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[Master Warder Z_]

You think he placed speakers all over thedas in order for everyone to hear him?

 

I'd do that if i was the big bad.

 

...I would declare my dominion over Thedas via loud speaker in one dramatic pronouncement.

[Cainhurst Crow]

"Tell me, child. Where is your maker now? Your fabled ancestors? Your revered gods? Call to them, and call their wrath upon me...you can not, because they do not exist."

[Master Warder Z_]

"Tell me, child. Where is your maker now? Your fabled ancestors? Your revered gods? Call to them, and call their wrath upon me...you can not, because they do not exist."

 

And a Dwarf would be like

 

"Come at me bro...All my Ancestors were real!"

 

Because apparently the Shaperate still has lineage records going back to the days of the Empire...

[Spicen]

"Tell me, child. Where is your maker now? Your fabled ancestors? Your revered gods? Call to them, and call their wrath upon me...you can not, because they do not exist."

sounds like the dragon has a grudge against everyone. what a crybaby

[Icy Magebane]

"Tell me, child. Where is your maker now? Your fabled ancestors? Your revered gods? Call to them, and call their wrath upon me...you can not, because they do not exist."

That would have been a pretty good alternative...

[Cainhurst Crow]

sounds like the dragon has a grudge against everyone. what a crybaby

 

You would to if you were that ugly. Probably got teased by all the other handsome partheons and has been bearing that grudge ever since.

 

Course it wouldn't be the first time a demon decided to mock the maker. Remember the orphanage and the rage demon in DAO?

[Spicen]

And a Dwarf would be like

"Come at me bro...All my Ancestors were real!"

Because apparently the Shaperate still has lineage records going back to the days of the Empire...

i dont think the dragon has so much time for social niceties.

[Master Warder Z_]

You would to if you were that ugly. Probably got teased by all the other handsome partheons and has been bearing that grudge ever since.

 

Course it wouldn't be the first time a demon decided to mock the maker. Remember the orphanage and the rage demon in DAO?

 

Poor Ser Otto...

 

:'(

[Spicen]

You would to if you were that ugly. Probably got teased by all the other handsome partheons and has been bearing that grudge ever since.

Course it wouldn't be the first time a demon decided to mock the maker. Remember the orphanage and the rage demon in DAO?

gives me more a reason to believe that the maker exists. however, the maker is also a big crybaby

[Master Warder Z_]

i dont think the dragon has so much time for social niceties.

 

Pfft i'd be surprised if we weren't given at least four separate chances to converse with the elder one through out the game, DA games tend to involve trends with the Protagonist/ Antagonist relationship, and that is usually built up by discourse and interaction.

 

Then again maybe i am giving them to much credit, maybe the Elder pops up all of the one time directly and is just the final boss... would be the first time they did with that with a sentient being though...the big dragon in DAO made sense.

[Icy Magebane]

Course it wouldn't be the first time a demon decided to mock the maker. Remember the orphanage and the rage demon in DAO?

I was actually playing DA:O the other day and went through that quest... I wonder if it was telling the truth?  Would a rage demon have any desire to lie about the Maker in the first place?  It makes me wonder how often they say such things to mortals, and how the Chantry manages to keep that a secret.

 

Oh, and let me make sure I'm not off-topic here, because I hate doing that... ah... the devs have stated repeatedly that we are not beholden to the Chantry.  If other people assume we worship the Maker, it's just something I'll ignore (you can probably give an opinion on the matter one way or the other, but not to a Boss)... I don't think they went through the trouble of catering dialogue to every potential Inquisitor, but you never know.

[Feybrad]

If my Character is asked about the Maker, I want the Word "Struggle" to be used. Because then, I could quote every Qunari ever.

 

"Struggle is an Illusion. The Tide rises, the Tide falls, but the Sea is changeless. There is nothing to struggle against. Victory is in the Qun. ... B*tch!"

[Spicen]

Poor Ser Otto...

:'(

one of few templars that actually did his duty rather than mad power grab.
#meredith.
one side ques. i heard templars began using red lyrium, is it true?

[Cainhurst Crow]

I was actually playing DA:O the other day and went through that quest... I wonder if it was telling the truth?  Would a rage demon have any desire to lie about the Maker in the first place? 

 

To make the templar angry.

[Master Warder Z_]

one of few templars that actually did his duty rather than mad power grab.

 

Eh...So far we have had one templar, who interfered into the realm of politics.

 

So one of the few in the sense that there has only been one, and that statement indicates its a majority stance...makes no sense.

 

Beyond that this is off topic, the quest just reminded me of Otto.

[Icy Magebane]

To make the templar angry.

Rage demons aren't known for being very sophisticated.  I'm not sure if it would have considered lying, but you may be right.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Rage demons aren't known for being very sophisticated.  I'm not sure if it would have considered lying, but you may be right.

 

Way I saw it rage demons are privy to all forms of rage, just as desire demons seem to be privy to all types of desires people have, not just sexual. Mockery is one of the simplest and common things that induce rage, so why not use it?

[Spicen]

Rage demons aren't known for being very sophisticated. I'm not sure if it would have considered lying, but you may be right.

propaganda. if it is easier to get ur prey by destroying their faith then do so.
the rage demon wudnt have bothered if the maker didnt exist

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, staying on topic. Since Andrastism is the prominent religion of this setting, it makes sense that many characters you encounter just assume that you're a practitioner or interested in hearing their spiel. Dwarf and Elven Wardens got hit with it hard in DA:O, particularly by Chantry priests.

 

I don't mind characters assuming my character is Andrastian, just as long as I have the option to say words to the effect of, "Not my god." A race-specific one (maybe dwarves mentioning the Stone and/or Ancestors, Dalish the Creators, and Vashoth... whatever they believe in) would just be an added bonus.

 

I imagine that might be the case for the Dwarven protagonist (given the presence of surface dwarves in Andrastian society), but it would be rather odd to have most people assume a Dalish elf with vallaslin, or a horned Vashoth, are practitioners of the Andrastian faith. You'd have to be rather narrow-minded to assume that everyone was Andrastian (although that didn't stop some people in Origins, of course). If any Andrastian did make the mistake, I'd certainly hope the protagonist could correct them about following the Ancestors, the Creators, or being atheist.

[Samahl]

propaganda. if it is easier to get ur prey by destroying their faith then do so.
the rage demon wudnt have bothered if the maker didnt exist

The Maker's existence is unfalsifiable (as far as we know), so it doesn't matter either way. He would've gotten just as angry if the Maker didn't exist.

Anyway, just as she'll reject the title of "Herald of Andraste", Revas will adamantly insist her religious beliefs be respected, and not erased by the pervasiveness of Andrastianism.

If she can, anyway. I hope BioWare lets us be outspoken in that regard.

[Spicen]

I imagine that might be the case for the Dwarven protagonist (given the presence of surface dwarves in Andrastian society), but it would be rather odd to have most people assume a Dalish elf with vallaslin, or a horned Vashoth, are practitioners of the Andrastian faith. You'd have to be rather narrow-minded to assume that everyone was Andrastian (although that didn't stop some people in Origins, of course). If any Andrastian did make the mistake, I'd certainly hope the protagonist could correct them about following the Ancestors, the Creators, or being atheist.

i think that generally things will be like in dao where if ur a human, it is assumed u believe the maker. anything else, they will behave differently.
btw, i think the dialogue of the dragon will be same for all races because the maker is his enemy who Locked him up. my 2 cents tho

[Spicen]

The Maker's existence is unfalsifiable (as far as we know), so it doesn't matter either way. He would've gotten just as angry if the Maker didn't exist.

Anyway, just as she'll reject the title of "Herald of Andraste", Revas will adamantly insist her religious beliefs be respected, and not erased by the pervasiveness of Andrastianism.

If she can, anyway. I hope BioWare lets us be outspoken in that regard.

altho its set in the middle age where sacrilage and apostacy are taboo, i think BW wont deny the players speaking against the chantry

[Icy Magebane]

Way I saw it rage demons are privy to all forms of rage, just as desire demons seem to be privy to all types of desires people have, not just sexual. Mockery is one of the simplest and common things that induce rage, so why not use it?

Yeah, I see where you're coming from.  That might have been the case... after all, the writers have gone to great lengths to avoid saying whether or not the Maker was real.  It wouldn't make much sense to have this demon spill the beans.  Guess this is a lesson for me:  never underestimate the intelligence of a demon!  xD

[LobselVith8]

The Maker's existence is unfalsifiable (as far as we know), so it doesn't matter either way. He would've gotten just as angry if the Maker didn't exist.

 

Yeah, I imagine the rage demon was focused on antagonizing Ser Otto. Justice did mention that spirits don't know what the truth is in regards to creation or creators (in the scene where the culturally Andrastian Warden-Commander could say that he didn't believe in the Maker).

 

Anyway, just as she'll reject the title of "Herald of Andraste", Revas will adamantly insist her religious beliefs be respected, and not erased by the pervasiveness of Andrastianism.

If she can, anyway. I hope BioWare lets us be outspoken in that regard.

 

Yeah, I imagine there could be plenty of reasons why the Dwarven, Vashoth, and Dalish protagonist could reject being seen as a religious figure of the Maker or Andraste, especially if people or a malevolent force (like the one in the trailer) assumed the protagonist was Andrastian. It would also be interesting if the Dwarven and Dalish protagonist could say they were a Herald of the Ancestors or the Creators as one of the responses.