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[llandwynwyn]

If Hawke dies without a choice I'm done with DA.

[TheGusWho]

Mostly I'm just baffled at the idea of blaming a character that you control and whose choices you make over the course of the game. If Hawke is the player's avatars, then realistically all of these comments should be "it's my fault that Corypheus escaped" and "it's my fault that the mage/templar war began." Blaming the character whose decisions you make seems pretty nonsensical - and if you're blaming the character for choices that were out of the player's hands, then again, that is the fault of the creators, not the character themself.

 

It just seems like a lot of vitriol and hatred for a character who's supposed to represent you.

[Teddie Sage]

I think I played through Origins twice, completely. First time I finished it with all DLCs, then I got bored and deleted the files. Then I restarted and made the same character again and made some slight different choices here and there. Still romanced Zevran and chose no boons at the end of the story. Didn't upload that file to Dragon Age II and started a fresh playthrough on that one. I made the same playthrough twice on that one as well by deleting the first file and remaking it. Then I made a mage playthrough which I didn't finish. (Almost though, I'm at the end of the third act.)

[Teddie Sage]

If Hawke dies without a choice I'm done with DA.

Yeah, that would be quite insulting for people like me who adored their Hawkes.

[KennethAFTopp]

I am kinda sad that they're NPCs now, mainly because the plan is to have a Daelish Warden with a bone to pick with a Hawke who romanced Merill and also killed the entire clan.

[Drasanil]

 

Shepard did worse with Arrival DLC, did you want to kill him/her for what he did to the Batarians? I know I didn't. 

 

Batarians are those some sort of space children born out of wedlock? Never played Mass Effect 

 

[Teddie Sage]

 

 

 

Batarians are those some sort of space children born out of wedlock? Never played Mass Effect 

 

Google it. In other words, Shepard does a choice that affects the fate of their race in the third game.

[Drasanil]

 

Mostly I'm just baffled at the idea of blaming a character that you control and whose choices you make over the course of the game. If Hawke is the player's avatars, then realistically all of these comments should be "it's my fault that Corypheus escaped" and "it's my fault that the mage/templar war began." Blaming the character whose decisions you make seems pretty nonsensical - and if you're blaming the character for choices that were out of the player's hands, then again, that is the fault of the creators, not the character themself.

 

It just seems like a lot of vitriol and hatred for a character who's supposed to represent you.

 

Ever think a lot of that vitriol is precisely there because the character is supposed to represent 'you' but doesn't necessarily feel like 'your' character? Not only were the choices bad, and the character was iffy to begin with.  

 

 

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On a side note. Why is it people are even objecting to wanting the option to kill Hawke? Seems like something fairly reasonable to have given the controversy over her both in game and out of game. I can certainly imagine some of the puritanical Inquisitors would have plausible reasons to want to kill her for her actions alone, or lack there of, in DA2. 

 

 

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Google it. In other words, Shepard does a choice that affects the fate of their race in the third game.

 

Why would I? I don't care about ME. I was countering your point that 'Shepard is an idiot too so Hawke gets a free pass'. What Shepard did or didn't do to some aliens of indeterminate parentage has no bearing on the validity of wanting to kill Hawke for her gross negligence and incompetence. 

 

[ReadingRambo220]

Now I see her... Who is that with her? Carver? Appears to be a grey warden of some sort given the emblem on the chest. Surely not Anders???

Edit: apologies if I'm late to the party, just got here

[Teddie Sage]

 

 

 

Ever think a lot of that vitriol is precisely there because the character is supposed to represent 'you' but doesn't necessarily feel like 'your' character? Not only were the choices bad, and the character was iffy to begin with.  

 

 

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On a side note. Why is it people are even objecting to wanting the option to kill Hawke? Seems like something fairly reasonable to have given the controversy over her both in game and out of game. I can certainly imagine some of the puritanical Inquisitors would have plausible reasons to want to kill her for her actions alone, or lack there of, in DA2. 

 

 

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Why would I? I don't care about ME. I was countering your point that 'Shepard is an idiot too so Hawke gets a free pass'. What Shepard did or didn't do to some aliens of indeterminate parentage has no bearing on the validity of wanting to kill Hawke for her gross negligence and incompetence. 

 

That's not how I see Hawke so let's agree to disagree.

[TheGusWho]

 

Ever think a lot of that vitriol is precisely there because the character is supposed to represent 'you' but doesn't necessarily feel like 'your' character? Not only were the choices bad, and the character was iffy to begin with.  

 

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On a side note. Why is it people are even objecting to wanting the option to kill Hawke? Seems like something fairly reasonable to have given the controversy over her both in game and out of game. I can certainly imagine some of the puritanical Inquisitors would have plausible reasons to want to kill her for her actions alone, or lack there of, in DA2. 

 

 

It didn't occur to me, no - because it's nonsensical. It's like getting mad at a first-person narrator in a choose-your-own-adventure book because the end results of the choices you made weren't what you wanted. As for me personally I don't object - I just think it's a weird resentment to harbor for three and a half years.

[Drasanil]

It didn't occur to me, no - because it's nonsensical. It's like getting mad at a first-person narrator in a choose-your-own-adventure book because the end results of the choices you made weren't what you wanted. As for me personally I don't object - I just think it's a weird resentment to harbor for three and a half years.

 

Define 'harbor', I felt cheated by DA2 but stopped caring a long time ago. However, if they're going to bring back Hawke might as well let those of us who didn't care for her have some fun with her too

[SurelyForth]

I don't want the option to kill Hawke in Inquisition because it reduces the already slim likelihood of Hawke ever showing up again in anything else to zero. 

 

Plus, it's just kind of shitty business, I think, and dangerously close to giving into the more vociferous perceptions of DA2 as a terrible game with a murder-knife worthy protagonist. While it's ok for BW to admit that DA2 had its issues, going so far to offer up Hawke as a sacrificial lamb to the type of people who have been openly berating them since 2011 would only fuel three more years of internet commentators talking about how DA2 was so irredeemable that even BW wanted to see Hawke gone for good. 

[vethrath]

Calling it~! Hawke accidentally causes the tear in the fade.  Here is how:

 

Hawke (Male-Human-Mage) and the Warden (Female-Human-Mage) both attend the peace conference.  During the conference Hawke attempts to win the Warden's heart.  How?  Incredibly awkward conversation and the giving of inappropriate gifts. Specifically he tries to give the Warden a spoooooooooky evil looking relic that he picked up in the torture chambers of an ancient temple dedicated to a dark god.  Hawke is a smart guy--he knows the only logical thing to do when you encounter a dark relic crackling with demonic energy is to stick it in your pocket to later give to a pretty girl you are trying to woo. 

 

When Hawke holds out the gift and tries out that old, "Baby, are you an Angel because this dark amulet is pulsing with evil power and whispering about devouring the servants of Light?" line the Warden first stares in disbelief and then demands to know what this whispering dark artifact is.

 

Hawke explains, "Actually I have NO idea what it is! Only clue is that phrase someone had scratched into the wall 'I summon thee *******, dark scion of the ******. Come forth!'".  

 

The artifact shatters in to a hundred pieces, the veil rips and energy from the Fade comes rushing in.  Hawke and the Warden look at each other, knowing that they only have moments left to live.

 

Hawke leans in for a kiss.

The Warden stabs him through the heart.

[wright1978]

If Hawke dies without a choice I'm done with DA.

Agree that would anger me intensely.

[Bigbar]

Just saw the trailer YAY hawke. I really hope we can romance don't like the female characters we have so far.

[Elite Midget]

Well, if the trailer is to go by Hawke will be a temp companion for some story fights and I doubt you will have the time to even entertain killing Hawke even if you're a sick person. What with the world being in danger and Hawke being an important asset, and rallying cry figure,, and having things to do when you aren't teaming up.

 

At most you'll be able to talk to Hawke about some of the decisions that were made in DA2 before Hawke leaves to go do whatever Hawke is set on doing to help out the cause.

 

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There will be no Hawke romance(Though maybe we'll get to flirt with Hawke) as Hawke can be still in a romance during DA:I, Hawke also isn't even a permanent companion either.

[TheGusWho]

Define 'harbor', I felt cheated by DA2 but stopped caring a long time ago. However, if they're going to bring back Hawke might as well let those of us who didn't care for her have some fun with her too

 

That's where our difference is, then. And for the record, repeatedly voicing your intention to try to murder a female Hawke in your playthroughs while describing it as "having some fun with her" is how I'd define "harboring resentment."

[Gold Dragon]

Mr.House, on 13 Aug 2014 - 9:59 PM, said:

If Cory and the red lyruim are involve,d then yes. Hawke is responsible for that. You can maybe argue that Hawke didn't know the effect the red lyruim would have but there's no excuse for Cory.

 

The Wardens were planning on releasing him to either kill or control him anyway. You can't blame Hawke for that.

 

Indeed. Bethesda is famous for this kind of situation.  In TES, all quests get done, but not always by the protagonist.  If you choose not to do the Legacy DLC, then the Questline gets done by someone else.  Possibly in a different manner, but still completed.

 

So Hawke might or might not have freed Cory.  Warden Carver (I brought him along) didn't know about how the taint affects the wardens later, and I suspect that the Archdemon's ability isn't very widely known among the ranks of the Wardens, either.

 

As for the disruption among the Wardens in DA:I, I can name several other reasons besides Cory.  Cory is just the most likely.  THere's still rumors of another blight...

[KennethAFTopp]

Was the warden confirmed as back as well?

[Mr.House]

 

Mr.House, on 13 Aug 2014 - 9:59 PM, said:

 

The Wardens were planning on releasing him to either kill or control him anyway. You can't blame Hawke for that.

 

Indeed. Bethesda is famous for this kind of situation.  In TES, all quests get done, but not always by the protagonist.  If you choose not to do the Legacy DLC, then the Questline gets done by someone else.  Possibly in a different manner, but still completed.

 

Uh no. Hawke always frees and fights Cory, no matter what. It always happens. this is a canon event, confirmed by Bioware and is in the official timeline on DAI site. If Cory was not back, there would not be any need to make such an event canon let alone put it on the timeline. Put this with mind controlling going on in the wardens(which is recent), the surviving warden never returning to the wardens, all the strange stuff that happened after the battle and the achievement leak that is most likely legit . It's clear Cory is back and this is Hawkes fault for not properly making sure the situation was finished. Unless Hawkes role in this game is to counter this mistake and Hawke helps to kill Cory for good. Hawke needs to redeem herself for her mistakes that have caused alot of issues, that does not mean she should die but writing her off on everything she has done(or didn't do would be better) is also silly as she could have stopped many things from happening if she was not lazy.

 

Petrice? She's just a random mother who tried to spark a religious war and tried to get you killed, kill her and be done with it.

Anders?  Clearly unstable and should have been dealt with after he tried to kill an innocent mage

Quintin? Do a in-depth search of the factory after finding a womans finger and her phylactery pointing to that factory

Cory? Kill any wardens there to ensure nothing escapes

Talis: Kill her to get the qunari spy list

 

ect. The list goes on.

[Johnny Shepard]

I don't get how people can blame Hawke for things he didn't know about. Take Legacy. Hawke and his/her friends get trapped in a Darkspawn infested hellhole because they were investigating who was attacking the members of the Hawke family. They can't leave and are doomed to die. They find out that there is a way to escape but they have to release a dangerous creature that was slowly breaking free anyway (remember the reports that Cory would break free sooner or later no matter what) and kill it. So should they just die or do it to survive?

 

Also, Hawke reported many things to the people in charge. He told them about the list if names from Mark of the Assassins but nobody cared, still he tried to have Varric find out more.

 

I can bet the first thing he did when he found out the idol was bad (3 years after it was stolen) he reported it also with the same result. He had Varric working on finding it and was clear that it was important to do so. The same with Anders. He could never have known Anders would do what he did and Anders was a friend. But even Anders are hard to blame since he has a spirit in him that messed him up. By asking Hawke to help I think he wanted to be stopped.

 

And the thing with Peatris (or what her name was), the player can decide to report her. It's up the the player. But the Chantry wont do anything anyway.

 

The only thing you can blame him for are the choice you make in the end, to side with the Templars or the Mages. But even it doesn't matter because according to the book Asunder all the mages was killed anyway.

 

You can, however, blame Isabel, for the Qunari problem. She knew she had what the Qunari wanted and saw what was happening and still said nothing. And did nothing.

 

Was the warden confirmed as back as well?

He was hinted. One of the devs (can't remember who) said that the Warden will have a big part in the game and that we might get to see the Warden again.

[Johnny Shepard]

Forgot to say. Hawke have no way of knowing that Cory can switch body. How could he? Nobody but the Warden commanders know that the Archdemon can go over to the guy who killed it and Hawke have never faced an enemy that doesn't die when killed so how could he possible know?

[Mr.House]

I don't get how people can blame Hawke for things he didn't know about. Take Legacy. Hawke and his/her friends get trapped in a Darkspawn infested hellhole because they were investigating who was attacking the members of the Hawke family. They can't leave and are doomed to die. They find out that there is a way to escape but they have to release a dangerous creature that was slowly breaking free anyway (remember the reports that Cory would break free sooner or later no matter what) and kill it. So should they just die or do it to survive?

 

Also, Hawke reported many things to the people in charge. He told them about the list if names from Mark of the Assassins but nobody cared, still he tried to have Varric find out more.

 

I can bet the first thing he did when he found out the idol was bad (3 years after it was stolen) he reported it also with the same result. He had Varric working on finding it and was clear that it was important to do so. The same with Anders. He could never have known Anders would do what he did and Anders was a friend. But even Anders are hard to blame since he has a spirit in him that messed him up. By asking Hawke to help I think he wanted to be stopped.

 

And the thing with Peatris (or what her name was), the player can decide to report her. It's up the the player. But the Chantry wont do anything anyway.

 

The only thing you can blame him for are the choice you make in the end, to side with the Templars or the Mages. But even it doesn't matter because according to the book Asunder all the mages was killed anyway.

 

You can, however, blame Isabel, for the Qunari problem. She knew she had what the Qunari wanted and saw what was happening and still said nothing. And did nothing.

 

He was hinted. One of the devs (can't remember who) said that the Warden will have a big part in the game and that we might get to see the Warden again.

1:Except she failed to kill it.

2:Reporting things way after it's done is pointless. Hawke should have acted there instead of waiting.

3:You blame Isabela but not Petrice  or Hawke(who let Petrice go at a time she could have killed her and been done with it) who was the one who sparked the religious overtones of the conflict, seems legit.

[Mr.House]

Forgot to say. Hawke have no way of knowing that Cory can switch body. How could he? Nobody but the Warden commanders know that the Archdemon can go over to the guy who killed it and Hawke have never faced an enemy that doesn't die when killed so how could he possible know?

Larious(sp) all of a sudden being able to talk properly or the 180 in Jenekas personality is enough to raise alarm bells for anyone. You don't need ominous music and a evil smile to know that Cory is alive and using their body to get away.