I can imagine Cass not believing a word of this Herald stuff, though I can see Leliana and Josephine manipulate this in the form of propaganda to sway people to our side or instill fear in those that might oppose us.I remembe this interview.
The thing I'm wondering is if we can pretend we're the "Chosen One" just to manipulate people...(it doesn't have to be evil or self serving...Maybe your character think people need to believe in miracles right now.) but behind close door you can say "No there wasn't any Maker , it was not a miracle..."
"Herald of Andraste"?
#226
Posté 14 août 2014 - 04:39
#227
Posté 14 août 2014 - 04:47
I can imagine Cass not believing a word of this Herald stuff, though I can see Leliana and Josephine manipulate this in the form of propaganda to sway people to our side or instill fear in those that might oppose us.
Yeah, my Inquisitor will have no problems letting Leliana and Josephine use this Herald of Andraste stuff for propaganda but he be skeptical about it even though he believes in Andraste and the Maker. For all he could know it could just be a fade spirit that he saw that gave him his power since he was in the fade.
#228
Posté 14 août 2014 - 05:11
I can imagine Cass not believing a word of this Herald stuff, though I can see Leliana and Josephine manipulate this in the form of propaganda to sway people to our side or instill fear in those that might oppose us.
I doubt Leliana would use Andraste in such a fashion.
In DA:O, she disapproved if the Warden convinced the Mother in Redcliffe to lie to the Knights and tell them their amulets provided the Maker's protection.
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#229
Posté 14 août 2014 - 05:13
If Leliana actually believed it, I'm sure she'd have no problems spreading the word. And it's the sort of thing Leliana might believe.
#230
Posté 14 août 2014 - 05:27
If Leliana actually believed it, I'm sure she'd have no problems spreading the word. And it's the sort of thing Leliana might believe.
If she believes it, then she believes it.
Her job really isn't to spread the word in the first place or to use it to manipulate others. The latter is the one I think she'd disagree with.
#231
Posté 14 août 2014 - 05:54
#232
Posté 14 août 2014 - 06:32
You know, I'm of the opinion that if I'm roleplaying this, I might have to play it up. Honestly, even if I'm not from a believing race ... I just survived a cataclysmic event that leveled a castle and killed everyone else? I was apparently saved by some glowing figure who imparted some strange powers on me that will maybe make me able to heal the land of this crap? What did I just have if it wasn't some kind of weird, trippy spiritual experience?
Now, we can argue the particulars of which faith tradition this experience came from, but oh, yeah, I had some kind of experience all right ...
So, to RP that correctly, I can't exactly lie and say I experienced nothing. I was saved by something, and I'm not possessed. So ... uh ... yeah, I had a religious experience. Sure.
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#233
Posté 14 août 2014 - 07:43
You know, I'm of the opinion that if I'm roleplaying this, I might have to play it up. Honestly, even if I'm not from a believing race ... I just survived a cataclysmic event that leveled a castle and killed everyone else? I was apparently saved by some glowing figure who imparted some strange powers on me that will maybe make me able to heal the land of this crap? What did I just have if it wasn't some kind of weird, trippy spiritual experience?
Now, we can argue the particulars of which faith tradition this experience came from, but oh, yeah, I had some kind of experience all right ...
So, to RP that correctly, I can't exactly lie and say I experienced nothing. I was saved by something, and I'm not possessed. So ... uh ... yeah, I had a religious experience. Sure.
Well, it's not a far-fetched idea and it would allow for very interesting roleplaying. Especially for a Dalish, a Dwarf or a Vasoth.
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#234
Posté 14 août 2014 - 07:50
Well, it's not a far-fetched idea and it would allow for very interesting roleplaying. Especially for a Dalish, a Dwarf or a Vasoth.
It would depend on how the protagonist could react to it. A Dalish might view it as one of the Creators saving his (or her) life, while a Dwarf could believe it was one of the Ancestors; I think the only exception would be the Vashoth, who don't adhere to the Qun and could potentially be atheist to start with.
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#235
Posté 14 août 2014 - 07:52
It would depend on how the protagonist could react to it. A Dalish might view it as one of the Creators saving his (or her) life, while a Dwarf could believe it was one of the Ancestors; I think the only exception would be the Vashoth, who don't adhere to the Qun and could potentially be atheist to start with.
Mm, true. Well, maybe the Dwarf not so much. Remember that they don't enter the Fade to begin with. Oghren was pretty nervous the whole time.
#236
Posté 14 août 2014 - 07:53
It would depend on how the protagonist could react to it. A Dalish might view it as one of the Creators saving his (or her) life, while a Dwarf could believe it was one of the Ancestors; I think the only exception would be the Vashoth, who don't adhere to the Qun and could potentially be atheist to start with.
The Dwarves don't deify ancestors or paragons, merely revere them, as well paragons, to be strive towards
#237
Posté 14 août 2014 - 07:55
Mm, true. Well, maybe the Dwarf not so much. Remember that they don't enter the Fade to begin with. Oghren was pretty nervous the whole time.
It could be related to the Stone. A Dwarf could look at it from the perspective of someone with believes in the Ancestors, and could translate the moment through that lens; it's not as though our knowledge about the dwarven faith is that thorough to begin with.
#238
Posté 14 août 2014 - 08:02
It could be related to the Stone. A Dwarf could look at it from the perspective of someone with believes in the Ancestors, and could translate the moment through that lens; it's not as though our knowledge about the dwarven faith is that thorough to begin with.
True enough. Still, we do know of a Dwarf that can enter the Fade twice (poor Oghren) and he definitely saw it as something alien to him and not related to the Stone. But I suppose it won't be an issue. The Inquisitor will be a surface Dwarf, and so far they aren't the most pious Dwarves around unless they were born and brought up in Orzammar. I suppose any deviation from proper Stone lore may be explained by the Dwarven Inquisitor not knowing any better.
#239
Posté 14 août 2014 - 08:54
I wonder if that's strictly in terms of how Andrastian humans perceive us, or whether the Dalish, Dwarves, and Vashoth may also have certain views about the protagonist, depending on the racial background.
The recent demo shown at Gamescon shows the Inquisitor recruiting an Avvar barbarian, who tells the Inquisitor "Your god looks after you, Herald!" and upon being recruited ponders "Is this why the Lady of the Sky sent me here? To help heal her wounds?"
So it looks like they may have their own interpretation of events.
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#240
Posté 14 août 2014 - 09:08
I'm actually finding myself intrigued by this angle. I'm wondering if they can pull this off, us playing on the level of the cosmological in Thedas because I think that's what they're doing. It's going to have to be done right without setting us up too much to make further games believable. I mean, how do you top setting a PC up as a chosen figure in what appears to be a battle between deities?
I have no trouble with the idea in that it's a staple of fantasy fair; I'm just interested in how they pull this off without us having to off our PCs in order to restore balance and set up another installment.
#241
Posté 14 août 2014 - 09:20
I remembe this interview.
The thing I'm wondering is if we can pretend we're the "Chosen One" just to manipulate people...(it doesn't have to be evil or self serving...Maybe your character think people need to believe in miracles right now.) but behind close door you can say "No there wasn't any Maker , it was not a miracle..."
In my FennecQuisition I distanced myself from the term, and picked options that (at least to me) clearly indicated I wasn't a Chantry loyalist.
I saw dialogue options that indicated the idea of accepting and/or acknowledging the idea that some feel I'm the Chosen One and perhaps even believing it myself. I didn't pick those options, however. (FennecQuisition was derailed due to finding some interesting bugs [yay!] so I'll be restarting a character. Probably a Dwarf).
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#242
Posté 14 août 2014 - 09:32
One thing that stands out to me is that a Devout Andrastian character might have have just as much reason to reject being a chosen one as a non Andrastian. I'm looking forward to playing at least one Chantry loyalist, but despite (or perhaps because of) that I'd be hesitant to claim to be something so bold as to be chosen by Andraste herself.
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#243
Posté 14 août 2014 - 09:32
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the Citadel!
Yes pls
#244
Posté 14 août 2014 - 10:54
@ Jedi Master, Oh yeah, I can totally see that. If you are devout, why would you see this glowy spirit thing as Andraste, and if you buy into the humility, then why on earth would she pick you? What makes you special?
There are a lot of ways this could be played, so I think the people who are having the knee-jerk "How dare you make us Chantry loyalists" reaction just haven't thought it through enough. Until I get into the game and see where my options actually take me, I'm not going to start assuming that I'm going to be pegged into being one sort of character or another.
As I said, I'm just sort of thrilled to be able to play up a spiritual angle if I want to.
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#245
Posté 15 août 2014 - 12:07
If anything you will be setting the course in a new direction from what I remember we were told early on. As the Inquisitor for the Inquisition you get to decide what direction you want to go. At least that was my understanding. The "Herald of Andraste" would seem to go against Chantry teachings what I have seen. You do not have to embrace this. But after seeing the latest trailer I can't help but feel there is some sort of connection.
The Inquisitor is bestowed with a power none other posses. How you choose to define yourself vs how others will may not be in our control.
I remember playing DA:O and my Warden became very religious and a follower of Andraste, Mainly because of the Urn of Sacred Ashes story arch and the influence of Leliana and Wynne on him. My Hawke was very anti-Chantry because he was a Mage and how his kind was being treated by the Templars who were under Chantry leadership. Each of my characters developed down their own paths, and I believe that will be the same here in Dragon Age Inquisition.
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#246
Posté 15 août 2014 - 03:21
Yeah, a "Herald of Andraste" should be against the teachings of the Chantry since she is suppose to be at the Makers side and he is gone. He's not suppose to return until the chant of light is sung from east to west (or something) and that clearly isn't now. I think many from the Chantry will refuse to belive that the player really is the "Herald of Andraste".
#247
Posté 15 août 2014 - 03:22
Yeah, a "Herald of Andraste" should be against the teachings of the Chantry since she is suppose to be at the Makers side and he is gone. He's not suppose to return until the chant of light is sung from east to west (or something) and that clearly isn't now. I think many from the Chantry will refuse to belive that the player really is the "Herald of Andraste".
Gonna be interesting finding out how people respond to that title.
#248
Posté 15 août 2014 - 03:43
I hope that we can start a cult devoted to our character. I would love to have an evil mage Inquisitor in black robs saying "I am the way!"
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#249
Posté 16 août 2014 - 01:15
The recent demo shown at Gamescon shows the Inquisitor recruiting an Avvar barbarian, who tells the Inquisitor "Your god looks after you, Herald!" and upon being recruited ponders "Is this why the Lady of the Sky sent me here? To help heal her wounds?"
So it looks like they may have their own interpretation of events.
Hmmm...I wonder if the Avvar are into syncretism.
#250
Posté 16 août 2014 - 02:43
Hmmm...I wonder if the Avvar are into syncretism.
It'll be interesting to find out certainly
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