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[LPPrince]

If the OPTION presents itself to kill/get rid of Hawke permanently

 

I'm taking it

[Drasanil]

Is perfectly ok if you dislike Hawke & want him/her dead, is your own opinion afterall, just gets insulting when you imply that anyone who dares not to agree with you is some kind of idiot with bad taste

 

It's no less insulting than people putting out serious walls of texts explaining why I have to like Hawke and that I just don't appreciate Bioware's 'vision'. Let alone insinuating I'm deranged for not liking her, as was the case of the person I accused of having terrible taste. Or that somehow even asking for the option (note: my OP was can kill, not must kill) to get rid of her is somehow a crime against them on par with running over their puppy and stealing their tricycle.

 

...all that said, am I ever glad I didn't start a romance thread. Otherwise it could have really gotten really ugly

[aTigerslunch]

I would love to have Hawke around, one of the Hawkes that I played was as evil as I could make them, thereby one Inquisitor may kill that one.

 

I would rather keep the killing away, personally. It can cause headaches to Devs and best to keep away from.

[Sidney]

I really love this attitude of: you played DA2 therefor Hawke is yours and you absolutely must feel some attachment to her because I did.

 

Hawke is not 'my' PC. I don't feel any sense of attachment to her, as far as I am concerned she's pretty much a glorified [and annoying] NPC companion that I was unable to get rid of. Hopefully I'll get the chance to do so in DAI.

 

I don't care that you feel any attachment. I find it mind boggling, and please spare me the "explanations" because I could not care less,  that you think you had more control over the Warden than Hawke.

[TheGusWho]

What's truly bizarre about your repeated hopes about killing Hawke is that you exclusively refer to the female version and talk about killing her, how much she's not everything you wanted in a self-insert PC. Hawke's gender is entirely dependent on your choices - if you keep going on and on about how you're going to choose a female Hawke in the Keep and then plot to murder her the entire game, it comes across as more than a little creepy.

[KaiserShep]

It's no less insulting than people putting out serious walls of texts explaining why I have to like Hawke and that I just don't appreciate Bioware's 'vision'. Let alone insinuating I'm deranged for not liking her, as was the case of the person I accused of having terrible taste. Or that somehow even asking for the option (note: my OP was can kill, not must kill) to get rid of her is somehow a crime against them on par with running over their puppy and stealing their tricycle.

...all that said, am I ever glad I didn't start a romance thread. Otherwise it could have really gotten really ugly

As I pointed out previously, the really big problem with having this option is that the option itself does not exist in a vacuum. Context is key. Basically, the Inquisitor will have to have a reason why this character must be killed, and in doing so, getting this option would very likely be the result of circumstances that lead to the possible slaying of the former PC. That's fine and good for people that don't like the character, but it seems like it would be a slight against those that do.

For good measure, shouldn't we be able to kill the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian Warden too? I see no reason to discriminate. Kill everything, because we can.

[MetalGear312]

This is rather morbid.

[aTigerslunch]

I am wondering, who would still be alive if those that want killing sprees got to kill everyone?  

 

 

 

I hope they just walk away and can't be killed from now on.

[Drasanil]

What's truly bizarre about your repeated hopes about killing Hawke is that you exclusively refer to the female version and talk about killing her, how much she's not everything you wanted in a self-insert PC. Hawke's gender is entirely dependent on your choices - if you keep going on and on about how you're going to choose a female Hawke in the Keep and then plot to murder her the entire game, it comes across as more than a little creepy.

 

The only Hawke I finished a play through with was a female mage, so as far as I am concerned Hawke is a 'she'. With regards to my 'complaint', being able to make a character your own and playing a self-insert aren't the same things. The first is having enough leeway to make a character feel as much like a product of your work and imagination as the developers, while the latter is playing a character as if they were you.

 

I don't care that you feel any attachment. I find it mind boggling, and please spare me the "explanations" because I could not care less,  that you think you had more control over the Warden than Hawke.

 

Well that would be a great rebuttal...except for the fact your point is demonstrably false. I'd explain why but you already said you didn't care

[Arijharn]

Blaming Hawke for Corypheus is in all honesty, absolutely daft. Now I'm sorry if that ruffles some feathers, but it's a critical failure in logic because it doesn't obey something like an order of operation and it makes a gross amount of assumptions using knowledge that Hawke is not privy too. It's truly putting the cart before the horse.

a) Corypheus' ability of Assuming Direct Control over those tainted by Darkspawn blood (including the Grey Wardens themselves) is a complete unknown to Hawke and co. Not even the Warden or Alistair knew about the Archdemon's ability to do so until that bad ass Orlesian? Warden told them so (his name temporarily escapes me) in the later stages of Origins, in fact, so late that it was pretty much the final scene before they marched on the darkspawn horde invading Denerium iirc (failing of course the Ritual etc, etc).

Larius at least gives as a plausible solution as any of why he is able to suddenly think correctly (I'm willing to conceed Janeka, only because I have never ever sided with her) at the end of the crisis. Remember Hawke didn't see the sudden change come over him because Larius' back was pointed to him/her (unless you are claiming that you can see someone's facial expressions when their head is pointed away from you, in which case I believe I should call you out on your bull.) and when Corypheus actually died he was no where near Larius either (who was out by the door). Given that your Hawke is hardly an expert on all things Warden you have no basis to refute anything he says. Neither Anders nor Hawke sibling is any better either (being either a Templar/Mage or a fresh (or relatively fresh) faced Warden recruit).

c) Sword/Dagger to the head, or however glorious blow that Hawke deals to Corypheus was a mortal wound, and as I'm sure you realise, Death is usually pretty damn final in general principle. 

 

As to Petrice, you can actually notify the powers that be. Killing Petrice would just create a martyr, which is one thing that the powder-keg that is Kirkwall doesn't require.

 

Blaming Hawke for Corypheus makes as much sense as blaming Quon's wife for being too beautiful to Quon.

[JeffZero]

I certainly don't blame Hawke, but I do feel as though, as terrific as Legacy was, having Hawke present as yet another unresolved crisis is unleashed upon Thedas was probably not the best route to take with a character already infamous for being present as unresolved crises are unleashed upon Thedas.

I only played the Dragon Age games at the start of this year, and I honestly did not even realize Corypheus wasn't out for the count at first blush. Given how the protagonist's journey had been going for them thus far in my file (I did the DLCs near the start of Act III) I was pretty happy there for a few minutes thinking, "well, at least we took care of that thing for good and all." Then someone in my playthrough thread made me realize how oblivious I was and dang it all, nevermind that thought pattern.

Oh well. It's still a great DLC and I look forward to seeing its continuation in Inquisition. But... bah. That's just how I feel about the Corypheus angle.

[The Hierophant]

As to Petrice, you can actually notify the powers that be. Killing Petrice would just create a martyr, which is one thing that the powder-keg that is Kirkwall doesn't require.

iirc you can't notify Elthina after the 'Shepherding Wolves' quest, while even though Act1 Kirkwall was a crime ridden dump it wasn't a powder keg ready to explode. Unlike Acts 2 & 3.

Petrice becoming a martyr for anti Qun sentiment is debatable since it would require the people of Kirkwall to be agitated with the Qunari's continued presence and, conversion of the Chantry faithful. But that doesn't happen until the 2nd timeskip and Act2. It just seems off to equate the general public's opinions of the Qun in Act1 & 2 when they are different.

Plus iirc, Act1 Petrice wasn't a well known public figure while the number of her zealots, and the scope of her influence are dubious. It would be a stretch to assume that she'll automatically be made a martyr.

[Travie]

He/she was a mediocre character in what was (on the whole) a pretty average-to-bad game. Killing him/her would be a metaphorical killing of dragon age 2 and all the bad memories associated with it. 

 

Please Bioware, fans need this catharsis. 

[BloodyTalon]

I wouldn't kill most of my pro-templars hawke, now some of the pr-mage ones maybe!

So hopefully there is an option to kill Hawke and take their stuff.

Even if it may upset poor Varric.

Still think Hawke might get killed by Blinky though.

So good questions OP it had to be asked.

[Killdren88]

He/she was a mediocre character in what was (on the whole) a pretty average-to-bad game. Killing him/her would be a metaphorical killing of dragon age 2 and all the bad memories associated with it. 

 

Please Bioware, fans need this catharsis. 

 

While it's nothing compared to Origins, for what it was..it was decent enough. But in your metaphorical killing of DA2, should that also apply to the other DA2 characters that are remotely associated with the game? Varric, Cassandra, Cullen, Leliana, and other potential characters from DA2? Shouldn't they also die to make the all the bad memories go away?

[powerXmad]

I don't hate hawke because I dislike DA2. I dislike DA2 because I hate hawke. Hawke is not the only one, but he is still responsible. And he was an idiot.
Hawke: I should kill you( aggressive option)
Petrice: no thanks( walks around hawke and out the door)
This is the prime example of why I hate hawke. My warden would have never allowed that s***.


I would kill hawke because I hate him and because it dose make sense for the inquisitor to want him dead. He was at the heart of it and he is the symbol of the war for either the mages or the templars.

[Killdren88]

I don't hate hawke because I dislike DA2. I dislike DA2 because I hate hawke. Hawke is not the only one, but he is still responsible. And he was an idiot.
Hawke: I should kill you( aggressive option)
Petrice: no thanks( walks around hawke and out the door)
This is the prime example of why I hate hawke. My warden would have never allowed that s***.


I would kill hawke because I hate him and because it dose make sense for the inquisitor to want him dead. He was at the heart of it and he is the symbol of the war for either the mages or the templars.

 

But it was Anders who finally ignited the war. Hawke wasn't the one who rigged the Chantry to blow. And depending on the world state, He who was responsible may already be dead...but if he was spared, he should be the one you want to kill. Only reason Hawke should be a priority would be if they get in the way of that.

[Arijharn]

iirc you can't notify Elthina after the 'Shepherding Wolves' quest, while even though Act1 Kirkwall was a crime ridden dump it wasn't a powder keg ready to explode. Unlike Acts 2 & 3. Petrice becoming a martyr for anti Qun sentiment is debatable since it would require the people of Kirkwall to be agitated with the Qunari's continued presence and, conversion of the Chantry faithful. But that doesn't happen until the 2nd timeskip and Act2. It just seems off to equate the general public's opinions of the Qun in Act1 & 2 when they are different. Plus iirc, Act1 Petrice wasn't a well known public figure while the number of her zealots, and the scope of her influence are dubious. It would be a stretch to assume that she'll automatically be made a martyr.

 

While it may be true that Petrice over-estimated the seriousness of the Qun influence, it was serious enough for the Viscount to be concerned about appearances throughout both Act 1 and Act 2. The sad thing about being a fanatic though is that you don't require 'proof' or anything like that to set them off, they're fanatics and since when has common sense ever stopped their kind?

 

Where it not for Grand Cleric Elthina herself essentially covering up Petrice's death prior to the ending of Act 2 (I'm just inferring that because she continues to walk away while Petrice is shocked that she got an arrow to her chest and was waiting for the one in the head), anything to do with the chantry vs the qun would have been a powerkeg. It's not so much that it was Petrice or whatever level of influence she herself could claim, it would be the fact that she wore the uniform of a chantry sister who was executed by the Qun (or, in your example; by an unlawful Hawke that some may suspect had Qun sympathies, even if it wasn't true, the mob is stupid and will believe anything if it could make some sense to someone else). That's not to say that I don't also wish that I could execute her then, but it wouldn't be anything to do with lawful until some serious evidence starts accumulating. Aveline herself would have to lock you up.

[Dova]

I would love to have Hawke around, one of the Hawkes that I played was as evil as I could make them, thereby one Inquisitor may kill that one.

Inquisitor: I heard what you did in Kirkwall and your years there. You understand I gotta kill you now right?

[KaiserShep]

I would kill hawke because I hate him and because it dose make sense for the inquisitor to want him dead. He was at the heart of it and he is the symbol of the war for either the mages or the templars.

 

Hate aside, to follow logic, the Inquisitor would have to be ignorant of the facts, or simply be willfully ignorant. Hawke may be a symbol and was at the heart of it all, but at the same time, Hawke was not the one that actually started the war in the first place. For one, the Circle was already being treated like a prison well before Hawke's family got there, and being a refugee with only his/her family in tow, he/she was certainly not responsible for Anders coming to the city. With or without Hawke's involvement, the Chantry would have been destroyed, and the Circle would have been annulled. Heck, well before The Last Straw, we can learn that Meredith was already petitioning to have the Right of Annulment invoked even before things went critical. Even in Dragon Age: Awakenings, the mage vs. Templar issue was heating up, which we can learn a little more about if we talk to Wynne in the City of Amaranthine. It was only a matter of time.

 

In any case, this doesn't really account for the fact that Hawke's path is not completely fixed, so some events can happen in meaningfully different ways.

[TheGusWho]

It's no less insulting than people putting out serious walls of texts explaining why I have to like Hawke and that I just don't appreciate Bioware's 'vision'. Let alone insinuating I'm deranged for not liking her, as was the case of the person I accused of having terrible taste. Or that somehow even asking for the option (note: my OP was can kill, not must kill) to get rid of her is somehow a crime against them on par with running over their puppy and stealing their tricycle.

 

...all that said, am I ever glad I didn't start a romance thread. Otherwise it could have really gotten really ugly

 

Wow, just noticed this, and dude - you read waaaaaaaaaay too much into what I said. Plus I find it hilarious that you got so offended by my responses to your posts that you decided to make it about you as a person, not about what you were saying. I didn't insinuate anything; I pointed out that your behavior was disturbing. If someone calls out what you're doing as a problem and your immediate reaction is to get offended? You might want to reevaluate a little.

 

I still think the things you've said about wanting to murder the female Hawke in this thread are creepy as all get-out. But hey, that's what the block function is for; I suggest you start using it on me.

[The Hierophant]

While it may be true that Petrice over-estimated the seriousness of the Qun influence, it was serious enough for the Viscount to be concerned about appearances throughout both Act 1 and Act 2. The sad thing about being a fanatic though is that you don't require 'proof' or anything like that to set them off, they're fanatics and since when has common sense ever stopped their kind?

But the issue is still the scope Petrice's influence in Act1 versus all the potential influence, and fanatics she's obtained during the timeskip before Act2. While her hypothetical death in crime central Lowtown versus the Qunari occupied dock would require some serious explaining as to why the Qunari military would target a single unremarkable Chantry sister, and risk giving away Petrice's plan. Hawke being investigated for the murders seems more likely than Kirkwall's city officials taking a few rumors seriously.
 

Where it not for Grand Cleric Elthina herself essentially covering up Petrice's death prior to the ending of Act 2 (I'm just inferring that because she continues to walk away while Petrice is shocked that she got an arrow to her chest and was waiting for the one in the head), anything to do with the chantry vs the qun would have been a powerkeg. It's not so much that it was Petrice or whatever level of influence she herself could claim, it would be the fact that she wore the uniform of a chantry sister who was executed by the Qun (or, in your example; by an unlawful Hawke that some may suspect had Qun sympathies, even if it wasn't true, the mob is stupid and will believe anything if it could make some sense to someone else). That's not to say that I don't also wish that I could execute her then, but it wouldn't be anything to do with lawful until some serious evidence starts accumulating. Aveline herself would have to lock you up.

Elthina covering for the Qunari's execution of Petrice on Chantry grounds is an Act2 event which happened because public opinion and civil unrest towards the Qunari was negative. The Qunari overstayed their welcome and converted Chantry faithful. Act1 had none of that. I wouldn't be surprised if an Act1 mob was instead formed because of the influx of Ferelden refugees.

Plus Aveline arresting Hawke is debatable. Hawke saved her life outside of Lothering while she got her promotion through their assistance. In Anders' first quest she could potentially participate in trespassing the Chantry after dark, and kill a platoon of Templars (shady). Then there's her witnessing of Kelder's potential execution, despite the Magistrate wanting him alive, and her potential participation in a smuggling mission. Aveline could potentially fall victim to blackmail or feel indebted to Hawke and probably overlook his murder of Petrice and Varnell. Heck if she's not in the party at the time she only has hearsay to go on when investigating, and we know how that went for Emeric when he initially investigated Gascard DuPuis.

I doubt Hawke killing Petrice would've stopped her plan since the writers could have someone like that Crazy Elf chick in Act2 pick up the slack, but Hawke having the option to neutralize a clear threat would've been nice.

[Rogue Unit]

why do people wanna kill their previous characters so much?

Three years worth of salty tears.

[Dabrikishaw]

As I pointed out previously, the really big problem with having this option is that the option itself does not exist in a vacuum. Context is key. Basically, the Inquisitor will have to have a reason why this character must be killed, and in doing so, getting this option would very likely be the result of circumstances that lead to the possible slaying of the former PC. That's fine and good for people that don't like the character, but it seems like it would be a slight against those that do.

For good measure, shouldn't we be able to kill the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian Warden too? I see no reason to discriminate. Kill everything, because we can.

This. I agree with being able the kill the Warden as well.