Guest_john_sheparrd_*
its a shame that the expansion was cancelled sure I'm glad that Hawke will be back and we will see some remnants of the expansion but we won't control him so its still sad
My Hawke became the Viscomt of Kirkwall really wanted to see how that worked out maybe rule a bit
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
Not rly as it is said hawke have only 3 possible personality sets when warden is pretty much clear character in terms of personality so well hawke could be pushed as npc the warden only if they wrote their own personality and by that destroying many wardens created by players.Well bio rly should stop spam with old characters and that zevran showed up doesn't mean that oghren should as well.
the same old blah from you?? You really don't like Hawke ( for very bad reasons, he didn't save the world so he is a "failure" as you said in a post)
and you don't want the Warden to return because it would destroy your precious headcanon
the question is what are you still doing in this thread? the people on here (and there are many ) are excited for Hawke to return and possible also the Warden (fingers crossed)
the same old blah from you?? You really don't like Hawke ( for very bad reasons, he didn't save the world so he is a "failure" as you said in a post)
and you don't want the Warden to return because it would destroy your precious headcanon
the question is what are you still doing in this thread? the people on here (and there are many ) are excited for Hawke to return and possible also the Warden (fingers crossed)
I see we become little angry aren't we? Well lets start massacre.
First No i don't like hawke as protagonist and no twisting statements i made to make them sound stupid don't make you sound better more desperate so no i didn't said he was failure because he didn't save the world simple because he failed at almost every major goal he had period.
Second no dialogues and in-game choices aren't headcanon i suggests to search for what headcanon means before you start using it...
I see you can't stand me here well im not going anywhere simple because you don't want me here...
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
I see we become little angry aren't we? Well lets start massacre.
First No i don't like hawke as protagonist and no twisting statements i made to make them sound stupid don't make you sound better more desperate so no i didn't said he was failure because he didn't save the world simple because he failed at almost every major goal he had period.
Second no dialogues and in-game choices aren't headcanon i suggests to search for what headcanon means before you start using it...
I see you can't stand me here well im not going anywhere simple because you don't want me here...
How the hell did he fail at every major goal? He saved Kirkwall numerous times and that was basically like The Warden saving
Ferelden sure his major goal was on a smaller scale but he still didn't fail
How the hell did he fail at every major goal? He saved Kirkwall numerous times and that was basically like The Warden saving
Ferelden sure his major goal was on a smaller scale but he still didn't fail
His goal was to protect his family he failed. his goal was to stop tensions with qunari he failed , his goal was to stop tensions between mages and templars he failed , if his goal was to protect mages he failed.He let corry escape so he failed in stoping big bad from dlc.Then he let go qunari agent with list of qunari spies...
Pretty much every act outside first and his goal leads to failure regardless player choices. Only main goal in that hawke was successful was getting rich.
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
His goal was to protect his family he failed. his goal was to stop tensions with qunari he failed , his goal was to stop tensions between mages and templars he failed , if his goal was to protect mages he failed.He let corry escape so he failed in stoping big bad from dlc.Then he let go qunari agent with list of qunari spies...
Pretty much every act outside first and his goal leads to failure regardless player choices. Only main goal in that hawke was successful was getting rich.
nope still don't agree most of the things you listed weren't even his fault they just happened
its like saying that the human noble failed because he didn't save his parents and didn't protect his home, or that he failed at the battle of ostagar
Hawke's primary goal (especially from Act 2 onwards) is to protect Kirkwall and he did just that he solved the conflict with the Qunari by defeating the Arishok( if it weren't for him the Qunari would have probably invaded even more cities to look for that book) he settled the Mage-Templar conflict by supporting one of the groups (templars in my playthrough)
He then became the viscomt of that city he saved many times (a good ending in my opinion)
sure anders actions were the catalyst of a bigger war BUT they didn't know that at the moment
just because the player didn't have more input in the story (which is a shame I agree) doesn't mean that Hawke failed
nope still don't agree most of the things you listed weren't even his fault they just happened
its like saying that the human noble failed because he didn't save his parents and didn't protect his home, or that he failed at the battle of ostagar
Hawke's primary goal (especially from Act 2 onwards) is to protect Kirkwall and he did just that he solved the conflict with the Qunari by defeating the Arishok( if it weren't for him the Qunari would have probably invaded even more cities to look for that book) he settled the Mage-Templar conflict by supporting one of the groups (templars in my playthrough)
He then became the viscomt of that city he saved many times (a good ending in my opinion)
sure anders actions were the catalyst of a bigger war BUT they didn't know that at the moment
just because the player didn't have more input in the story (which is a shame I agree) doesn't mean that Hawke failed
He failed as i said like it or not he failed entire act 2 you spend to prevent conflict with qunari you fail then entire act 3 you spend to prevent conflict with mages and templars you fail allso as i said he failed at trying to protect his family as i said.And yes many of those thing could be under his/her control if he only could think as person with at least averge iq.
That were origins and beginning of the game no one blames hawke for prologue at least i don't i blame him for entire game of failures.
@John and Komander Shepard
I think there is a clash of perspective of what the definition of failure for Hawke is. Is it preventing conflict from turning into chaos (as Komander seems to define it) or stopping bad guys from destroying Kirkwall when they attack (as John seems to define it)?
At this point neither of you are going to convince the other so just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
@John and Komander Shepard
I think there is a clash of perspective of what the definition of failure for Hawke is. Is it preventing conflict from ever happening (as Komander seems to define it) or stopping bad guys from destroying Kirkwall (as John seems to define it)?
At this point neither of you are going to convince the other so just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Considering that main quests were about preventing conflict and hawke failed at it well... 
I see we become little angry aren't we? Well lets start massacre.
First No i don't like hawke as protagonist and no twisting statements i made to make them sound stupid don't make you sound better more desperate so no i didn't said he was failure because he didn't save the world simple because he failed at almost every major goal he had period.
Second no dialogues and in-game choices aren't headcanon i suggests to search for what headcanon means before you start using it...
I see you can't stand me here well im not going anywhere simple because you don't want me here...
Reading your posts gives me a headache.
Reading your posts gives me a headache.
No one forces you to read you know?
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
Considering that main quests were about preventing conflict and hawke failed at it well...
you have your opinion and I have mine so like @ SgtSteel91 said let'S leave it at that
just don't act like your opinion is fact
you have your opinion and I have mine so like @ SgtSteel91 said let'S leave it at that
just don't act like your opinion is fact
Well it is fact i explained why above including many examples.
Hawke failed against the Qunari? Hawke kept them placated for far longer than anyone could have imagined or even expected. It was the the act of a Rogue Mother, whom Hawke had no way of controlling, that resulted in the Qunari finally snapping. Hawke manages to fix that situation by fighting off the Qunari's forces and stopping the Arishok from tearing Kirkwall apart which is what the Arishok wanted to do. Furthermore, it wasn't Hawke's duty, as Hawke was only some Noble at that point, to deal with the Qunari but Hawke did anyway which other characters make note that Hawke gets involved in life and death situations for others, and the good of Kirkwall, even when Hawke didn't have to.
Hawke also puts a stop to the murders and kidnappings. Sure, Hawke lost his/her mother in the ordeal but the fact is that the murderer is no longer a threat to Kirkwall because of Hawke.
If Hawke sides with the Mages it does leave Kirkwall in a mess, as the Templars would take direct control, but if Hawke sides with Kirkwall they can finally set out and do what's best for Kirkwall without red tape and actually deal with those like a Rogue Mother before they cause all heck.
Well it is fact i explained why above including many examples.
But you're ignoring certain circumstances, which makes The Warden look better than Hawke. i.e. Knowledge that the characters possess
Regardless, let's talk about something else. This is boiling down to nothing but a pissing match.
So, any news on who that Grey Warden with Hawke and the Inquisitor is yet?
He failed against the Qunari? Hawke kept them placated for far longer than anyone could have imagined or even expected. It was the the act of a Rogue Mother, whom Hawke had no way of controlling, that resulted in the Qunari finally snapping. Hawke manages to fix that situation by fighting off the Qunari's forces and stopping the Arishok from tearing Kirkwall apart which is what the Arishok wanted to do.
Given the Arishok is the military leader of the Qunari, I fully believe stopping him might have staved off an invasion of Thedas.
After all, that was a way for the Arishok to get out of his problem.
If he couldn't find the book a normal way, he could conquer the lands and tear them apart.
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
Well it is fact i explained why above including many examples.
there is just no point in arguing with you I'm just glad that other people see it too
your arrogance is unbearable well I'm out
Given the Arishok is the military leader of the Qunari, I fully believe stopping him might have staved off an invasion of Thedas.
After all, that was a way for the Arishok to get out of his problem.
If he couldn't find the book a normal way, he could conquer the lands and tear them apart.
Hawke stopping the Arishok also delays a Holy War between the Qun and the Chantry as both sides are looking for an excuse to purge the other and look right for doing it thus gaining the support of Kingdoms/Cities/Peoples for their cause. If Hawke wasn't there and the Arishok torched Kirkwall you can bet that the Chantry, and the Templars, would have demanded a Holy War and call for a March against the Qun itself.
Hawke stopping the Arishok also delays a Holy War between the Qun and the Chantry as both sides are looking for an excuse to purge the other and look right for doing it thus gaining the support of Kingdoms/Cities/Peoples for their cause. If Hawke wasn't there and the Arishok torched Kirkwall you can bet that the Chantry, and the Templars, would have demanded a Holy War and call for a March against the Qun itself.
Pretty much, yeah.
It's probably Hawke's biggest accomplishment. Not for Kirkwall but for the whole world.
He just nipped it in the bud before it got into a massive ****storm.
could somebody please answer my question?Right this is really winding me up now, do we know yet how we're going to get our character appearances into 'Inquisition' yet?
could somebody please answer my question?
Sorry, but there's no new information.
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
could somebody please answer my question?
we know that the Keep won'T have a CC so that means we will get the option to customize Hawke (again) during the game
and I would ok with that
Having to let Tallis go with the list, did royally ****** me off...
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