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[Mistic]

When were you ever forced to flaunt some sort of Andrastianism as Hawke?

 

Did he make references to Andraste or the Maker occasionally? Sure. Everyone does that. Hell, Oghren refers to Andraste all the time, and he's a dwarf.

 

The funny thing about this uproar is that I can think of any number of times a Dalish Warden has the exact same lines referencing Andraste or the Maker that a human does - and no "I don't believe in that" response - and nobody flipped their lid over that.

 

I think the problem for some is that they couldn't play Hawke as someone against Andrastianism or as an atheist. For example, when his mother died in DA2, the diplomatic option said that she was with the Maker. His siblings also made references, so no matter what, Hawke was brought up in an Andrastian home. But that's what happens when you only have one origin, and that origin isn't a TES blank slate (I prefer it that way, actually; give me a Hawke before another anonymous prisoner).

 

As for Dalish and Dwarves, yes, they had those lines... but as options. You always had at least an option that avoided praising the Maker or Andraste, and several times you had the option to declare that you weren't Andrastian.

[Paul E Dangerously]

I think the problem for some is that they couldn't play Hawke as someone against Andrastianism or as an atheist. For example, when his mother died in DA2, the diplomatic option said that she was with the Maker. His siblings also made references, so no matter what, Hawke was brought up in an Andrastian home. But that's what happens when you only have one origin, and that origin isn't a TES blank slate (I prefer it that way, actually; give me a Hawke before another anonymous prisoner).

 

As for Dalish and Dwarves, yes, they had those lines... but as options. You always had at least an option that avoided praising the Maker or Andraste, and several times you had the option to declare that you weren't Andrastian.

 

Probably. It just lends to my theory that some people just want be That Guy. (or That Girl. Or That Whatever.)

[Ynqve]

Probably. It just lends to my theory that some people just want be That Guy. (or That Girl. Or That Whatever.)

 

Or some people want to play a character that represents them? There are plenty of real life agnostics and atheists, and some of them would appreciate being able to voice skepticism even when faced with a fictional religion. I know i would, it's not a big deal but it's nice to have the option.  

[The Night Haunter]

You'll probably get to choose (with your actions) between being the Herald or the Inquisitor. Herald being the Maker believing goody-two-shoes and the Inquisitor being the practical, non-religious version.

[Chewin]

I'm more worried about the topic of Maker's existence being used in the game as a means to believe he doesn't exist, and when all is looking to end in failure--ding dong the Maker shows up and saves the day.

 

I hope this won't be the case.

[TurretSyndrome]

Probably. It just lends to my theory that some people just want be That Guy. (or That Girl. Or That Whatever.)

 

Some people like the option to roleplay at both extremes of the spectrum. I see no harm in asking for such options.

[Kimarous]

I think people are reading too much into that line. Let's think for a moment. First off, the full quote: "Herald of Andraste! Face me! I am the hand of God(?) himself!" Second, the context: Avvar barbarian leader facing off against a non-Avvar foe. Overall, it strikes me that he views any outsiders as "yet another warrior evangelist who will kill me if I don't convert." As for the other soldier, it was still within the midst of the Avvar and the wording was probably used to play up your importance to the defeated remnants.

[Samahl]

I'm more worried about the topic of Maker's existence being used in the game as a means to believe he doesn't exist, and when all is looking to end in failure--ding dong the Maker shows up and saves the day.

 

I doubt it, as devs have stated in the past that they're keeping the Maker's existence ambiguous. Of course, they may change their mind at a later date, but I don't see why they would.

[Samahl]

"Herald of Andraste! Face me! I am the hand of God(?) himself!"

 

Korrth.

[Chewin]

I doubt it, as devs have stated in the past that they're keeping the Maker's existence ambiguous. Of course, they may change their mind at a later date, but I don't see why they would.

 

Yes, as I stated in a previous thread--DA delving into historical 'unknowns' adds layer to the lore of the game and I hope they keep their distance from them in the future. Of course it depends on how it is executed. I will be skeptical though.

[Mistic]

Some people like the option to roleplay at both extremes of the spectrum. I see no harm in asking for such options.

 

I agree. The problem is when 'asking for' becomes 'demanding'.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm hoping that the protagonist will be able to disassociate himself from the Andrastian faith. 

 

BUT THEY WERE MADE FROM THE MAKER'S HAND!

 

It is his will they follow!

 

Do not Denounce the true god of the world in favor of false prophets and idols!

[Senya]

Well, I'm certainly going to have fun with this.

[Senya]

BUT THEY WERE MADE FROM THE MAKER'S HAND!

It is his will they follow!

Do not Denounce the true god of the world in favor of false prophets and idols!

I wonder how your Inquisitor will feel about this, Z. Isn't he Lawful Evil.

[Master Warder Z_]

I wonder how your Inquisitor will feel about this, Z. Isn't he Lawful Evil.

 

Organized and universal religion is a powerful tool.

 

He would be in favor of a one unified world faith, its just icing that it happens to be a human god in this case.

 

Beyond that, He does follow Andraste's faith.

[Senya]

Organized and universal religion is a powerful tool.
 
He would be in favor of a one unified world faith, its just icing that it happens to be a human god in this case.
 
Beyond that, He does follow Andraste's faith.

"Whoever defies me defies the Maker."

Yeah, I can see how your character can use that.

[LPPrince]

I might have to consider religion a little more this go around.

[The Morning Star]

I might have to consider religion a little more this go around.

ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR.

[LPPrince]

ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR.

 

*cries*

[LobselVith8]

Well, I'm certainly going to have fun with this.

You mean with a heathen Dalish or an atheist Vashoth being viewed as a religious figure?

[TheJediSaint]

It would be cool that's Andraste and all, but it could also be some thing else that's competing with the Elder One.  It just takes up the guise of Andraste to get you to help it.

[Rosey]

 

Repent! For tomorrow you die! For the Lion and the First Legion!

 That signature made me really really nostalgic for my old WoW guild

 

 

On topic: I've never understood why folks get so bugged out by the idea that Hawke was a part of a human family that loosely at best followed the human religion. Most Human and non-humans living in Human lands tend to at least use the phrases of the religion if not outright believing in it. In real life even Athiests say "Oh my god" or  "God damned". You don't have to believe god actually exists to use to use God as a curse or as a form of surprise. Just like folks in Thedas don't have to actually believe in the Maker or Andraste to say stuff like "Andraste's flaming arse" or "May the Maker guide you".

 

I'm not terribly worried about it. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for your Inquisitor to go "uh dude I wasn't touched by Andraste, you're nuts" or "....I'm DALISH I don't believe in that fairy-story garbage" or even "....you know Andraste isn't a real thing right?"

[LPPrince]

 That signature made me really really nostalgic for my old WoW guild

 

 

On topic: I've never understood why folks get so bugged out by the idea that Hawke was a part of a human family that loosely at best followed the human religion. Most Human and non-humans living in Human lands tend to at least use the phrases of the religion if not outright believing in it. In real life even Athiests say "Oh my god" or  "God damned". You don't have to believe god actually exists to use to use God as a curse or as a form of surprise. Just like folks in Thedas don't have to actually believe in the Maker or Andraste to say stuff like "Andraste's flaming arse" or "May the Maker guide you".

 

I'm not terribly worried about it. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for your Inquisitor to go "uh dude I wasn't touched by Andraste, you're nuts" or "....I'm DALISH I don't believe in that fairy-story garbage" or even "....you know Andraste isn't a real thing right?"

 

Right, right. Just terms in the end.