's what I read, anyway.

[WildOrchid]

Eh? The "Bioware Defaults", or what gets imported into a game without the Keep, is a female Dalish Warden who died killing the Archdemon and a male Hawke that supported the mages.

That's what I read, anyway.

 

I haven't read anything of this sort. Male hawke was used for the marketing only.

[TheGusWho]

Eh? The "Bioware Defaults", or what gets imported into a game without the Keep, is a female Dalish Warden who died killing the Archdemon and a male Hawke that supported the mages.

That's what I read, anyway.

 

Do you have a link for where you read this? I'd like to read up.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I will look for the link when I get home. I know I read it somewhere official-like, either an interview or an FAQ somewhere.

[Chari]

It was mentioned in tweets, no?

Though I can see them changing Hawke's gender since that would make three PCs in the scene all male and the only female one dead by this time. Sides gender changes nothing, Class might, race might. Gender in DA2 only decides if one can romance Sebastian...

[AresKeith]

I haven't seen anything in regards to what gender Bioware has for their Hawke

[Palidane]

I will look for the link when I get home. I know I read it somewhere official-like, either an interview or an FAQ somewhere.

She's right, I remember reading the same thing. I could have sworn it was Mike Laidlaw's twitter, but I don't have it on hand at the moment.

[yullyuk]

i still hope that the warden makes an actual appearance, i dont want to not have them not make an appearence if hawke is making one

[Maria Caliban]

I have never seen anything official on what default Hawke's gender is.

[jlb524]

I haven't seen anything in regards to what gender Bioware has for their Hawke

 

I've only seen this tweet from Mark Darrah.  Doesn't mention gender but there could be something else out there.