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[Willowhugger]

@ Elite midget

There really is no debate. You may like Hawke more or as much. Doesn't change the fact the the Warden's feats are superior making him/her more legendary.

My favorite football club is Esporte Club Bahia; that doesn't make them objectively better than Real Madrid or Barcelona.

 

Who cares, though?

 

Hawke's story was all about his personal emotional journey to becoming "Neutral No Longer." He does some pretty impressive stuff like killing a High Dragon, saves Kirkwall, being at ground zero for the war, and probably will go on to be a major leader of the game. But it's a different kind of story being told and about his personal struggles over the fate of the world.

 

I like Superman and I like Spiderman.

 

Spiderman isn't worse because he hasn't defeated Darkseid.

[KaiserShep]

These arguments over who's feats were greater are stupid. This makes me wonder how people are going to feel about the new protagonist of Mass Effect if he/she doesn't do all sorts of crazy things like Shepard did.

 

Did N7 guy fight Collectors and stop the reapers? No. Therefore, N7 guy sucks balls.

 

Actually... Superman would destroy Spider-Man. This reply speaks for itself.

 

That Superman is clearly superior in strength is not really the point, because it doesn't actually determine the strength of the character himself. Personally, I find Spider-Man a great deal more interesting and stronger as a character in general, mainly because he's far more vulnerable and must fight lots of bad guys regardless of this, like Batman.

[Willowhugger]

Actually... Superman would destroy Spider-Man. This reply speaks for itself.

 

He'd also destroy Batman.

 

[KaiserShep]

He'd also destroy Batman.

 

 

 

Provided Batman doesn't outsmart him first.

[Willowhugger]

This just means that you give N7 guy more - but different - feats until a hypothetical fight between the two could go either way. Like I said in the last page, I don't dislike Hawke. He's just not on the Warden's level... yet. Saying you think Hawke is better is just personal preference whereas for the Warden a case could actually be made.

 

It depends how you measure a character.

 

Appeal is as valid as feats.

[KaiserShep]

This just means that you give N7 guy more - but different - feats until a hypothetical fight between the two could go either way. Like I said in the last page, I don't dislike Hawke. He's just not on the Warden's leve... yet. Saying you think Hawke is better is just personal preference whereas for the Warden a case could actually be made.

 

Frankly I think that these hypothetical fights are pretty meaningless anyway, and that this level business is bunk. Fans base it all on the scope of the story and then determine that protagonist A can clearly beat protagonist B despite there being no real in-universe reason why it should be so obvious, like in that Warden vs. Hawke thread.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And Hawke wasn't a coward, Hawke did the only thing he/she could do to protect their family as Hawke was only a peasant with no means to deal with the Blight. The Warden on the other hand DID have the means to deal with the Blight. Thus you're unfairly attacking Hawke to try and make the Warden look more awesome while completely ignoring that you could be forced into the Order and didn't really have a choice on the matter. It was either end the Blight or die as Loghain was watching the borders so you weren't going to escape the country during the Blight since they were specifically looking for Wardens.

 

The Warden DID run after Ostagar when they realized that the blight was a real deal and the Warden abandons Lothering instead of facing the Blight. That's a fact. Whether it's cowardly or not is an opinion, what isn't is that the Warden DID run. Your the one that started the Hawke bashing, I merely pointed out the flaws of your argument and how your unfairly target Hawke while trying to over-exaggerate the Warden.

 

Still running no matter how you look at it. 

 

Hawke was a peasant with no means to fight the Blight and Hawke had a family to take care of. The Warden is an practically an Orphan that has no one personal that's depending on them when Ostagar falls like Hawke did. So face it, Hawke had VERY VALID reasons for fleeing Ferelden.

 

I'll number it for you.

 

1 - Hawke is a peasant, not a Warden.

2 - Hawke has no Title or Name they can call upon nor does Hawke have treaties.

3 - Hawke had a family that depended on him/her for their survival.

4 - Hawke fled Lothering AFTER it was attacked. The Warden left BEFORE Lothering was attacked so the Warden didn't suddenly wake up one morning to see a bunch of Darkspawn attacking his/her home like the Hawke Family did.

 

I'm merely stating what happened, you're purposely trying to downplay Hawke to make the Warden look better and twisting what happened so the Warden looks more heroic even though the fact of the matter is that both the Warden AND Hawke fled from the Blight. The only difference is the Warden had no choice but to try and solve the problem and actually had the means to do so. Expecting Hawke to stay and fight the Blight when they have no station, name, tittle, or means or coercion to force an army together is extremely unrealistic.

Dude what you are talking about warden had a choice he could flee and no he could escape to another country even riordan said that for 1 person crossing borders it isn't problem only for army so it was simple pure choice to stop the blight even flemeth said that warden can simple flee.

 

And no warden didn't flee s/he was searching how to stop problem when hawke exist the stage wheter it good or not it is up to but not same thing....

[KaiserShep]

There is an in universe reason. The Warden accomplished twice as much in a two year period (as opposed to seven).

 

I don't really find this reason compelling. Basically, both Hawke and the Warden are clearly above-average killing machines that can leave piles of bodies everywhere they go. The major difference with the Warden is two things: being a Grey Warden (taint and all) and the treaties. If not for the possession of the treaties, the Warden would not be able to even initiate talking with the Dalish, and would never have been able to enter Orzammar. Official documentation and status as a Warden (which was earned only in surviving the Joining) is what gained the PC access, but it was simply killing things left and right that completed the objective. Both characters can do this, but Hawke simply didn't have a reason to do this constantly for seven years.

 

When it really comes down to it, it's just a matter of whether or not Hawke can survive the Joining, which we'll never know.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That's not really a good reason. Basically, both Hawke and the Warden are clearly above-average killing machines that can leave piles of bodies everywhere they go. The major difference with the Warden is two things: being a Grey Warden (taint and all) and the treaties. If not for the possession of the treaties, the Warden would not be able to even initiate talking with the Dalish, and would never have been able to enter Orzammar. Official documentation is what gained the PC access, but it was simply killing things left and right that completed the objective. Both characters can do this, but Hawke simply didn't have a reason to do this constantly for seven years.

Well not entirely true you can talk with dalish elves even without saying reason why you are there.

Also for me hawke was pretty much failure in his life goals he failed at most main tasks when warden was guy who makes things done or at least it is up to player.

[KaiserShep]

It doesn't really matter what the Warden does, because in the end, the archdemon has to die anyway. You can screw lots of people over and still get at least that task done, because the darkspawn taint takes care of the rest.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It doesn't really matter what the Warden does, because in the end, the archdemon has to die anyway. You can screw lots of people over and still get at least that task done, because the darkspawn taint takes care of the rest.

In universe that matters because you affect world or at least part of it in a negative or positive way so yes you always realize prime goal and stop the blight but then you can chose in what way you affect peoples or main goal.Of course knowing that they rather can't handle import i won't be suprised if in the end it won't simple matter.  

[dsl08002]

The real question here is what is fair. If hawke appears in the game then warden has to as well. It is hardly fair towards the fans that has the warden as favorite character if only hawke appears and vice verse.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The real question here is what is fair. If hawke appears in the game then warden has to as well. It is hardly fair towards the fans that has the warden as favorite character if only hawke appears and vice verse.

Not rly as it is said hawke have only 3 possible personality sets when warden is pretty much clear character in terms of personality so well hawke could be pushed as npc the warden only if they wrote their own personality and by that destroying many wardens created by players.Well bio rly should stop spam with old characters and that zevran showed up doesn't mean that oghren should as well. 

[Star fury]

The real question here is what is fair. If hawke appears in the game then warden has to as well. It is hardly fair towards the fans that has the warden as favorite character if only hawke appears and vice verse.

Hawke is far more defined character, he/she is only a human and has only three personalities, while the Warden could be any of three races and has a lot of backgrounds. I want to see the Grey Warden more than Hawke, but I understand difficulties that devs face while trying to implement the GW.

[Star fury]

I didn't know an interesting character is defined by how much he can move their lips. Just because you have a voice in the game doesn't suddenly mean they're interesting.Then again I grew up playing Pokemon and Legend of Zelda so I'm used to silent main characters.

 

I like Hawke enough but The Grey Warden has much more replay value so I'm more excited to see how Bioware will tackle it in Inquisition than Hawke who has the same origin (Noble kid from Lothering), the same ending (Ditches Kirkwall) and has 3 different ways of talking to people at best.

Bioware dropped the ball with Hawke voice actors, they both sucked, especially actress who voiced a female Hawke. They were very bland and unemotional. Only sarcastic FemHawke was decent, but she wasn't able to show any other emotions except sarcasm. 

[tokunari]

Man.. I don't really want HoF to appear extensively in DAI.. I want to play as in an expansion.. I want to be able to fully control his choices, both words and actions..

[Black Jimmy]

Bioware dropped the ball with Hawke voice actors, they both sucked, especially actress who voiced a female Hawke. They were very bland and unemotional. Only sarcastic FemHawke was decent, but she wasn't able to show any other emotions except sarcasm. 

I thought that at first, but she's growing on me.

i hope Hawke gets involved in some of Varric's personal quests with us. They're besties, Hawke should be the one helping him through his troubles not the Inquisitor

[Exaltation]

Can't wait to see the interaction between Hawke and Amell Warden.