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[myahele]

I completely forgot about imshael. Then I wonder if the weird multieyed thing that faces hawke and a warden is imshael?

 

A shame it isnt our warden (but could still be Alistair) it would almost be too appropriate for them to fight imshael.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

If the googly-eyed thing is Imshael, I would say maybe the blonde guy is Ser Michel - though I have no clue what he'd be doing in Warden armour. 

[Jayken]

I've posted this theory a few times on the subreddit.

 

This isn't exactly wild but I've had a long standing suspicion that the Black City was never a city to begin with, but a prison. The Elves' tale of how Fen'Harel trapped two clans of gods always stuck out to me. Clearly the Forgotten Ones had a parallel with the Old Gods, but the Creators didn't. When Corypheus ham-handedly mentions that the city was already corrupted when he and his fellow magisters got there and it becomes easy to start extrapolating conclusions. Add also the fact that not even the most powerful spirits or demons go there. With Inquisition's focus on the Fade I can easily the Elder One being the god/entity/super-dragon/thing that was imprisoned in the Black City and is now attempting to break free.

 

As for why he's deciding that now is the best time to break free, I don't know. It could be related to the recently ended Blight, or that there are only 2 Old Gods left, or even due to the general weakening of the Veil. Hard to say. 

[Mistic]

I've posted this theory a few times on the subreddit.

 

This isn't exactly wild but I've had a long standing suspicion that the Black City was never a city to begin with, but a prison. The Elves' tale of how Fen'Harel trapped two clans of gods always stuck out to me. Clearly the Forgotten Ones had a parallel with the Old Gods, but the Creators didn't. When Corypheus ham-handedly mentions that the city was already corrupted when he and his fellow magisters got there and it becomes easy to start extrapolating conclusions. Add also the fact that not even the most powerful spirits or demons go there. With Inquisition's focus on the Fade I can easily the Elder One being the god/entity/super-dragon/thing that was imprisoned in the Black City and is now attempting to break free.

 

As for why he's deciding that now is the best time to break free, I don't know. It could be related to the recently ended Blight, or that there are only 2 Old Gods left, or even due to the general weakening of the Veil. Hard to say. 

 

Mm, I like that theory. Especially because it would allow Bioware to create a new super-villain from zero while at the same time remaining true to the lore. In that case, the Elder One would be an evil entity from before the golden times of the Tevinter Imperium, since the magisters thought the Golden/Black City was indeed the Maker's home, not a supernatural prison. The monicker "the Elder One" would make a lot of sense then.

 

The taint could be then the defense mechanism of that prison. After the Magisters' intrusion, the taint had to ensure that no other breach will happen and that the culprits would be punished. Complete annihilation of intelligent life in Thedas being better than the prospect of the Elder One getting free in the eyes of whoever built that prison.

[Mr.House]

It's not Is Imshael, neither do I think it's Cory, I do however think those two are helping the Elder One(with Cory being behind the stuff with the Wardens) I's either Dumat, another powerful darkspawn magister who was never imprisoned and planned this event for ages or Fen'Herrel(if he is not Flemeth).

[The Night Haunter]

It's not Is Imshael, neither do I think it's Cory, I do however think those two are helping the Elder One(with Cory being behind the stuff with the Wardens) I's either Dumat, another powerful darkspawn magister who was never imprisoned and planned this event for ages or Fen'Herrel(if he is not Flemeth).

That's what I was thinking when the maybe-legit-maybe-fake achievements list came out. Cory doesn't really seem like the big, bad, decades long planning kind of villain. Especially since he's been released only 3-9 years (depending on when you do it). If the Elder One is Dumat or another Old God then it makes perfect sense for Cory to be delegated to one of the major story arcs (obviously the Warden Arc). Imshael I see as being more important than the previous Forgotton Ones, but not the leader of a major story arc, maybe a long side quest chain if we are lucky.

[efd731]

I don't know if anyone submitted it, but Cory in possession of an old gods body might work. You get a creepy demon dragon body, that reassembles itself after defeat, can only be killed by a warden, and is capable of awesome magic due to Cory and has the (supposed) knowledge of an old god.

[Dayze]

Well; there seems to be red lyrium near that dragon.

 

Remember "He will rise", "The Stone Beneath Orlais lives", that using Red Lyrium was "eating the gods" or whatever.

 

My guess is; something trapped in the red lyrium got out due to Templars using it, maybe whatever causes that storm they inadvertently make.

 

A god; archedemon; ancient dwarven mage/priest......its kind of open right now.

[Dayze]

I want to say looking at the trailer; the body kind of looks "blighted" which brings up another possibility, demon possessed corpse of a dragon?

[Bipster]

I was under the impression that the multi-eyed creature that Hawke and that Warden are confronting was the Elder One. I suppose it could be the dragon though.

[Vroom Vroom]

I'm going to offer another theory:

 

Spoiler

The Elder One is one of the Forgotten Ones, the elven gods of malice and fear, having escaped from his prison in the Fade.

 

That would explain his disdain for the Maker and the running theme of "fear" among his demonic servants.

 

I think that

Spoiler

The Elder One is the leader of the Forgotten Ones and that we will fight the last two (assuming their is four) Forgotten Ones before facing The Elder One.  A seperate theory that I have is that Flemeth is the Formless One and cannot attack The Elder One and has been waiting for the Elder One to make its move and be dealt with before she makes her attempt to take on Thedas.

[Milan92]

Imshael beter show up nontheless!

 

Maybe he is working with the Elder One as well. Though he did seem pretty independent.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Seriously though I'm ready to sign up for the new Elder One religion! Oppression and Demonfire for all!

[Storm King]

I'm sticking with good old Greater Pride Demon. 

[Mistic]

Seriously though I'm ready to sign up for the new Elder One religion! Oppression and Demonfire for all!

 

Oh, yes, it seems the Elder One has answered the prayers of many in the forum. Let's review:

 

-He's anti-Chantry and doesn't believe in the existence of the Maker.

-He's not a distant god and is ready for face to face talks.

-He supports giving the mages more freedom, since it has the Venatori as his followers.

-He's probably not racist. The Venatori are pals with demons and no one cares.

-Thanks to him, Hawke and the a Warden are brought back.

 

When you look at it that way, the cult of the Elder One doesn't seem like a bad option

[Asdrubael Vect]

-He's anti-Chantry and doesn't believe in the existence of the Maker.

-He's not a distant god and is ready for face to face talks.

-He supports giving the mages more freedom, since it has the Venatori as his followers.

-He's not racist.

-Thanks to him, Hawke and the a Warden are brought back.

-He's destroying Orlais Empire and kill Orlais Chantry Divine

 

damn i will by my own kill-sacrifice Cassandra, Cullen, Lelianna, Cole, Josephine and even Vivienne, Dorian, Varrick, Iron Bull, Sera without thinking if i can side with Elder One...i will enjoy helping him to do massacre in Orlais Empire

 

the only ones for who i care is elf's, dwarfes,Tal-vashots, mages, grey wardens, non-andrastians-barbarians, Tevinters, Nevarrans, Rivain and any enemys of Orlais Empire(bards and chivaliers)/Orlais Chantry/Templars/Qunari/Antivan Crowns

[CapivaRasgor]

As I said on another thread, I believe that the Elder One is an Old God - perhaps the eldest of them - and one who wasn’t mentioned in the original pantheon of seven. If not, he at least has a very close relationship with them and dragons in general.

But I have to admit that I also kinda believe that he is neither Old God, magister, elven sleeper, Corypheus, etc. As someone said above, he could be an entity that was trapped in the Golden City, which may not even be a city at all but a prison designed for the sole purpose of containing him. The taint that corrupted the place could have been derived from him, or it could have been a ward to keep intruders out.

But, well, there is one thing… if the Elder One is really an entity trapped/previously trapped in the Black City than why did it wait so long to try and take over Thedas? He could have used the First Blight on his favour or seized a chance in the years following it, when the mortal races were still too weakened to resist him. Why wait for a thousand years to enact his invasion? Was the violation of the Golden City not enough to get him out and since then he has been slowly “digging his way out”? Or was him playing a long scheming game for reasons unknown and biding his time?

I also don’t believe that he is Fen’Harel or any entity of the elven pantheon, why? The writers said that they would keep the nature of the Maker a mystery, it’s valid to assume that the same will be done with the elven pantheon, it would be a great disservice if they elaborate on one and not the other. That may be untrue in the case that Fen’Harel is not a true member of the elven pantheon but a powerful and ancient being who the elves had a specific name to –much like Flemeth/Asha’bellanar. Who knows? Fen’Harel could just be the ancient spirit of trolling.

[azarhal]

But, well, there is one thing… if the Elder One is really an entity trapped/previously trapped in the Black City than why did it wait so long to try and take over Thedas? He could have used the First Blight on his favour or seized a chance in the years following it, when the mortal races were still too weakened to resist him. Why wait for a thousand years to enact his invasion? Was the violation of the Golden City not enough to get him out and since then he has been slowly “digging his way out”? Or was him playing a long scheming game for reasons unknown and biding his time?

 

Maybe Andraste did a lot more than just kick the Tevinter Imperium's ass...

[CapivaRasgor]

Maybe Andraste did a lot more than just kick the Tevinter Imperium's ass...

Yeah.. I cant help but think that as well, but what did she do? How much did she truly knew about magical threats? Perhaps whatever it is she knew was what motivated her to march against Tevinter and the whole "bride of the Maker" thing was just a title atributed to her.

[Mistic]

But, well, there is one thing… if the Elder One is really an entity trapped/previously trapped in the Black City than why did it wait so long to try and take over Thedas? He could have used the First Blight on his favour or seized a chance in the years following it, when the mortal races were still too weakened to resist him. Why wait for a thousand years to enact his invasion? Was the violation of the Golden City not enough to get him out and since then he has been slowly “digging his way out”? Or was him playing a long scheming game for reasons unknown and biding his time?

 

The "slowly digging his way out" could be possible. I mean, whatever the Elder One is, his coming to Thedas needs another Fade Walk event like the Magisters' a thousand years ago. Very suspicious for a simple coincidence. The initial Fade Walk could have been what weakened the Black Prison and form that moment the Elder One has been preparing his return, slowly gaining strength. However, his strength isn't enough to free him. He needs help from the other side. Then, two opposite measures were taken:

 

-The prison unleashed the taint upon the world. Darkspawn magic is not related to normal magic, so there was no fear they could free the Elder One. The destruction of intelligent life in Thedas, from Old Gods to humans, is an extreme measure to avoid another Fade Walk. Problem: the Grey Wardens managed to push back the annihilation wave every time.

 

-The Elder One might have been influencing crazy cults like the Venatori to do his bidding. Problem: there have been too many structures of order that limit their actions. The original Inquisition, the Chantry and the Circle system, the empires... In the end, the Elder One's followers realized that in order to free their master, order had to be broken. Thus the conspiracies we've been finding in the last books.

 

It's just an idea, though. What I like of it is that it gives freedom to Bioware to make their own Big Bad instead of going back to "It's Fen'Harel!", "No, it's Flemeth!", "It's the OGB!", etc.

 

Yeah.. I cant help but think that as well, but what did she do? How much did she truly knew about magical threats? Perhaps whatever it is she knew was what motivated her to march against Tevinter and the whole "bride of the Maker" thing was just a title atributed to her.

 

If the Black Prison theory is true, it would all make much sense. It would mean that Thedas was doomed to destruction the moment the Fade Walk happened. If the darkspawn didn't kill them all (lucky Grey Warden bastards), other stupid Magisters would recreate the experiment or fall prey to the Elder One's machinations, and unleash the Beast onto the world. Even the Old Gods can't save humanity, since they couldn't save themselves. Maker or not, it's really as if the gods have abandoned Thedas.

 

Then a woman has a revelation. The source doesn't matter, the important thing is that she knows that humanity has to change paths or is certain doom for everyone. And the first Exalted March began.

[AresKeith]

I hope it isn't a greater pride demon

[Milan92]

I hope it isn't a greater pride demon

 

It's the anti-maker!

[Pierce Miller]

If the googly-eyed thing is Imshael, I would say maybe the blonde guy is Ser Michel - though I have no clue what he'd be doing in Warden armour. 

I think the DA series proves you can wear anyone's armour if you kill them first.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

If it is Dumat and we fail to be able to worship/join/side with him, then I cant finnish the game.

Why would my powerhungry mage Inquisitor not obey the will of his lord? It makes no sense that Dumat wouldnt want to try and persuade us - considering our powers - to betray the Inquisition and become his acolyte in a new age of terror.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

It's the anti-maker!

 

Brilliant!