I'm an atheist, and I want to destroy the chantry.
And to answer the last question, I have no doubt that there are a lot of different faiths among the BSN members. Atheists may be vocal but I'm pretty sure we're a minority.
@Daerog: I can "almost" assure you that you won't be able to be devout. That's not trending right now in pop culture.
I hope we are able to be really devout Andrastians like Sebastian, would be nice. I would love it if BW gave us the option to continue to be meh, dislike, or full on zealot for the Chantry in Inquisition.
Don't have to be completely antagonistic towards the Dalish or Qunari, though. Oh, oh, let's be able to help convert Iron Bull or some other NPC, that would be awesome!
Loyalist mage fighting for the faith!
game based on middle age.@Daerog: I can "almost" assure you that you won't be able to be devout. That's not trending right now in pop culture.
thanks for honesty. good luck.
here's hoping
Oh dear, when you edited it like that, I look like a zealot xD And I hope you get to do whatever you want to do, no matter how crazy!
I'm an atheist, and I want to destroy the chantry. Not because of any beef I have with religion in general, but because I don't like how the chantry abuse and oppress elves and mages. If I can suspend my disbelief when it comes to things like magic, then I can do the same for the religion. I've played religious characters, and I've played atheist characters. Loved them all.
And to answer the last question, I have no doubt that there are a lot of different faiths among the BSN members. Atheists may be vocal but I'm pretty sure we're a minority.
Same here, though my characters tend to be mostly agnostic or atheist.
Oh dear, when you edited it like that, I look like a zealot xD And I hope you get to do whatever you want to do, no matter how crazy!
Same here, though my characters tend to be mostly agnostic or atheist.
I'm not ashamed to admit that they're in the majority of my characters too. But it's fun to rp as something else from time to time 
I'd like to dismantle the chantry, but not just kill andrastians for their faith. I think the chantry is corrupted, but what people choose to worship isn't my PC's problem unless they are using it as an excuse to directly hurt people. I've never roleplayed a devout andrastian before, but it would be interesting. I don't think I would be able to unless I played a character with a more "lawful evil" type of nature though, which isn't really my thing. 
I'm not ashamed to admit that they're in the majority of my characters too. But it's fun to rp as something else from time to time
Bringing real life issues into a game is like writing bad fanfiction with a flawless selfinsert just to feel warm and fuzzy.
Bringing real life issues into a game is like writing bad fanfiction with a flawless selfinsert just to feel warm and fuzzy.
my pc chooses the atheist dialogues to troll the priests. i mean threatining that lothering mother with morrigan in is just precious
Whatever floats your boat! But I hope you know that atheism is not about trolling priests. Most of us are respectful and nice towards religious people.
Whatever floats your boat! But I hope you know that atheism is not about trolling priests. Most of us are respectful and nice towards religious people.
Yep. Plus I don't think the "threatening" option really equates to the atheist option... more just like the ******* option. xD
Yep. Plus I don't think the "threatening" option really equates to the atheist option... more just like the ******* option. xD
I had to youtube it to make sure, but I agree. It wasn't atheistic, it was a "shut up ****** and give me the goddamn key" option.
i can assure u that some of the things chantry did were bad; exalted march on elves, involvement in politics, etc. but talking about destroying religion in thedas and setting up pagan cults(see The Elder One worship thread) is just......meh
Spicen, on 17 Aug 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:
i can assure u that some of the things chantry did were bad; exalted march on elves, involvement in politics, etc. but talking about destroying religion in thedas and setting up pagan cults(see The Elder One worship thread) is just......meh
A "pagan cult" is still religious. It's not on the same level as trying to destroy religion in Thedas, it's just a different world view.
Laidlaw's tweet gives me hope as well, but I am with others that wonder does that apply to humans too. I understand the Dalish, Vashoth, and Dwarven characters because of their cultures beliefs, but what if I want my Human to say...believe in the Dalish version of things or the Qun.
How else here want to take this concept and go all "Leto II"?
(Cookie for the ones who gets this.)
How else here want to take this concept and go all "Leto II"?
(Cookie for the ones who gets this.)
A "pagan cult" is still religious. It's not on the same level as trying to destroy religion in Thedas, it's just a different world view.
A cult is a religious or other social group that believes and/or has practices that are outside the social norms. Now in English this word is thought of with derogatory connotations but as a student working on a religious studies master's the word cult can be apply to any religious grouping. Words have multiple meanings that change from person to person due to the listeners personal associations with those words. In other words, words have many definitions.
So Tevinter Rose, i agree with you
Speaking strictly for myself, I've never been able to understand why a mage would even follow the Andrastian faith, given what they preach about mages and magic.
The Andrastian faith just teaches that magic is dangerous and those that are gifted with it have a great responsibility to fulfill, both in protecting themselves from evil/demons and using said gift in service to the faithful.
The Chantry tends to stress the former, with a little of the latter. The Imperial Chantry tends to stress the latter, even if they don't practice what they preach.
I can see mages having an issue with the Circle and how it is run and with current Chantry policy, but not with the faith itself. However, you said strictly speaking for yourself, so I don't mean to try and convince you, just wanted to mention this as I like playing Andrastian mages, be they of Imperial leanings or Loyalist supporter.
If they do the Dalish mage right in Inquisition, I would like to do one good run as a Creator believing mage, just didn't seem fun to go that route in Origins, being in the Circle and all.
It's those issues that tend to color how some people look at the Chantry, whether or not the person is religious. It's not as though the Chantry is an actual religious organization, after all; it's a fictitious group that is involved in some questionable behavior.
Speaking strictly for myself, I've never been able to understand why a mage would even follow the Andrastian faith, given what they preach about mages and magic.
However, I doubt the Cult of the Elder One will be much better.
Laidlaw's tweet does make me believe that there will be an option to rebuke association with the Andrastian faith, for the Dalish and Vashoth protagonist, and hopefully for a Dwarven main character as well.
Well it's pretty clear that Andrastian faith is to the world of Thedas what Christianity is to ours, the connotations are there and anyone regardless of belief can grasp that. It's interesting because the God of the Bible is a god outside the world that created the world while other gods are just idols of this world made by men for men, <- this has been used by Bioware for Dragon Age, you have lots of different gods and pagan beliefs in Thedas with people worshipping the old gods (seven dragons) and elven gods and a pantheon of gods of the sky and wind and earth, this gods are ultimately gods of the world, while the Maker is well... the Maker, so he isn't bound by the world.
And I'm not saying The Maker is a carbon copy of the God of the Bible, first because the world of Thedas is much more different from ours and second because the Maker seems to have just said "ok screw it, I'm out of here" or at least he is very apathetic about the world, while the God of the Bible is more personal and interacts with mankind to save it throughout all history.
So yeah, I can see references to our world and how people could see the Chantry as the Church of Christianity. As a christian myself I guess I could psychologically speaking perceive the Chantry or the Maker with friendlier eyes because they are in DA world what christianity and God are to our real world, while an atheist could see the chantry and its faith with more reservations if in his real life he perceives christianity or God (or any other faith) the same way.
But ultimately the religions of Dragon Age are fake and made by writers in a studio. We shouldn't see it in any other way. The similarities are just that, similarities.
Now about the Andrastian faith what it says is that magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him - This I like. It's a very moral statement in my opinion, if you have power you have to use it with responsibility (this notion wasn't invented with spiderman).
Another matter is how this statement is exercised. The white chantry imprisons mages and has them under constant surveillance while the Black chantry in Tevinter says that this statement doesn't ban mages from ruling and just means not using blood magic (and they still use it lol)
Many people have a hard time separating the tenets of a faith from its practice by men. Someone can proclaim that he/she is this or that and then contradict what his faith says by doing the opposite out of ignorance, stupidity or for the lulz.
So lore speaking I can see a mage that has faith in the Maker and at the same time wants to reform the chantry to adjust its practices better to what the faith in Andraste and the Maker says.
What I find interesting... is that wanting to destroy the Chantry gets: "But it's just a fake religion."
But wanting to destroy the elves gets: "That's disgusting genocide."
Wanting to keep the mages in the Circles sometimes gets: "This is just like people oppressing my X minority."
Note: I don't want to destroy or kill any group in DA - if that must be said. Nor do I want to kill any NPCs because I dislike the personalities presented
What I find interesting... is that wanting to destroy the Chantry gets: "But it's just a fake religion."
But wanting to destroy the elves gets: "That's disgusting genocide."
Wanting to keep the mages in the Circles sometimes gets: "This is just like people oppressing my X minority."
Note: I don't want to destroy or kill any group in DA - if that must be said. Nor do I want to kill any NPCs because I dislike the personalities presented
It's a big difference between wanting to tear down an organization and wanting to commit genocide. And I can't believe I actually had to write that.
Edited the phrasing..
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