Hawke killing Cory properly would've saved lives not gotten more people killed. Hawke would've been better off leaving him imprisoned and letting it eventually break rather than hastening it.
But how could Hawke have known that? As far as he knew, killing Cary would end the problem for all future. And since he was already trapped there with his friends the "leaving him imprisoned" would also mean that Hawke and his friends would starve to death or be killed by Darkspawn.
But how could Hawke have known that? As far as he knew, killing Cary would end the problem for all future. And since he was already trapped there with his friends the "leaving him imprisoned" would also mean that Hawke and his friends would starve to death or be killed by Darkspawn.
I edited to make my point more clear.
My issue is it's not even a choice. Hawke can't even try and fail. He/she takes Cory at face value and this maybe inconsistent with Hawke's earlier behavior. This is why people are blaming Hawke (well their Hawkes I assume).
Also I'm assuming leaving him imprisoned = not going there in the first place. (That or leaving after they start saying they need the blood of the Hawke for whatever. You can leave before you go into the tower at any time.
Not to mention yeah he "killed" Cory and then the GW he was with starting acting suspicious as all hell. He already knows Cory is able to manipulate the wardens in some fashion. It's the same plot induced stupidity with Tallis. If I could try to kill them but they run away with a barrier or a smoke bomb then yeah Hawke still failed but **** they tried to fix it.
I sincerely doubt that they'd bother to bring Hawke back just to rub out a past PC. Besides, it'd be a half-assed attempt to anger the fan base. If you really want to burn DA players, you'd bring back the Warden and do that. If you're going to kill what people love, kill what people love the most.
It's funny how people blame Hawke for everything while most of the stuff happening in Dragon Age II came from the companions and the NPCs. Hawke is just a survivor from the Blight who's trying to protect his family and live a happy life, then suddenly becomes involve into Kirkwall's politics once he makes himself a name. Sure he isn't the best protagonist ever, but his fate was to be glue that would stick together this group of unlikely friends and rivals up to the very end and face the start of a world of change with them. He was the prologue to Inquisition and he allowed us to see a darker, grimmer part of the Dragon Age world. I don't blame him for Corypheus at all, he didn't know any better like some people said in other posts. This is the writing team's STORY and they decide which elements will carry over to the next game. If they brought back Hawke for that specific reason, it's because him and Corypheus will be involved with an important part of Inquisition. All I hope for is an option to save Hawke and make sure he has his own happy ending after all the crap he's been through.
stop trying to kill off characters this isnt an xman movie not everyone has to die
Define 'harbor', I felt cheated by DA2 but stopped caring a long time ago. However, if they're going to bring back Hawke might as well let those of us who didn't care for her have some fun with her too
Given this thread I really don't think you stopped caring.
Larious(sp) all of a sudden being able to talk properly or the 180 in Jenekas personality is enough to raise alarm bells for anyone. You don't need ominous music and a evil smile to know that Cory is alive and using their body to get away.
Except the fact that those changes could be accounted for by the fact of Cory's influence being removed by his apparent death. Like others have said its a reach to actually blame Hawke for it.
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The key is that:
1. Petrice never attacked Hawke and as a default Hawke only kills in defence. You have to chose the aggressive way for him to attack people first. And attacking her might have been problem for Hawke. She wasn't alone in this so is she died someone would know it was Hawke and would have made sure the Chantry knew and that would be the end for Hawke's life in Kirkwall.
2. The most important reason: She was important to the story so Bioware wouldn't let us.
1. what a "default Hawke" would do is irrelevant. Hawke has the option to kill for less in many other situations, and many Hawkes take those options. If attacking her (more than justifiable for those Hawkes) was such a problem, this should have been made explicit, not only exist in your headcanon. And my Hawke really had no reason not to bugger out of the city after Act 1, anyway.
2. yes, that's the real reason. What you leave out is that it comes at the expense of Hawke's integrity as a character.
Given this thread I really don't think you stopped caring.
I did stop caring. That was until Bioware decided to pick at the proverbial scab. If they're going to fanservice back in Hawke for one part of the fan base [the part with horrible taste] then they might as well give the other [reasonable] part of the fanbase some fanservice too 
Petrice's followers are zealots - they don't need evidence to believe what they want to believe. Or many of them are very easily swayed with very little. The chantry hardliners wanted the Quanri villified, and they didn't care how it was done. The murder of a chantry sister will demand a full and proper investigation. Gangs will be keen to say it wasn't them, and the zealots could use that easily to their advantage. 'Say it was the Qunari and we lay off you' etc etc. But even just the suspicion will do - she was trying to address the Qunari 'threat' and she ended up dead. That's all the connection most will need. The Arishok himself muses with exasperation that even though he has done nothing provocative, the zealots have continually harassed and attacked them. This would be no different - Petrice's own philosophy was that 'a death' was needed. She doesn't want that death to be her own, but if she did die, her supporters would see that this 'opportunity' was not wasted.
Like it or not, even in Act 1 her status as a sister makes her very much 'someone', which she wastes no time in letting you know. Her death would not go unremarked even at this stage. The faithful are already looking for ways to excuse acts of aggression against the Qunari - she is simply one of the most daring and scheming. Killing a holy woman is no small matter, and no small crime. The idea of killing a chantry sister in cold blood (no matter how snide and conniving she is) would not sit well with most of the party. Because they'd either have severe moral objections and/or not want the massive amount of trouble that will land on them if it gets out. Killing people like Javaris is very different to killing someone like Petrice. Javaris was a greedy fool who dealth with cut-throats and bandits on a regular basis. He was a small time nobody of a merchant, who nobody would miss (Varric doesn't really know much about him, and Varric knows all the merchants and members of the city's underclass who matter). Petrice is a holy sister, advocating resistance to the Qunari in a city full of chantry supporters.
Its like in LA Noire, when Roy Earle takes you to see Mickey Cohen, the local mob boss. Roy is fairly candid that up until that point, the cops didn't much care what cohen was doing, because only blacks and small time crooks etc were being hurt (a terrible attitude, and not mine obviously). But when important white people started dying, then the cops have to be seen to be taking a stand - hence the visit to get Cohen to stop. If Petrice was to be killed, it would cause outrage, and the guards would be under pressure to find out who did it. You can well imagine that mahy would not be sorry to see the Qunari implicated, and make them a scapegoat (and frankly you'd have dropped Aveline right in it, if she was there when you murdered Petrice!)
As for witnesses, how do you know there aren't people watching? You didn't know Ser Varnell was about when you first meet Petrice either (i,e she was never really in any danger from those robbers). She and Varnell could very well have other men waiting in the wings - for all you know, she paid the gang you fight to create the illusion of a damsel in distress. I wouldn't put it past her.
Whichever way you slice it, Petrice's status as holy sister means that your killing her would be an act of suicidal stupidity. Unless you can prove she did something, you can't arrest her. And frankly, unless she comes at you with a knife or something, there is no situation in which killing her could be justified. The reactions of your party members make it plain that they consider her a utter ******, but they don't advocate murdering her for it. .
I did stop caring. That was until Bioware decided to pick at the proverbial scab. If they're going to fanservice back in Hawke for one part of the fan base [the part with horrible taste] then they might as well give the other [reasonable] part of the fanbase some fanservice too
I'd much rather have terrible taste than fantasize about murdering a character in a video game just because they didn't do everything I wanted them to do.
I'd much rather have terrible taste than fantasize about murdering a character in a video game just because they didn't do everything I wanted them to do.
Dragon Age lets you murder-knife a bunch of unrelated and largely inoffensive NPCs. I hardly see how wanting to give the same treatment to Hawke qualifies as 'fantasizing'.
Nonetheless, its good to know we both agree you have terrible taste 
Yeah, this seals DA:I being a post release buy if I get it. I'm need to see what you can and can't do with the Keep, and if what characters you can keep out the game, and which ones are forced in. I only played DA:2 once, but I'd rather keep both my PCs out the game rather than have someone speaking for them and controlling their actions.
Dragon Age lets you murder-knife a bunch of unrelated and largely inoffensive NPCs. I hardly see how wanting to give the same treatment to Hawke qualifies as 'fantasizing'.
Nonetheless, its good to know we both agree you have terrible taste
Technically, the premise of this thread would be considered fantasizing, considering that it's indulging in the idea of killing a major character in the series, for whatever reason.
The obvious difference is that the PC of each game is on a totally different level from other NPC's, unoffensive, unrelated or otherwise. In any case, I think that even presenting the option is a particularly bad idea, mainly because having this option means that the protagonist is somehow a source of opposition that would lead to it (and I'm talking about within the scope of Inquisition alone. The Inquisitor is not privy to all the details of what went on in DA2, so it really does not matter). No matter who we knifed in the previous games, there was some kind of reason, crazy or not, to do it. You killed that jerk in Lothering who was profiteering. You kill Lloyd for refusing to aid the village.You kill Brother Genitivi to keep Andraste's ashes a secret. You toss that knife at the slaver who held Feynriel hostage. You kill Javaris because his involvement caused you nothing but trouble.
Having the protagonist from a previous game at all is already tricky enough as it is without f*cking around driving them into giving the Inquisitor a reason to kill him/her for sake of "fan service", which is an ironic term, since this would very clearly favor the side that dislikes the previous game.
Dragon Age lets you murder-knife a bunch of unrelated and largely inoffensive NPCs. I hardly see how wanting to give the same treatment to Hawke qualifies as 'fantasizing'.
Nonetheless, its good to know we both agree you have terrible taste
I'll manage to live with your poor opinion of me.
Marshal Moriarty Petrice's fanatics will still need evidence to implicate the Qun or Hawke in her death besides hearsay especially in Lowtown after dark of all places.
Why would fanatics need evidence to implicate anything? All it really takes is enough of the devout crazies to assume the same thing, and suddenly the evidence manifests itself from their collective derrieres.
Knowing how BSN operates I was expecting "Can we Romance Him/her?" Heh..how egotistical would one need to be to romance themselves.
You guys do know Hawke killed people for less so killing someone on a valid assumption, and a corrupt priest is hardly an issue and not everyone considered Anders a friend?
No, Hawke didn't. Not everyone plays a psycopathic killer.
All these hipsters making threads about killing popular characters just so they can be different 
All these hipsters making threads about killing popular characters just so they can be different
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