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[themikefest]

I would like it to be a fight to the death against my femquisitor and just as I'm about to chop off her head, Isabela, her LI, knocks me away and grabs a hold of Hawke while crying. Seeing how pathetic a scene it is, my femquisitor tells Hawke to get lost.

[WildOrchid]

Y'all need Andraste.

[Killdren88]

Y'all need Andraste.

 

Who needs Andraste when I got the Creators.

[KaiserShep]

Who needs Andraste when I got the Creators.

 

Begone with your knife-ear gobbledegook!

[Killdren88]

Begone with your knife-ear gobbledegook!

 

Shem is just jelly of our Archery skills.

Not me but my friend wants to relay the message of

 

Bro, do you even praise the Stone?

[Toshiro M]

That would be terrible choice to make. I definitely do not want to kill Hawke. I don't appreciate this idea, but if someone really want so badly to kill a main protagonist of Dragon Age II there should be an option to do this.

[Killdren88]

That would be terrible choice to make. I definitely do not want to kill Hawke. I don't appreciate this idea, but if someone really want so badly to kill a main protagonist of Dragon Age II there should be an option to do this.

 

People really hate DA 2 to the point to where they wish for all things having to do with it dead and gone. Which makes me wonder why Varric and Cassandra and Cullen get a free pass. Would they not invoke the memories?

[Arijharn]

Your entire point conflates Act1's and Act2's Kirkwall's attitude and opinion of the Qunari when the narrative shows that there's clearly an escalation of civil unrest brought upon the Qunari's continued presence and conversions over the years.
 
What political fallout? It's a big stretch to assume that Petrice's questionable number of followers in Act1 would even be able to use her death to turn the populace against the Qun. Act1's Kirkwall's populace being successfully riled up against the Qun is not guaranteed due to the debatable levels of tension between both parties, and the competency of Petrice's followers without their leader.

And Keldor's an appropriate example of Aveline witnessing vigilante justice and Hawke slighting a high ranking official, while she can participate in the killing of Templars who were ordered to catch an apostate on Chantry ground no less. Heck, there's nothing in the narrative in regards to her portrayal that strikes down the possibility of her begrudgingly helping Hawke through either guilt or blackmail.

Aside from Petrice being plotshielded to save the Devs resources in regards to the costs of branching narratives the hypothetical reasons for Hawke not having the option to kill Petrice just seems inconsistent since no reason is given in-story.

 

1) As to your first paragraph, yes, that's my entire point. It's been an escalating point of conflict between the two. Which is exactly what I said. To many; it's the Qun vs. The Chantry, which is why murdering Petrice would be a stupid decision, especially in act 1 where Hawke is little more than a nobody, he has no political power or influence. Unless your concept of fun would be to spend some time breaking out of prison... again, cos it's not like we've ever had to break out or be sprung from a prison in any other Dragon Age game before. If you're rebutting my points, I'm not sure how agreeing with them helps your case/argument.

 

I'm sorry, but are you aware of what the concept of martyr is? It's basically taking a situation and making it far worse. Considering as you've already agreed with me that there has been an escalating amount of tension in the city between the Qun and the Chantry, someone killing someone that wears the colours of the Chantry by what could be argued as Qun sympathisers is obviously going to make the situation become worse because it'll be like a situation that would force people on the fence to 1) possibly finally decide upon a side and much worse, 2) to become militarized. Suppostion yes, but they are fanatics with a cause, because now they have a martyr, and gaming the system a bit, eventually it would come to this anyway due to the whole act 2 end anyway.

 

Mobs don't need 'leaders' with any degree of competence. All they need to be is angry and large enough to cause lasting damage. It's foolish to the extreme to assume otherwise.

 

2) Aveline may not be a paragon of virtue and order, but she is someone who believes in justice. Once again, Petrice actually hasn't done anything wrong, she is a) a person that some people are bound to respect by virtue of the fact she is of the Cloth (Keldor nor the Magistrate are). Petrice hasn't gotten her hands dirty at all, even if she's brutally honest to Hawke she isn't the one out there organizing anti-Qun protests. Aveline got her position by exposing police corruption, she isn't going to be the one who comes into investigation for corruption herself, that would be stupid. Petrice's murder would definitely warrant investigation, and Hawke is hardly the pinnacle of subtlety (even as a rogue).

[CIA]

People really hate DA 2 to the point to where they wish for all things having to do with it dead and gone. Which makes me wonder why Varric and Cassandra and Cullen get a free pass. Would they not invoke the memories?

Because they were well written, well idk why everyone loves Cassandra so much, but Varric and Cullen were some of the only likeable characters

[Killdren88]

Because they were well written, well idk why everyone loves Cassandra so much, but Varric and Cullen were some of the only likeable characters

 

But Varric was Hawke's accomplice in DA2. For the charges they are bringing up on Hawke, Varric is guilty by association. Hell, Hawke couldn't even do half the stuff in the game without Varric.

[CIA]

But Varric was Hawke's accomplice in DA2. For the charges they are bringing up on Hawke, Varric is guilty by association.

but Varric made da2 slightly bearable.

 

I didn't mind Hawke as a character, I just found it hard to beat the game with only varric and aveline in my party.

[aTigerslunch]

I prefer that they have no killings on characters.

[Killdren88]

I prefer that they have no killings on characters.

 

They won't. Don't worry. David said they wouldn't be indulging in people's Murder fantasies.

[Marshal Moriarty]

Fair enough, Hierophant. But one day, I hope you'll grasp the underlying point of 'Killing people is wrong and most people don't do it unless really pushed to it' - its kind of an important point to learn in life.

 

Seriously though, its been fun even if we don't agree. Let's shake and move on...

[powerXmad]

I like how people are relating this to real life. In DAO you could kill brother genetievia (i have no idea how to spell that) for no real reason and in DA2 you could kill that dwarf that wanted the explosive powder just because he annoyed you. You could kill nearly every party member in DAO as well. Piont is this game lets you kill people just because you don't like the way their characters voice sounds. So if someone wants to kill hawke they should have that choice (he isn't even an important character). I personally will have my murder knife ready when the time comes.

Theirs one thing DA2 got right a cool looking murder knife.

And if you don't want to kill them you don't have too. Will having the option to do it ruin the game for those of you who don't want to kill them?

[Hadeedak]

Because he looks like this

 

That's actually a plus, as far as I'm concerned...

[KaiserShep]

 (he isn't even an important character)

 

The devs pretty much have the final say on who is important or not for the story.

[Marshal Moriarty]

Can I just point out that Javaris is a suspect in a terrorist attack. You catch up with him, and yes he probably is innocent, but you don't know that for certain, and his men *did* try to kill you. You only have his word that he isn't involved, and I think we all know what's that;s worth with a man like Javaris. Remember that he did want to buy explosives. At the very least he was planning to sell it to whomever wanted them and could meet his price. But who knows - maybe it was more than that.

 

There's really no way to tell when you only have his word to go on and no real time to check. To put it another way, would you be comfortable if you heard a terror suspect had been caught, said 'I didn't do it, honest guv\ and the heroes just said 'Oh right, well off  you go then, sorry to trouble you...' He should at least be arrested, but he's obviously about to skip town and your party don't have time to be dragging him kicking and screaming back to face the music (he won't go quietly, because he's convinced everyone is out to get him), So you either trust he nothing to do with it, or assume he did and all he's doing is trying to give up the name of his confederate as a bribe to let him go. If you do suspect him of terrorism or supplying to terrorists,,I doubt anyone in the city would object to Hawke taking no chances on this.

 

Simply put, Javaris has little room to move here. He has no friends in the city to care if he dies, he was a known smuggler and crook, he had tried to obtain explosives before this, and he knows where the 'bombing' is taking place (and made no effort to warn anyone incidentally before he left). He's the definition of a nobody who won't be missed, and his crooked dealings have landed him right in the s^^t. Basically, he was a greedy fool who was perfectly willing to let the bombing go ahead so long as he managed to skip town, and IMO it would serve him right if Hawke kills him.

 

And unlike in Act 1 she can act on this. In Act 1, Hawke had neither the authority to do anything, nor the motivation to get involved (and indeed every motivation to *not* get involved). In Act 2, she has an open ended mandate from the Viscount who has charged her (if you read between the lines) to make his problems as regards the Qunari and Chantry go away. He won't give public support until the time is right, and he doesn't want any unpleasantless leading back to his office. But if Hawke is discreet and doesn't antagonize,the Qunari or Chantry... well, can;t make an omelette and all that. So whichever way you slice it, Javaris' situation is in no way comparable to Petrice from Act 1. Tacit authority from the city, motivation to do a thorough job, the fact that Javaris just ordered his men to kill her, and enough circumstantial evidence to claim you were acting in the city's best interests. All around, Javaris hasn't got a lot going for him here.

 

Just wanted to set the record straight on Javaris. He seems to get a free pass for his behavior from people, because they think he's funny. But the swine has plenty to answer for!

[aTigerslunch]

I'm trying to remember Javaris, brother of Varric?  He dies most of the time, twice lived, if that was him. I don't usually let him live.

[Aimi]

I'm trying to remember Javaris, brother of Varric?  He dies most of the time, twice lived, if that was him. I don't usually let him live.

Varric's brother is Bartrand.

Javaris Tintop is a dwarf who attempts to partner with Hawke to negotiate the formula for gunpowder manufacture from the Qunari in Act I. The negotiations fail because he didn't do his research, and he blames Hawke. (The quest also serves as Hawke's introduction to the Qunari compound.) In Act II he is implicated in a plot to steal Qunari chemicals, as a result of this earlier involvement. Hawke pursues Tintop as her only lead in the investigation, and he informs her that the actual thieves were elvish terrorists. At that point, Hawke has the option of letting Tintop go or killing him.

[aTigerslunch]

Oh that's right....oops, Thanks, I really need to restart DA2 soon, finishing up yet another DA:O in awakenings right now, since its been a year or longer for that game. Mostly to refresh my mind on who is who mostly while enjoying the game again.

 

I cant remember what I choose for him. He was an after thought I guess.

[wright1978]

Because they were well written, well idk why everyone loves Cassandra so much, but Varric and Cullen were some of the only likeable characters

 

What's a likeable character is very much open to personal interpretation. I found most of companions as likeable and the likes of Cullen rather unlikeable.

[Fredward]

Am I the only one who thought the obvious question was "Are cats really primarily made out of glitter?"

[Aimi]

Am I the only one who thought the obvious question was "Are cats really primarily made out of glitter?"

For me it was "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"

[Travie]

I humbly suggest we watch as he trips on a rock and begins to drown in a puddle (because he forgot how to get up) and have the choice of saving him or making the world a better place.