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[Master Warder Z_]

Why would a delusional and suicidal mage be a good place to start?
 

 

She was only suicidal during the revolt at the tower, and her viewpoint is her own.

 

Beyond that being of a loyalist mindset is delusional now is it?

[Spicen]

Why would a delusional and suicidal mage be a good place to start?

it was supposed to be a half joke. Shud i give a smiley next?

[Spicen]

She was only suicidal during the revolt at the tower, and her viewpoint is her own.

Beyond that being of a loyalist mindset is delusional now is it?

erm if u play mage and tell her she can be made tranquil, shell be mire happy than me getting a million dollars. Delusional is the word, suicidal goes too far imo

[Master Warder Z_]

erm if u play mage and tell her she can be made tranquil, shell be mire happy than me getting a million dollars. Delusional is the word, suicidal goes too far imo

 

Her not wanting her magic to possibly be a threat to others, and listening to her own religious belief is delusional?

 

Tranquility being embraced by a mage, scary notion isn't? So scary that detractors of the ritual, have to come up with some "plausible" reasoning for it, she was distressed, she was fed propaganda, blah blah blah.

 

Seriously, i am of the mind that if more mages were like here then i likely would not have any problems with Mages 

[The Baconer]

She was only suicidal during the revolt at the tower, and her viewpoint is her own.

 

Keili's viewpoint is indeed Keili's viewpoint, yes.

 

 

Beyond that being of a loyalist mindset is delusional now is it?

 

I wouldn't know anything about that. On the other hand, believing the demon infestation is a punishment by the Maker for people being born as mages, when it takes about 10 minutes of investigation to find out why there are actually demons in the Circle, is pretty delusional.

[Spicen]

Her not wanting her magic to possibly be a threat to others, and listening to her own religious belief is delusional?

Tranquility being embraced by a mage, scary notion isn't? So scary that detractors of the ritual, have to come up with some "plausible" reasoning for it, she was distressed, she was fed propaganda, blah blah blah.

Seriously, i am of the mind that if more mages were like here then i likely would not have any problems with Mages

your opinion. i just think irving was perfect in all manner. I was supporting the mages but then Grace happened. After that Meredith stole the show.

Keilli i admit is THE most devout npc i have seen throughout the game. I applaud that.

[Medhia_Nox]

We are told several times that sometimes mages chose Tranquility over the terror their magic induces.  Owain also states that he chose Tranquility (and he has no reason to lie, so that's just headcanon for anyone who thinks he is).

 

I don't believe Bioware has succeeded completely in showing how torturous magic "can" be for some mages.  Then, of course, there is the great disservice the main protagonist does to the concept of DA magic in being totally immune to the dangers magic presents. 

 

Mages in DA are mentally unstable people - both genius and deranged - that are capable of making their thoughts manifest (Valor states this last part in the Mage Origin).  Even some of our greatest minds (many artists) were self-destructive and destructive toward others.  While the mad often long for peace of the mind (at least some do I imagine) - while others seem to give in to madness.

 

The one thing I think is terrible about their presentation of their proposed system is self-control.  These mages have none - they're just modern individualists who want to be able to do with their magic whatever they please.  That isn't self-control - it's self-indulgence.  The magic in DA is presented as being based off emotion... and yet, I have seen only a tiny handful of mages who practice any form of self-control.

 

The Chantry attempted to force self-control.  Not the worst thing in the world, but certainly counter productive to actually learning it of your own volition.  

[Spicen]

We are told several times that sometimes mages chose Tranquility over the terror their magic induces. Owain also states that he chose Tranquility (and he has no reason to lie, so that's just headcanon for anyone who thinks he is).

I don't believe Bioware has succeeded completely in showing how torturous magic "can" be for some mages. Then, of course, there is the great disservice the main protagonist does to the concept of DA magic in being totally immune to the dangers magic presents.

Mages in DA are mentally unstable people - both genius and deranged - that are capable of making their thoughts manifest (Valor states this last part in the Mage Origin). Even some of our greatest minds (many artists) were self-destructive and destructive toward others. While the mad often long for peace of the mind (at least some do I imagine) - while others seem to give in to madness.

The one thing I think is terrible about their presentation of their proposed system is self-control. These mages have none - they're just modern individualists who want to be able to do with their magic whatever they please. That isn't self-control - it's self-indulgence. The magic in DA is presented as being based off emotion... and yet, I have seen only a tiny handful of mages who practice any form of self-control.

One more thing i want to add. This supposed subjagation and oppresion of mages is down to tens of years of torture under the tevinter and the mistrust it caused on magic. yet the chantry let the mages live, when they cud hav let the original templars have a field day. Living under the tevinters were like living under the devil. The hatred is understandable.

[Spicen]

We are told several times that sometimes mages chose Tranquility over the terror their magic induces. Owain also states that he chose Tranquility (and he has no reason to lie, so that's just headcanon for anyone who thinks he is).

I don't believe Bioware has succeeded completely in showing how torturous magic "can" be for some mages. Then, of course, there is the great disservice the main protagonist does to the concept of DA magic in being totally immune to the dangers magic presents.

Mages in DA are mentally unstable people - both genius and deranged - that are capable of making their thoughts manifest (Valor states this last part in the Mage Origin). Even some of our greatest minds (many artists) were self-destructive and destructive toward others. While the mad often long for peace of the mind (at least some do I imagine) - while others seem to give in to madness.

The one thing I think is terrible about their presentation of their proposed system is self-control. These mages have none - they're just modern individualists who want to be able to do with their magic whatever they please. That isn't self-control - it's self-indulgence. The magic in DA is presented as being based off emotion... and yet, I have seen only a tiny handful of mages who practice any form of self-control.

One more thing i want to add. This supposed subjagation and oppresion of mages is down to tens of years of torture under the tevinter and the mistrust it caused on magic. yet the chantry let the mages live, when they cud hav let the original templars have a field day. Living under the tevinters were like living under the devil. The hatred is understandable.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Chantry attempted to force self-control.  Not the worst thing in the world, but certainly counter productive to actually learning it of your own volition.  

 

Well that brings up the argument of "Can  they"?

 

As you yourself admitted only a scarce handful even bother with it.

 

I personally as crass and brutal as i come off, am a Humanist, i would love to believe in the mages, that they can in fact overcome their base and simple nature.

 

But it isn't to be, Sometimes Order and Stability must be enforced, sad as it is.

[darkiddd]

this now this i wanted to say. Hats off to u sir, our minds think alike.

P.S. Thank God that God is nothing like the maker. the maker sounds like a sub.

i reread ur entire post. Ur understanding of God is similar to mine. A very good read. If ppl want to know anything about God in short they shud read ur post.

 

I've been an atheist or an agnostic since I became a teenager but in March-April I began to do my research because I wanted to figure out what truth was or if it even existed and I ended up stumbling on God. I was like "holy s*** he is real!!!" so I researched even more 

 

It was pretty significant for me because I was a bit depressed and hungering for a bit of meaning and truth so discovering him changed everything for me, who I was and how I saw the world. I have never slept so well in my entire life knowing that God has my back.

 

So yeah, glory to Jesus.

[Dabrikishaw]

I'm not an atheist but I'm getting real tired of this "all atheists want to destroy the Chantry because they can't destroy religion in real life!" crap that get's spewed everyime the topic comes up.

[Ieldra]

Why and how is irrelevant to the question I am asking. I asked what if Andraste LITERALLY appeared before you (as in no question about it), and gave you the power you need to succeed as the Inquisitor? Why in this case would you be averse to the title of "Herald of Andraste"?

Can there be a situation where there is no doubt about it? Anyway, accepting your very speculative scenario, yes, I would object because it would imply I am subservient to her and her cause. Giving me that power would be useful and I would be thankful, but never subservient unless I were so inclined in the first place. My view of what is good and bad cannot be bought.

[Star fury]

Can there be a situation where there is no doubt about it? Anyway, accepting your very speculative scenario, yes, I would object because it would imply I am subservient to her and her cause. Giving me that power would be useful and I would be thankful, but never subservient unless I were so inclined in the first place. My view of what is good and bad cannot be bought.

My inquisitor would be happy to burn some heretics in the name of Andraste to be honest.

[Spicen]

I've been an atheist or an agnostic since I became a teenager but in March-April I began to do my research because I wanted to figure out what truth was or if it even existed and I ended up stumbling on God. I was like "holy s*** he is real!!!" so I researched even more

It was pretty significant for me because I was a bit depressed and hungering for a bit of meaning and truth so discovering him changed everything for me, who I was and how I saw the world. I have never slept so well in my entire life knowing that God has my back.

So yeah, glory to Jesus.

hey are u my clone or sth? thats exactly what happened to me too. except im a muslim, in our religion he has a respectable position as Prophet, not God. but still cheers. the similarity between the Abrahimic monotheism is intriguing. But u digress... its getting off topic.

[Spicen]

Can there be a situation where there is no doubt about it? Anyway, accepting your very speculative scenario, yes, I would object because it would imply I am subservient to her and her cause. Giving me that power would be useful and I would be thankful, but never subservient unless I were so inclined in the first place. My view of what is good and bad cannot be bought.

bioware made it clear they wud leave his existence ambiguous. Its a counter to make the game more involving

[TK514]

I kind of miss games that have early 'game-over' screen for bad choices, though ME2 had a nice homage to the old school with Morinth.

 

Glowing Benefactor:  "As far as you know, I am a godlike being.  I gift to you the power to save your world, and all you must do in return is use it and be known as my herald."

 

Quizzi: "I bow to no one!"

 

Glowing Benefactor:  "Ok, I'll give it to someone else, then."

 

---***GAME OVER***---

[darkiddd]

hey are u my clone or sth? thats exactly what happened to me too. except im a muslim, in our religion he has a respectable position as Prophet, not God. but still cheers. the similarity between the Abrahimic monotheism is intriguing. But u digress... its getting off topic.

 

Well at least we agree that God exists   Could I discuss this further with you with private messages?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I kind of miss games that have early 'game-over' screen for bad choices, though ME2 had a nice homage to the old school with Morinth.

 

Glowing Benefactor:  "As far as you know, I am a godlike being.  I gift to you the power to save your world, and all you must do in return is use it and be known as my herald."

 

Quizzi: "I bow to no one!"

 

Glowing Benefactor:  "Ok, I'll give it to someone else, then."

 

---***GAME OVER***---

 

Actually didn't Cameron Lee mention there would be non standard game overs at some point in a recent demo interview?

[TheJediSaint]

I kind of miss games that have early 'game-over' screen for bad choices, though ME2 had a nice homage to the old school with Morinth.

 

Glowing Benefactor:  "As far as you know, I am a godlike being.  I gift to you the power to save your world, and all you must do in return is use it and be known as my herald."

 

Quizzi: "I bow to no one!"

 

Glowing Benefactor:  "Ok, I'll give it to someone else, then."

 

---***GAME OVER***---

Witcher 2 also had Geralt getting shot to death by the scoia'tael if you screwed up talking to them.

[TK514]

Actually didn't Cameron Lee mention there would be non standard game overs at some point in a recent demo interview?

 

 

Witcher 2 also had Geralt getting shot to death by the scoia'tael if you screwed up talking to them.

 

You both give me hope.  I enjoy seeing the non-standard endings.

[TheJediSaint]

You both give me hope.  I enjoy seeing the non-standard endings.

Yes, I want poor choices to have consequences.  Punish my bad judgment, BIoware!

[darkiddd]

Actually didn't Cameron Lee mention there would be non standard game overs at some point in a recent demo interview?

 

This would be awesome.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Master Warder Z:  Interesting, if there is an opposite of a "Humanist" I would be it.  I have no faith in humanity, but I do have some faith in individual humans. 

 

Concerning the mages - I believe every one of them "could" maintain self-control, with precious few being absolutely beyond help - however, I have no faith that they will ever bother with trying.  Leaving Thedas in a mire of self-indulgent degenerates who think they have some right to use their magic in whatever way they deem necessary.  

 

At the very least - Tevinter is honest with itself.  It accepts that mages are no more unique than the average person when it comes to mental fortitude and therefore totally incapable of controlling what they've been born with.  So, they have draconian control of their mages and "if" you're strong enough to stay in control - then maybe you can be something important.  Of course - Tevinter itself is repugnant, but I can admire their attempt at encouraging the choice of self-control in mages. 

 

To try to keep on topic - had the Chantry encouraged opening the Circles to teach self-control while providing any mage that attends them with great societal boons (while leaving those dangerous beings that don't at the mercy of the templars "if" they prove wanting).  Then I think their entire situation would be different - and probably what it "should" have been to begin with instead of the system of bigotry and oppression it has largely become.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Seriously, guys.