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#701
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It was the other way around. She wanted qunari to kill Hawke and use that as excuse to provoke people into rebelion against qunari. But she failed cause Hawke obviously survived. Even more. If after whole that mess you went to Arishok and told him about it you actually could gain his respect. You had even option to tell Arishok about Petrice involvement and he didn't care about it. 

 

Like I just said she failed to get Hawke killed and rebelion started in first act. That's quite some time before the end of second one. If that's not delaying conflict idk what that is lol.

 

You do know that if you have high enough freindship with her, and you let her go with the tome she actually comes back with it and gives it back to the Arishok? She is reliable and loyal if she has good reason for that.

 

You completely ignore things like poisonous gas situation. It was caused by people who were pissed at qunari, cause their family/important freinds/whoever decided to join the qun. Many people disliked qunari in general, best example being Viscount himself. Why he did not like the idea of his son hanging out with qunari so much? Like I said, surerly Petrice messed a lot as, but it's not like she was the only cause of conflict. Even when she killed Saemus at the same time Arishok was as well pissed cause city guards were trying to make him extradite some qun converted criminals. He also was generally disgusted by Kirkwall's corruption and started his attack also to correct it by force and bring order dictated by qun. 

 

I will not even comment idol thing cause it's like blaming Hawke for not being able to predict future. But hey maybe blame Varric? He made Hawke into getting money in the first place.

I know you can told him passive was passive for most time that was just one of actions that provoked him either way petrice got his way placing another brick.And who would help her not to mention who would deal with group of bandits in the sewers and survive.

 

Yes after she betrays you and let city burn then she came back and only because you had maxed approval. And yes she have very good reason to not escape with tome ups she did... :lol:

 

Pretty much he said that kirkwall is corrupted after petrice made hawke kill his peoples , then petrice group kidnaps qunari and kill them and then kills convert pretty most of actions was from her and only 1 group that went after qunari were insane elves.

 

I don't blame hawke but he had major role in helping bartrand even bigger than varric but yes varric had role in it as well so his action lead to disaster (1 of many) and later problems in third act.

 

 

 

Petrice and Kelder are nowhere near similar. Hawke doesn't have to be a pacifist to not decide murder is the best solution for everything.

 

So the Tevinter and Qunari didn't attack Hawke at all?

 

Then I don't get why you're brining it up? The expedition proves nothing for either argument.

 

I wasn't saying Hawke didn't need saving by Hawke. I'm not saying Hawke is more competent. I think both are equally awesome.

 

Ok, some circumstances were on The Wardens side. They were privy to the info needed to get the job done. Hawke wasn't.

 

And yet in that situation it would be .Yes if you mention that kelder was nowhere smiliar as you kill him with public knowing that and he had powerful father.

 

Hawke intervened in the fight hawke wasn't their goal...

 

It was toward topic that it was hakwe who lead to problems in third act... not about failure...

It is your opinion so well...

 

No at all warden needed were treaties that he got himself and flemeth help pretty much same was with hawke he could prevent disaster he was just an idiot that took bad choices.Pretty much best shown in mota... or simple some actions backfired and lead to tragedy as i mentioned about idol.



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Hawk didn't go to the Deep Roads to help Varric's brother, he/she went there to gain a fortune and restore the Amell's nobility with said fortune for his/her family. None of them knew what was even down there, so blaming Hawke over the idol and what Varric's brother did, after he betrayed Varric and Hawke, is completely off base. 



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Let's see she manipulated him in fist act into provoking qunari and then she was leader of the cult that caused battle and hawke did jack s*** when it came into light if he could killed her and yet he didn't.Yes you mean like he didn't kill 125412 peoples before game ends including mercenaries just to enter the warehouse...

She tells hawke what relict is and what she did then we have fight scene in warehouse if i renember qunari attack tevinter mages and guy with tome escapes and isabela go after him instead going after her hawke is like "meh lets fight" then "oh she scaped didn't see that coming". Bartrand didn't had money hawke gave him 50 sovereigns and he couldn't find money then on deep roads hawke pushed forward expedition when it stopped.

And what the heck riordan helping the warden have to do with that hawke failed or caused a lot of mess? You are stretching as hell i don't blame hawke because varric was helping him...

 

 

As above same questions.

 

It could and by conflict i mean battle in the end of second act but no conflict wasn't in moment isabela stole the book conflict started when petrice group was provoking qunari.Not rly Petrice was head and face of anti-qunari group pretty much most likely she united them not mention she was using templars to do so. Not rly hawke didn't delayed anything pretty much petrice was always step ahead hawke and got her way could be prevented if hawke do one of things i have said.

 

 

Eee no? He had 2 opportunities to kill her without anyone knowing that it was him... Not to mention that that f*** qunari shoot her in the middle of the chantry and got away with it...

 

Read above.

 

Nope istead he started fight that went after her what a suprise that she escaped when he didn't went after her immediately... and yes isabela is reliable as jack sparrow...

 

I wouldn't matter as i said meredith would take care of everything. :whistle:

Err... Yes. Hawke was a peasant, she was a Sister of a religious Order. Hawke also couldn't have foreseen her becoming the threat she later became as Hawke has seen many fanatics at that point and most did nothing of note outside say crazy things. Hawke murdering Sister Petrice also would have doomed the Amell family in Kirkwall because he's some peasant, they would hunt him/her down and either kill or lock him/her up for the rest of their life.

 

That was AFTER MOTHER Petrice was revealed to the Grand Cleric, furthermore Hawke STILL had no grounds to kill Petrice as he/she is only some Noble and was going to let the CHantry sort out their own as that was in the best interest of everyone - Kirkwall included. The Grand Cleric overlooked the death of Petrice when the Qunari kill her because she was already going to kick Petrice out of the Order and she didn't want to fan the flames of war.

 

Besides, when you confront Petrice in the Chantry it's already too late as the Viscount's son is dead at that point. So once again, you're blaming Hawke without merit.

 

Hawke didn't start that fight when Isabela ran. Maybe you should watch the cutscene again. Hawke was dragged into the fight between the Qunari and the Tevinter Mages. Furthermore Isabela was reliable as she still traveled with you throughout the game and helped you out when you needed her. Hawke had no reason to believe that Isabela, who was always there if they needed a hand, would abandon him/her after Isabela possibly gives her word that she'll hand the book over.



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Err... Yes. Hawke was a peasant, she was a Sister of a religious Order. Hawke also couldn't have foreseen her becoming the threat she later became as Hawke as seen many fanatics at that point and most did nothing of note outside say crazy things. 

 

That was AFTER MOTHER Petrice was revealed to the Grand Cleric, furthermore Hawke STILL had no grounds to kill Petrice as he/she is only some Noble and was going to let the CHantry sort out their own as that was in the best interest of everyone - Kirkwall included. The Grand Cleric overlooked the death of Petrice when the Qunari kill her because she was already going to kick Petrice out of the Order and she didn't want to fan the flames of war.

 

Besides, when you confront Petrice in the Chantry it's already too late as the Viscount's son is dead at that point. So once again, you're blaming Hawke without merit.

So what is that hawke's kryptonite or something? Yes becuase lady that try cause conflict between qunari and kirkwall and tried someone to made you killed is totally safe person who would know that she will cause conflict with qunari go figure. :lol:

 

Yes because if hawke killed her in the sewers along with her peoples maker would come and tell chantry that hawke killed her. :lol: 

 

No i don't blamke hawke without merit he could as i said he had 2 opportunities to kill her he didn't and where it lead we know...



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Sighs, still at warden vs Hawke debate i see.....



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Sighs, still at warden vs Hawke debate i see.....

It isn't warden vs hawke debate it is debate about hawke i try separate warden from debate but peoples for some reason bring him despite disscusion being about hawke. :blink:



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So what is that hawke's kryptonite or something? Yes becuase lady that try cause conflict between qunari and kirkwall and tried someone to made you killed is totally safe person who would know that she will cause conflict with qunari go figure. :lol:

 

Yes because if hawke killed her in the sewers along with her peoples maker would come and tell chantry that hawke killed her. :lol:

 

No i don't blamke hawke without merit he could as i said he had 2 opportunities to kill her he didn't and where it lead we know...

Hawke isn't a crazy mad(wo)man nor is Hawke a mind reader or a seer that can look into the future.

 

Petrice wasn't the only one there that wanted the Qunari out, the Viscount outright tells you that there are MANY anti-Qunari supports, some being very powerful Nobles, and that the people are scared of the Qunari even though the Qunari do and ask for nothing. Please pay attention next time instead of throwing false accusations at Hawke. Hawke also can bring Petrice up to the Viscount AND the Arishok, neither does anything to stop Petrice.

 

They would know if Petrice died to Hawke in Act 1 as Petrice was NEVER working alone and had many supporters from the common people, Chantry members, the Templars, and Nobles. Killing Petrice, after Petrice destroyed all evidence, would doom the Amell family and possibly get Hawke killed or locked up forever.

 

Yes, you really don't as you lack any merit here as nothing you have against Hawke is even Hawke's fault.



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Hawke isn't a crazy mad(wo)man nor is Hawke a mind reader or a seer that can look into the future.

 

Petrice wasn't the only one there that wanted the Qunari out, the Viscount outright tells you that there are MANY anti-Qunari supports, some being very powerful Nobles, and that the people are scared of the Qunari even though the Qunari do and ask for nothing. Please pay attention next time instead of throwing false accusations at Hawke. Hawke also can bring Petrice up to the Viscount AND the Arishok, neither does anything to stop Petrice.

 

They would know if Petrice died to Hawke in Act 1 as Petrice was NEVER working alone and had many supporters from the common people, Chantry members, the Templars, and Nobles. Killing Petrice, after Petrice destroyed all evidence, would doom the Amell family and possibly get Hawke killed or locked up forever.

 

Yes you really do as nothing you have against Hawke is even Hawke's fault.

Yes petrice just tried to lead to their death "but no she is nice person" kill son of magistrate or orlesian duke sure why not... even hawke can said "i should kill you" but same as with talis pure idiocy.

 

So what she was dangerous and lead major anti-qunari force that hawke had to deal with not mention as i said she wanted kill or rather lead to his dead.So no it is still stupid she united anti-qunari and was their brain so no...

 

Yes because they are omniscient and can see what happens at night in abandoned house now you are creating conspiracy theories just to protect hawke there is nothing absolutely nothing that suggest that... besides that she wasn't even waiting for hawke so even if she said someone they wouldn't even know who killed her...  



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Petrice wasn't the only one there that wanted the Qunari out, the Viscount outright tells you that there are MANY anti-Qunari supports, some being very powerful Nobles, and that the people are scared of the Qunari even though the Qunari do and ask for nothing. Please pay attention next time instead of throwing false accusations at Hawke. Hawke also can bring Petrice up to the Viscount AND the Arishok, neither does anything to stop Petrice.

 

They would know, Petrice was NEVER working alone and had many supporters from the common people, Chantry members, the Templars, and Nobles. If she died they would soon find out that Hawke killed her if Hawke did indeed kill her at that point.

 

Best example being Ser Varnell. If Petrice would die I suppose he would be the one to take her place. He was the one standing behind torturing and killing qunari prisoners in offered and lost quest.

 

Also. Intresting thing is you can actually choose to support Petrice and be part of anti qunari side. Then Petrice doesn't end up dead, but is kicked from the chantry by Elthina. I think that's the only path in which Hawke was indeed to blame for making conflict worse.



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Best example being Ser Varnell. If Petrice would die I suppose he would be the one to take her place. He was the one standing behind torturing and killing qunari prisoners in offered and lost quest.

 

Also. Intresting thing is you can actually choose to support Petrice and be part of anti qunari side. Then Petrice doesn't end up dead, but is kicked from the chantry by Elthina. I think that's the only path in which Hawke was indeed to blame for making conflict worse.

You know that he was with petrice so if hawke killed her he would kill him as well hell he/she even kills him in sewers after petrice involvement with them came up to the light and hawke had second opportunity to kill her.



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Yes petrice just tried to lead to their death "but no she is nice person" kill son of magistrate or orlesian duke sure why not... even hawke can said "i should kill you" but same as with talis pure idiocy.

 

So what she was dangerous and lead major anti-qunari force that hawke had to deal with not mention as i said she wanted kill or rather lead to his dead.So no it is still stupid she united anti-qunari and was their brain so no...

 

Yes because they are omniscient and can see what happens at night in abandoned house now you are creating conspiracy theories just to protect hawke there is nothing absolutely nothing that suggest that... besides that she wasn't even waiting for hawke so even if she said someone they wouldn't even know who killed her...  

No one said she was a nice person, Hawke and his/her companions are angry at Petrice but they all know that killing her there would be suicide and would make her into a martyr as she destroyed all evidence.

 

She's only one of many, furthermore when you meet her again there's no evidence tying her into anything. Hawke even mentions that Petrice covered her tracks when the Viscount asks for proof or something and Hawke has nothing that would stand in court. So no, it isn't stupid. You're metagaming and using  knowledge that Hawke lacks and had no way of knowing at the time.

 

Petrice wasn't working alone, her followers KNEW what she was doing and where she went. Furthermore if a very vocal Sister like Petrice vanished it would cause chaos in the City and would rally her followers to blame the Qun, as well as Hawke when they find out, thus causing the Qunari to Attack in Act 1. If they attacked then, when Hawke was still fresh in the City, than NO ONE would have been able to stop the Arishok from destroying Kirkwall completely and starting a Holy War.


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No one said she was a nice person, Hawke and his/her companions are angry at Petrice but they all know that killing her there would be suicide and would make her into a martyr as she destroyed all evidence.

 

She's only one of many, furthermore when you meet her again there's no evidence tying her into anything. Hawke even mentions that Petrice covered her tracks when the Viscount asks for proof or something and Hawke has nothing that would stand in court. So no, it isn't stupid. You're metagamingand using  knowledge that Hawke lacks and had no way of knowing at the time.

 

Petrice wasn't working alone, her followers KNOW what she was doing and where she went. Furthermore a Sister vanished would cause chaos in the City and would rally her followers to blame the Qun, as well as Hawke when they find out, thus causing the Qunari to Attack in Act 1. If they attacked than, when Hawke was still fresh in the City, than NO ONE would have been able to stop the Arishok.

And again martyr for what she was killed in lowtown at night in an abandoned house by unknown individuals.

 

She united anti-qunari under her command and was their brain creating own little "cult" named "kill them for the maker" not to mention she was as i damn told cause war and almost with hawke help succeed.Dude what you are talking about what court why the heck hawke would go to the court if he killed her why hawke would admit s/he killed petrice when none would know about that...

 

Ok let's try to be logical and very very simple because well im rly tired tried to be logical.How the heck her follower would know that hawke killed her if there wasn't any witness and she wasn't waiting for hawke when he was just random guy that she meet when she needed random mercenary not mention that as i said there is nothing that suggest in game.

 

Stop arishok from what?



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I'm starting to hope that That Warden from the trailer is in fact a stand in for Hawkes LI.

Omg I somehow did not notice that post earlier, between all the others.

That would be totally awsome! Now I will hope so as well. :P

 

My ideal situation is The Warden walking into Skyhold, Leliana squees adorably, they kiss, everyone else in the room gets uncomfortable, Warden takes Leliana by the hand a commandeers The Inquisitors bedroom locking them out.

Sounds legit, ha ha. 

 

I would love to see my warden queen married to Alistair. 

In general I just hope cameos will be better than in DAII (Alistair calling my queen ball and chain - please no more). Well... At least we can be sure that choices will be set right thanks to Dragon Age Keep. So things like Zevran not mentioning warden at all should not happen.



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And again martyr for what she was killed in lowtown at night in an abandoned house by unknown individuals.

 

She united anti-qunari under her command and was their brain creating own little "cult" named "kill them for the maker" not to mention she was as i damn told cause war and almost with hawke help succeed.Dude what you are talking about what court why the heck hawke would go to the court if he killed her why hawke would admit s/he killed petrice when none would know about that...

 

Ok let's try to be logical and very very simple because well im rly tired tried to be logical.How the heck her follower would know that hawke killed her if there wasn't any witness and she wasn't waiting for hawke when he was just random guy that she meet when she needed random mercenary not mention that as i said there is nothing that suggest in game.

 

Stop arishok from what?

Her supporters would say she was killed by Qunari followers and even gain Mage aid as they could reveal that she was trying to save a Mage from the Qunari oppression. Furthermore, what part are you missing here? Her people are FANATICS and they knew what she was doing and aren't above twisting the truth to sell the image they want. Since the Chantry is FAR more popular in Kirkwall than the Qun it wouldn't be hard for her supports to use her as a rallying cry against the Qunari which in turn causes the Arishok to attack earlier but without Hawke there to stop him.

 

Hawke would go to court as they would spare no expense investigating her death and it's doubtful that Petrice wouldn't inform her supports who she hired. If Hawke is running about but Petrice is "missing" they wouldn't need much convincing to rally everyone against a no name like Hawke. The Viscount would naturally try to appease the fanatics thus he would hand over Hawke, a mere peasant, over as he loses nothing for doing that as Hawke is a nobody at that point.

 

Logical? You're blaming things on Hawke that are outside Hawke's control or Hawke had no way of knowing. How is that logical? You also fail to grasp that Petrice is only one of MANY and that one of the POWERFUL Nobles would use her name to push their Anti-Qunari Agenda if she was killed by Hawke.



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Her supporters would say she was killed by Qunari followers and even gain Mage aid as they could reveal that she was trying to save a Mage from the Qunari oppression. Furthermore, what part are you missing here? Her people are FANATICS and they knew what she was doing and aren't above twisting the truth to sell the image they want. Since the Chantry is FAR more popular in Kirkwall than the Qun it wouldn't be hard for her supports to use her as a rallying cry against the Qunari which in turn causes the Arishok to attack earlier but without Hawke there to stop him.

 

Hawke would go to court as they would spare no expense investigating her death and it's doubtful that Petrice wouldn't inform her supports who she hired. If Hawke is running about but Petrice is "missing" they wouldn't need much convincing to rally everyone against a no name like Hawke. The Viscount would naturally try to appease the fanatics thus he would hand over Hawke, a mere peasant, over as he loses nothing for doing that as Hawke is a nobody at that point.

 

Logical? You're blaming things on Hawke that are outside Hawke's control or Hawke had no way of knowing. How is that logical? You also fail to grasp that Petrice is only one of MANY and that one of the POWERFUL Nobles would use her name to push their Anti-Qunari Agenda if she was killed by Hawke.

 

And how the hell they would tell she was killed by qunari not to mention that very early when qunari came to kirkwall she wanted to keep it quiet because fact that she had qunari mage would be controversial and would put petrice in position of blame so well her being killed well would end poorly for her...

 

If hawke was an idiot what was in case it would be truth as i said it wasn't hawke for her it was random guy that she needed besides as i said there is absolutly no evidence in what you are saying besides conspiracy theories where hawke kills chantry sister and then go to someone and admits it... 

 

Yes because hawke didn't know that petrice wanted cause war with qunari ups he know... so no hawke don't spare quentin or any other murderer or blood mage because they are one of many...

 

I give up this is my lost post for you because you simple ignore logic and all you bring is consipracy theories without any support in games...



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I'm just going to say I disagree with you and leave it at that.

So anyway, how would you prefer The Warden and Hawke were handle in Inquisition.



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I'm just going to say I disagree with you and leave it at that.

So anyway, how would you prefer The Warden and Hawke were handle in Inquisition.

If you say so.

 

I would prefer to not bring them back but they decided with hawke already but most hopes they won't bring the warden as simple warden unlike hawke was clear character in terms of personality. With warden i would simple involve rumors what they may doing few different so you can tell if it is true or not and by that it won't contradict with that what you have chocse them doing and some references to their choices like redcliff perhaps.



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And how the hell they would tell she was killed by qunari not to mention that very early when qunari came to kirkwall she wanted to keep it quiet because fact that she had qunari mage would be controversial and would put petrice in position of blame so well her being killed well would end poorly for her...

 

If hawke was an idiot what was in case it would be truth as i said it wasn't hawke for her it was random guy that she needed besides as i said there is absolutly no evidence in what you are saying besides conspiracy theories where hawke kills chantry sister and then go to someone and admits it... 

 

Yes because hawke didn't know that petrice wanted cause war with qunari ups he know... so no hawke don't spare quentin or any other murderer or blood mage because they are one of many...

 

I give up this is my lost post for you because you simple ignore logic and all you bring is consipracy theories without any support in games...

Simple, they know she was involved with a Qunari Mage of sorts and that the Qunari are hunting that escaped Mage. Furthermore there are dead Qunari, no matter how you look at it, and the Mage ends up end. Petrice cannot use that without tying herself to it but if she's dead her supports and fellow fanatics would tie it to her to further their Anti-Qunari cause by stating thta the Qunari hunted Sister Petrice down and also killed a Templar.

 

Hawke isn't an idiot, please refrain from being so emotional and bashing a character so religiously as you've done since you came to this topic. There's no calls for such comments,

 

There's plenty of evidence, I literally mentioned things from the game itself. Things you've ignored.

 

The only one that's ignoring logic here is you, you aren't even reading my posts as I've given you the evidence that supports what I'm saying while you've done nothing to provide support for what you're saying. Which really isn't much considering that you've been proven wrong, by multiple users already, when you wrongly tried to blame the idol and the Arishok on Hawke.



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Oh... So Warden's look does matter then. Sounds almost like confirming he/she will indeed show up in the actual game to me. :P



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They are talking about picture of the warden in keep.



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Simple, they know she was involved with a Qunari Mage of sorts and that the Qunari are hunting that escaped Mage. Furthermore there are dead Qunari, no matter how you look at it, and the Mage ends up end. Petrice cannot use that without tying herself to it but if she's dead her supports and fellow fanatics would tie it to her to further their Anti-Qunari cause by stating thta the Qunari hunted Sister Petrice down and also killed a Templar.

 

Hawke isn't an idiot, please refrain from being so emotional and bashing a character so religiously as you've done since you came to this topic. There's no calls for such comments,

 

There's plenty of evidence, I literally mentioned things from the game itself. Things you've ignored.

 

The only one that's ignoring logic here is you, you aren't even reading my posts as I've given you the evidence that supports what I'm saying while you've done nothing to provide support for what you're saying. Which really isn't much considering that you've been proven wrong, by multiple users already, when you wrongly tried to blame the idol and the Arishok on Hawke.

I already tried discussing with that dude as did others (some like you went even into more detail and explained the evidence better)

but this guy won't back down trust me too arrogant and too much pride there

poor lad thinks his opinion is a fact



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I already tried discussing with that dude as did others (some like you went even into more detail and explained the evidence better)

but this guy won't back down trust me too arrogant and too much pride there

poor lad thinks his opinion is a fact

Hah i already explained that to you my opinion is that hawke is failure that is an opinion that he failed at certain task this is not opinion this is a fact.So no im not too arogant.Besides guy didn't provided any evidence guy claim that petrice informed others about hawke despite she even didn't know who it is and then was calaming that he gave me an evidence of petrice doing that despite there was no such thing in the game...



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I already tried discussing with that dude as did others (some like you went even into more detail and explained the evidence better)but this guy won't back down trust me too arrogant and too much pride therepoor lad thinks his opinion is a fact

opinion or not let the gent voice his interpetation of the situation.

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Let's just forget about it. It's going nowhere and there are other things to talk about that won't stress everybody out.