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[MisterJB]

 

Why aren't we gushing over this, people?

[Angloassassin]

I've not been up to date until this last week, and I've been Binge-drinking all the info I could get. I just posted a "Keep Reveal" video here, that basically shows how the keep works, and they show off that you can import your Warden/Hawke from your games. Including their appearances and their choices.  

[DisturbedJim83]

You mean guy who was puppet was successful from what i renember guy had 2 occasions to kill petrice s/he let her go do her thing what lead to conflict with qunari not to mention that hawke even helped her in doing that.Pretty much all he did was killing arishok what meredith could do herself not to mention that he was one who brougt idol from deep roads.But i can pretty much start point how hawke lead to that entire mess in first place but it would be long list.

 

 

Of course he could he could do many things he could stop isabela and deliver tom to arishok he failed at it , he could kill petrice and had opportunities to do that.And as i said above there are a many things he could do to prevent or at least delay so situation could be solved.That hawke is a failure is my personal opinion that he failed at something isn't...

 

Really? where was the "forcibly grab the tome of Koslun from Isabella option" FYI there was not one neither was there a "kill Petrice in Act 1" option,the short of it is you have no "facts" all you have is pure speculative opinion with some "anti Hawke" bias.It would not be a stretch to assume that your one of those people with really poor self esteem that gets mad everytime a game or book doesn't "massage" your ego and your just mad at Hawke because the writing did not allow ou to fulfill your " I am god nothing can stop me" complex.

 

Come back when you have some actual facts instead of nonsense.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Really? where was the "forcibly grab the tome of Koslun from Isabella option" FYI there was not one neither was there a "kill Petrice in Act 1" option,the short of it is you have no "facts" all you have is pure speculative opinion with some "anti Hawke" bias.It would not be a stretch to assume that your one of those people with really poor self esteem that gets mad everytime a game or book doesn't "massage" your ego and your just mad at Hawke because the writing did not allow ou to fulfill your " I am god nothing can stop me" complex.

 

Come back when you have some actual facts instead of nonsense.

I explained that already if you want protect hawke stupidity and option to not going after isabela as smart (as it turned well as we know) it is your call it would be not streach to say even after avatar who may be biased here.Sorry that i have desire rp as smart character or at least not retarded that don't stand like moron watching as person that they said will kill 1 second before slowly walks away thank you.... 

[Jwlpo]

So I wonder how our previous Hero's will make an appearance.
Big boss fight?
Some type of meeting?

Any thoughts?

[TheKomandorShepard]

still here you are defending your stupid claims that Hawke is a failure and that its a fact damm man

various people have discussed this with you and showed you that you are wrong multiple times already but you just won't accept it eh?
and then claiming that others are biased jesus
 

Oh yes that peoples that couldn't tell difference between word blame and failure despite me trying explain difference multiple times until i posted very simplistic example to you... im sure their opinion is very valuable... but sadly im not concerned with that.

So no you didn't showed me wrong...

Besides you don't even know what im saying as your first sentence shows that i will quote "that Hawke is a failure and that its a fact damm man"

[MisterJB]

But...the problem is exactly that there werne't options for Hawke to do things like preventing Tallis from just running off with the list hence the point that Hawke is innefectual.

[DisturbedJim83]

But...the problem is exactly that there werne't options for Hawke to do things like preventing Tallis from just running off with the list hence the point that Hawke is innefectual.

At best its bad writing its does not make Hawke a "failure" as some claim,if we were to apply TheKommanderSheppard's criteria to The Warden then they are just as much a failure in the case of the Human Noble Warden he fails to save his mother and father,fails to stop his family home from being overrun by Howe's men,fails to win the Battle of Ostagar,fails to save Duncan and Cailan,fails to stop the blight before most of Ferelden is ruined and by the time he reaches Denerim the City is in ruins and that was with a massive army at his disposal obtained via treaties.

 

Fact is TheKommanderSheppard has double standards,its ok for The Warden to "fail" to prevent things beyond their control in fact its just dismissed because its "The Warden" but then Hawke who fails to stop things beyond their control is deemed an "utter failure".He/She deems Hawke a failure for not allowing him to live out his "god complex" however "The Warden" gets a pass for allowing to live out his "God Complex".

 

Anyways he cant even string together a sentance in coherent English and has no facts to back up his/her position so we're done here.

[TheKomandorShepard]

At best its bad writing its does not make Hawke a "failure" as some claim,if we were to apply TheKommanderSheppard's criteria to The Warden then they are just as much a failure in the case of the Human Noble Warden he fails to save his mother and father,fails to stop his family home from being overrun by Howe's men,fails to win the Battle of Ostagar,fails to save Duncan and Cailan,fails to stop the blight before most of Ferelden is ruined and by the time he reaches Denerim the City is in ruins and that was with a massive army at his disposal obtained via treaties.

 

Fact is TheKommanderSheppard has double standards,its ok for The Warden to "fail" to prevent things beyond their control in fact its just dismissed because its "The Warden" but then Hawke who fails to stop things beyond their control is deemed an "utter failure".He/She deems Hawke a failure for not allowing him to live out his "god complex" however "The Warden" gets a pass for allowing to live out his "God Complex".

 

Anyways he cant even string together a sentance in coherent English and has no facts to back up his/her position so we're done here.

Ahh this is when you jump in topic with tears in eyes and rage with attitude "he insulted hawke! destroy him " then making 200 own conclusions what other person said i won't even comment considering most of your post isn't something i said only something you made up in your rage,  

[DisturbedJim83]

Ahh this is when you jump in topic with tears in eyes and rage with attitude "he insulted hawke! destroy him " then making 200 own conclusions what other person said i won't even comment considering most of your post isn't something i said only something you made up in your rage,

Well when you get some actual facts to back up your position instead of the double standard Warden fanboy bias all your posts amount to I'll listen until then................

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well when you get some actual facts to back up your position instead of the double standard Warden fanboy bias all your posts amount to I'll listen until then................

haha dude you are hawke fanboy and i will explain 1 reason why because it wasn't warden vs hawke debate it was debate about hawke and hawke only some peoples tried turn that into hawke vs warden but it wasn't my point... if you bothered to read what i wrote many times you would know that but isntead you saw that i criticized hawke went into rage and tried put me in bad light with something that i didn't even said... there also alot other reasons but here have most brutal one...

[MisterJB]

At best its bad writing its does not make Hawke a "failure" as some claim,if we were to apply TheKommanderSheppard's criteria to The Warden then they are just as much a failure in the case of the Human Noble Warden he fails to save his mother and father,fails to stop his family home from being overrun by Howe's men,fails to win the Battle of Ostagar,fails to save Duncan and Cailan,fails to stop the blight before most of Ferelden is ruined and by the time he reaches Denerim the City is in ruins and that was with a massive army at his disposal obtained via treaties.

 

Fact is TheKommanderSheppard has double standards,its ok for The Warden to "fail" to prevent things beyond their control in fact its just dismissed because its "The Warden" but then Hawke who fails to stop things beyond their control is deemed an "utter failure".He/She deems Hawke a failure for not allowing him to live out his "god complex" however "The Warden" gets a pass for allowing to live out his "God Complex".

I haven't been reading TKS' posts, I'm just going by yours and I saw your examples such as "not being able to prevent Isabela" or "not killing Petrice in Act 1"

Now, Isabela, there really wasn't that much of a choice, she runs while there are Tevinters and qunari trying to kill you.

However, there is a difference between having Talis or Petrice in front of you with barely any means to defend themselves and Hawke failing to do anything or watching Anders, who was clearly unstable, slid further down into obssession for nearly ten years and still doing nothing to stop him and the Human Noble Warden failing to save his castle from an army that attacked by surprised while the Cousland's army was away.

One is understandable, the other is not.

 

And yes, the fact that the Warden managed to not just stop a Blight, but stop a Blight after only one years, using only a nation that was involved in a civil war redeems his somewhat when compared to Hawke who didn't really accomplish anything on that level.

[SgtSteel91]

Who cares at this point? There are stories where the protagonist fails and are overall tragic. Whether you like it or not that is how the writers made the game, and no amount of complaining is going to change the fact that Hawke is going to make an appearance in Inquisition and most likely play a significant role.

 

So to take a page out of TheKomanderShepards book deal with it 

[Exaltation]

Default male Hawke is ugly,looked better in the trailers.
Remodel Hawke to:

[TheChosenOne]

Can we remodel them?  

[KaiserShep]

And yes, the fact that the Warden managed to not just stop a Blight, but stop a Blight after only one years, using only a nation that was involved in a civil war redeems his somewhat when compared to Hawke who didn't really accomplish anything on that level.

 

No regular person is really capable of doing anything on that level during a Blight anyway. But I find that the main difference between the Warden and Hawke is that by comparison, the Warden had allies served on a silver platter. Eamon didn't turn on you, the Templars at the Circle were on your side regardless of the decision you made, and you could wipe out the elves that would have been sworn to your service, and STILL get combatants out of the deal (werewolves).

[Aulis Vaara]

still here you are defending your stupid claims that Hawke is a failure and that its a fact damm man
various people have discussed this with you and showed you that you are wrong multiple times already but you just won't accept it eh?
and then claiming that others are biased jesus

He is right, you know. Hawke does three things well: killing the rock wraith, killing the arishok and killing Meredith. In the middle case he was extremely lucky that the quality chose to leave when the fight was done, and in the latter case it was the event that sparked a world war, all because Hawke hadn't realised for the last seven years that a spirit abomination is still an abomination. Even after he went berserk.

Everything else Hawke did had severe consequences, not always something that Hawke could have known, but nevertheless they were tasks he failed to complete.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

But I find that the main difference between the Warden and Hawke is that by comparison, the Warden had allies served on a silver platter. Eamon didn't turn on you, the Templars at the Circle were on your side regardless of the decision you made, and you could wipe out the elves that would have been sworn to your service, and STILL get combatants out of the deal (werewolves).

I want to clarify one thing despite that the Warden had many allies, it doesn't always come served on a silver platter and the Warden doesn't have that much of handicap. Many of your allies or possible allies had their own agenda, and their own motivation for helping you, and as a matter of the fact the Warden spent most of the time running errands or aid those allies before their promise to help defeat the Blight in return. Frankly, the Darkspawn are the most common threat to everyone in Thedas, and each time the Blight happen people will rally to fight against the darkspawn whether there are Grey Warden to lead them or not. I'm pretty sure that's why the Warden gains allies so easily, no one want to sit on the fence and just watch the world burns.

[Bellethiel]

Everything else Hawke did had severe consequences, not always something that Hawke could have known, but nevertheless they were tasks he failed to complete.

 

I still see difference between "Hawke is a failure" and "Hawke failed to do this and that".

[Willowhugger]

He is right, you know. Hawke does three things well: killing the rock wraith, killing the arishok and killing Meredith. In the middle case he was extremely lucky that the quality chose to leave when the fight was done, and in the latter case it was the event that sparked a world war, all because Hawke hadn't realised for the last seven years that a spirit abomination is still an abomination. Even after he went berserk.

Everything else Hawke did had severe consequences, not always something that Hawke could have known, but nevertheless they were tasks he failed to complete.

Hawke also killed the High Dragon
Stopped two serial killers
Killed a host of Blood Mages
And also stopped a psychopathic templar

My Hawke considered killing the Orlaisian Duke an accomplishment and never tried to stop Tallis so that's different too.
Depending on whether you think Orsino was a Blood Mage or the leader of the Blood Mages in the city, he also stopped him too.

 

Hawke's not the sort of hero the Warden Commander is but he's still a big-big hero.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I've not been up to date until this last week, and I've been Binge-drinking all the info I could get. I just posted a "Keep Reveal" video here, that basically shows how the keep works, and they show off that you can import your Warden/Hawke from your games. Including their appearances and their choices.  

 

I'm guessing that doesn't mean what you think it means though. The appearance in the keep is strictly your character portrait from the player profile. I really doubt it contains face codes or anything like that. I think it will include the race, gender, class and so on. The profile picture is just a visual aid for use by you in the keep itself.

 

That said, Mike Laidlaw said we could customize our past PCs that appear, so I'm again speculating you can do that within DAI itself.

[Reidbynature]

Wouldn't mind the Warden's default being the Sacred Ashes Warden's face if he/she appears.

[nagisa-aoi87]

The Warden and Hawke : don't care if i can import their faces  from DAO or DA2, the one thing i'm pretty sure is that their fate will be sealed very quickly...