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[jlb524]

Probably b/c Hawke was just a human while the Warden was a muthafck'n ELF!!

 

elven pride

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Probably b/c Hawke was just a human while the Warden was a muthafck'n ELF!!

 

elven pride

 

preach it

 

represent

[wtfman99]

- Wasn't able to save their mother.

 

- Manipulated by sister petrice, which resulted in deaths.

 

- Death of the viscount and many others deaths.

 

- Manipulated by Anders which resulted in deaths.

 

Everytime Hawke tried to fix something, it always ended bad.

 

Okay, I will give you a couple points but i'd also argue some of these points.

 

His mother died - That was heart breaking, but what do you want him to do? Do you stand guard of your mother 24/7? She was taken, got to her as fast as he could but by then it was too late. She had been walking around in broad day light when he abducted her. In Hawke's shoes i'd feel terrible but on the outside looking in, nothing he could of done. No one realized this guy was piecing together his dead wife. Not his fault.

 

The Petrice thing - I can't debate that - It annoyed the heck out of me that I couldn't just shank her behind the building. It was clear it wouldn't end well. His fault.

 

Death of the viscount - It was a small quanari army vs Hawke at the time, Aveline was with Hawke at the time too, you grabbed your party after the ambush, and got to the keep as quick as they could. You could probably blame the city guard on that more then Hawke. Hawke was on the other side of the city and had to fight his way through. Not his fault. He was actually at the quanari compound for the initial ambush from the quanari by the Viscount's orders, or at least Aveline heavily implied this.

 

You can refuse to pick up the ingredients for Anders and he will blow up the chantry anyway, or you can help him. You can also kill him as well. This is kind of neautral and it is entirely on the player, if you went along with Anders, then Hawke/you are responsible. I didn't help him, seemed fishy when he wouldn't tell me why he needed the ingredients.

 

Now tell me - What choices did you make in DA:O as a Warden? You can make a case that he caused a lot of deaths as well.

[DisturbedJim83]

- Wasn't able to save their mother.

 

- Manipulated by sister petrice, which resulted in deaths.

 

- Death of the viscount and many others deaths.

 

- Manipulated by Anders which resulted in deaths.

 

Everytime Hawke tried to fix something, it always ended bad.

Oh so it ok for the Warden to fail to save both Amaranthine and The Vigil at the same time but if Hawke cant stop something that was not his/her fault then they are failure, I smell  strong Warden fanboy bias in you.

Also to correct you:

 

My Hawke was not manipulated by Anders, he refused to help 

 

My Hawke was not manipulated by Petrice either he saw right through her scheme and confronted her about it after making it clear she was his enemy.

 

Hawke was not responsible for the death of the Viscount the blame lies entirely on the unjustified aggression of The Arishok who refused to wait while Hawke recovered the tome of Koslun.

 

Since when is it Hawke fault that some crazed bloodmage killed his mother to use her head to remake his dead wife ?

 

Seems like your just butthurt that you could not play "Your Warden" again so you just blame everything on Hawke.

[Urazz]

Okay, I will give you a couple points but i'd also argue some of these points.

 

His mother died - That was heart breaking, but what do you want him to do? Do you stand guard of your mother 24/7? She was taken, got to her as fast as he could but by then it was too late. She had been walking around in broad day light when he abducted her. In Hawke's shoes i'd feel terrible but on the outside looking in, nothing he could of done. No one realized this guy was piecing together his dead wife. Not his fault.

 

The Petrice thing - I can't debate that - It annoyed the heck out of me that I couldn't just shank her behind the building. It was clear it wouldn't end well. His fault.

 

Death of the viscount - It was a small quanari army vs Hawke at the time, Aveline was with Hawke at the time, their group was ambushed and they got to the keep as quick as they could. You could probably blame the city guard on that more then Hawke. Hawke was on the other side of the city and had to fight his way through. Not his fault.

 

You can refuse to pick up the ingredients for Anders and he will blow up the chantry anyway, or you can help him. You can also kill him as well. This is kind of neautral and it is entirely on the player, if you went along with Anders, then Hawke/you are responsible. I didn't help him, seemed fishy when he wouldn't tell me why he needed the ingredients.

 

Now tell me - What choices did you make in DA:O as a Warden? You can make a case that he caused a lot of deaths as well.

Yeah, I didn't help Anders as well.  He was being entirely too erratic in Act 3 altogether and was being too evasive when I questioned him in detail about the ingredients.

[Milan92]

Oh so it ok for the Warden to fail to save both Amaranthine and The Vigil at the same time but if Hawke cant stop something that was not his/her fault then they are failure, I smell  strong Warden fanboy bias in you.

Also to correct you:

 

My Hawke was not manipulated by Anders, he refused to help 

 

My Hawke was not manipulated by Petrice either he saw right through her scheme and confronted her about it after making it clear she was his enemy.

 

Hawke was not responsible for the death of the Viscount the blame lies entirely on the unjustified aggression of The Arishok who refused to wait while Hawke recovered the tome of Koslun.

 

Since when is it Hawke fault that some crazed bloodmage killed his mother to use her head to remake his dead wife ?

 

Seems like your just butthurt that you could not play "Your Warden" again so you just blame everything on Hawke.

 

Oh believe me, the last thing I'll ever be is a fanboy.

[Hellion Rex]

http://theboyofchees...all-dreaming-of

[Milan92]

For the record, I liked to play as Hawke in DA 2.

 

I like that we are now the inquisitor in DA:I

 

I don't suffer from clinginess to old protagonists like some people on the forum do.

[WildOrchid]

 

Caption: The moment we are all dreaming of.

 

http://theboyofcheese.tumblr.com/

 

Ah Marian.... stunning as always.

Something like this better happen for the sake of Hawke/Varric friendship.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

I am baffled at how anyone could think thats Alistair with Hawke. THATS NOT HIS HAIR!

[AresKeith]

But some don't have it. such as me because i didn't get it with my copy and i spend my money quicker than i have it.

I think Bioware said those events still happen

[GriffinFire]

I don't think anyone's saying they want to abandon their Inquisitor in order to play their Warden or Hawke again.  But those two are important characters who have had a major influence on the world, and, especially considering that they're your characters, it's exciting to see what they're up to now.

[Star fury]

For the record, I liked to play as Hawke in DA 2.
 
I like that we are now the inquisitor in DA:I
 
I don't suffer from clinginess to old protagonists like some people on the forum do.

I don't do that too, especially if it's just Hawke.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I am baffled at how anyone could think thats Alistair with Hawke. THATS NOT HIS HAIR!

I still say that's the warden commander from Awakening and it will be them showing up with Hawke if your Warden is dead or a placeholder character that's what I think it means when Mike said this is not "YOUR" Warden from ORIGINS.

 

Also who cares if people are excited about Hawke showing up? Don't ruin people's happiness by stating their faults that were clearly not in their/our control since WE are Hawke in DA 2, if the warden doesn't really show up after all then oh well its not going to ruin the game for me, I would be happy with just Hawke showing up.

[lady_v23]

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

- Wasn't able to save their mother.

 

- Manipulated by sister petrice, which resulted in deaths.

 

- Death of the viscount and many others deaths.

 

- Manipulated by Anders which resulted in deaths.

 

Everytime Hawke tried to fix something, it always ended bad.

 

-Sister/brother got killed/forced into Circle orTemplars/turned into a Warden

 

-Backstabbed by some filthy scumbag pirate not once, but twice

 

-Tricked and robbed by Bartrand (also, was part of an expedition that uncovered the lyrium idol, resulting in Meredith going mad)

 

-Manipulated into doing Flemeth's bidding

 

-Unable to save Keeper Marethari, possibly killing a whole Dalish clan in the process

 

-Unleashed Corypheus upon the world

 

Face it, Hawke was a failure. I'll be surprised if he survives Inquistion without falling into his own sword.

[JFarr74]

In a recent twitter post, Laidlaw responded to a inquiry that the Warden besides Hawke is the Orlesian Warden with "People are really overthinking this." Wonder what he means.......

[Master Warder Z_]

-Unable to save Keeper Marethari, possibly killing a whole Dalish clan in the process

 

That is no failing, in fact Hawke should get a medal, those elves were a pest to the city state.

 

Like cockroaches.

[Zu Long]

http://theboyofchees...all-dreaming-of

 

It should happen just like this. I want it to SO BADLY.

[Zu Long]

BTW- Can people quit it with the Hawke is a failure thing? I get it-some people didn't like him. There have been giant topics about how he/she wasn't able to do this or that. That's not really germaine to THIS topic, and all you're really doing is trolling at this point.

[KaiserShep]

BTW- Can people quit it with the Hawke is a failure thing? I get it-some people didn't like him. There have been giant topics about how he/she wasn't able to do this or that. That's not really germaine to THIS topic, and all you're really doing is trolling at this point.

It makes me hope that Hawke has some kind of heroic moment in the game that can't be avoided.

[Pateu]

-Sister/brother got killed/forced into Circle orTemplars/turned into a Warden

 

-Backstabbed by some filthy scumbag pirate not once, but twice

 

-Tricked and robbed by Bartrand (also, was part of an expedition that uncovered the lyrium idol, resulting in Meredith going mad)

 

-Manipulated into doing Flemeth's bidding

 

-Unable to save Keeper Marethari, possibly killing a whole Dalish clan in the process

 

-Unleashed Corypheus upon the world

 

Face it, Hawke was a failure. I'll be surprised if he survives Inquistion without falling into his own sword.

 

On the other hand, he saved Kirkwall from a Qunari invasion, stopped the 2 insane leaders of the Mages/Templars, killed a High Dragon, killed an Ancient demon, killed the Pride Demon possessing Marethari... hmm.. what else?

[Master Warder Z_]

On the other hand, he saved Kirkwall from a Qunari invasion, stopped the 2 insane leaders of the Mages/Templars, killed a High Dragon, killed an Ancient demon, killed the Pride Demon possessing Marethari... hmm.. what else?

 

Possibly killed a bunch of insanely annoying elves who cling to hateful dogma and rhetoric about racial superiority?

 

Killed a bunch of demons and blood mages and elves!

 

Hawke is awesome.