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[Spicen]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. That might have been the case... after all, the writers have gone to great lengths to avoid saying whether or not the Maker was real. It wouldn't make much sense to have this demon spill the beans. Guess this is a lesson for me: never underestimate the intelligence of a demon! xD

well the demon was more keen to kill the templar then feed of his anger, so maybe not.
anway rage deoms arent intelligent, at all. so says the codex. are you denying the codex?

[Icy Magebane]

well the demon was more keen to kill the templar then feed of his anger, so maybe not.
anway rage deoms arent intelligent, at all. so says the codex. are you denying the codex?

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Look, I'm trying to be diplomatic here.  The bottom line is that I don't know if it was lying or not, so I can't say who's right and who's wrong.  You do understand the concept of compromise, yes?

[LobselVith8]

i think that generally things will be like in dao where if ur a human, it is assumed u believe the maker. anything else, they will behave differently.

 

The culturally Andrastian Warden could say that he (or she) didn't believe in the Maker, in Origins and Awakening. I hope, for players who will roll with a human Inquisitor, that the same freedom is provided to them.

 

btw, i think the dialogue of the dragon will be same for all races because the maker is his enemy who Locked him up. my 2 cents tho

 

I'm doubtful the Maker is going to be said to be real, given what the developers have said in the past. That dialogue seems to be directed at someone who believes in the Maker, which should only apply to someone who could conceivably be religiously Andrastian.

[Spicen]

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Look, I'm trying to be diplomatic here. The bottom line is that I don't know if it was lying or not, so I can't say who's right and who's wrong. You do understand the concept of compromise, yes?

you understand being funny right?
when i said"are you denying the codex?" i was trying to be funny

[Icy Magebane]

you understand being funny right?
when i said"are you denying the codex?" i was trying to be funny

lol... whoops, my fault.  I thought you were some kind of lore hardliner. 

[Spicen]

The culturally Andrastian Warden could say that he (or she) didn't believe in the Maker, in Origins and Awakening. I hope, for players who will roll with a human Inquisitor, that the same freedom is provided to them.


I'm doubtful the Maker is going to be said to be real, given what the developers have said in the past. That dialogue seems to be directed at someone who believes in the Maker, which should only apply to someone who could conceivably be religiously Andrastian.

i used to choose those options to troll the priests. and threatening that lothering mother was precious. but my warden was a believervof teh maker

the devs said that they will not reveal the true nature of the maker and we dont know yet if the dialogues are going to be diff. i gave an opinion and im backing it for now

[Spicen]

lol... whoops, my fault. I thought you were some kind of lore hardliner.

apart from my opinion on a few things(see the elder one worship thread) im not really a hardliner regarding anything in da

[Mistic]

It would be strange for the Dalish, but on the other hand they're pretty good at hiding from human society, so most people don't really know what Dalish look like. I imagine most people would just assume the Dalish Inquisitor was a city elf with funny tattoos and/or armor that's too good for your station. (My Elven Wardens got some disparaging comments for being dressed too well in DAO.) I don't know what the Herald's excuse is, but you never know...

 

That is definitely true. The humans that recognize the Warden as Dalish are the ones who were warned beforehand (Alistair and Cailan by Duncan, Loghain by Cailan). A very funny moment happens in Witch Hunt when the Templar Hadley tries to be clever and warns the Warden that Ariane is Dalish... only for the Warden to remind him that he/she is Dalish too

 

Even the elves don't fare much better. The Dalish of course recognize one of them, but apart from Berwick in Redcliff (who as a spy should be more knowledgeable), no City Elf is able to point out that the Warden is Dalish.

[LobselVith8]

It would be strange for the Dalish, but on the other hand they're pretty good at hiding from human society, so most people don't really know what Dalish look like. I imagine most people would just assume the Dalish Inquisitor was a city elf with funny tattoos and/or armor that's too good for your station. (My Elven Wardens got some disparaging comments for being dressed too well in DAO.) I don't know what the Herald's excuse is, but you never know...

 

You make a good point; most clans do tend to avoid human populations, so some might not know what a Dalish elf looks like. Your elven Warden wasn't alone; I remember the quartermaster wondering why my Surana Warden was wearing those "funny" clothes.

 

While the devs have said we aren't beholden to the Chantry, there are a lot of avid Chantry supporters within our group - Leliana, Cassandra, Cullen, pro-Circle Vivienne - and it does seem to give off a religious vibe. Lots of powerful Andrastian humans trying to pick up the mess that is the shattered Chantry. Even if the Inquisition doesn't have ties to the Chantry, you still have Chantry supporters in it. The Herald might be taunting the Inquisitor about siding with people who side with the Chantry, and thus see you as one of them. "Where is your Maker now?" being an obvious jab at working with people who believe in and possibly support the Maker.

 

That's my take so far.

 

I'm hoping the story takes a step back from that approach. It doesn't need to feel as though the racial background and outlook of the protagonist is marginalized simply because of the views held by the Andrastian companions.

[Star fury]

Elves can believe in Maker, city elves most certainly. Yeah, dwarves could be a trouble but even they had one monk who could have been pretty successful with his church in Orzammar.

[Mikoto8472]

I for one tend to wish what we get to reply to the elder one thusly.

 

"I know, I know." *Draws sword/shield/knives/bow/whatever.* "Its not his wrath you should be worried about."

[Icy Magebane]

Elves can believe in Maker, city elves most certainly. Yeah, dwarves could be a trouble but even they had one monk who could have been pretty successful with his church in Orzammar.

Well, the dwarven Inquisitor is supposedly a surfacer, so they're probably covered... I think the Dalish is the only version that worships someone other than the Maker by default.  A Vashoth could have easily been raised to believe in the Maker (in fact, I'm counting on that when I eventually make a qunari Templar), but I'm not sure about the specifics of that origin...

[Master Shiori]

I'm hoping the story takes a step back from that approach. It doesn't need to feel as though the racial background and outlook of the protagonist is marginalized simply because of the views held by the Andrastian companions.

I can see the racial background of the protagonist having an impact on npcs and the story to a degree, but I can't see why the protagonist's religious views would matter. Not unless religion itself was a big thing in Inquisition, which I doubt it will be.

 

Some companions might ask you about your background or even your beliefs, but I doubt you'll get the chance to regularly engage in theological debates with everyone you run across.

[Aolbain]

I doubt he is the sort of guy that respects your cultural identity.

[LobselVith8]

Well, the dwarven Inquisitor is supposedly a surfacer, so they're probably covered... I think the Dalish is the only version that worships someone other than the Maker by default.  A Vashoth could have easily been raised to believe in the Maker (in fact, I'm counting on that when I eventually make a qunari Templar), but I'm not sure about the specifics of that origin...

 

I hope the player is the one who decides what the Dwarven protagonist believes in. As for the Vashoth, it's possible there could be a qunari community, perhaps made up of (mostly) Tal-Vashoth.

[Star fury]

Well, the dwarven Inquisitor is supposedly a surfacer, so they're probably covered... I think the Dalish is the only version that worships someone other than the Maker by default.  A Vashoth could have easily been raised to believe in the Maker (in fact, I'm counting on that when I eventually make a qunari Templar), but I'm not sure about the specifics of that origin...

Or devs can change Just one line in a dialog, swap Maker with God and everything is covered.

[Icy Magebane]

I doubt he is the sort of guy that respects your cultural identity.

Yeah, this actually sums up my thoughts pretty well.

[Urazz]

We have no clue the context of the bad guys monologue.  He could be talking to a group of people, he could just be talking to the Inquisitor, who knows, only BioWare does.

 

But if it is one on one with a Dwarf/Elf/Qunari, I can't see it mentioning The Maker.  A lot of extra work and effort goes into allowing us players to play as those extra races, it would be a rather poor decision on BioWare's part if they wasted all those resourced on additional races but didn't change a few lines of dialogue so it makes sense playing as those races.

 

If my Dwarven Inquisitor is called Herald of Andraste by the human farmers and other small folk, I can accept that, if he's called that by Cullen and other Inquisition members, that's poor writing to allow us these races but still give us a human story.

What if it's like Cullen referring to the Inquisitor as such to normal soldiers and civilians to boost their morale and rally them like it looked like he was doing in the trailer?  I don't mind if my companions and advisers do something like that.

[BubbleDncr]

I'm sure they have to include dialog options for characters who don't believe in the Maker, considering 3 out of the 4 races you can be, shouldn't be following the maker by default (unless the player comes up with some head cannon back story or decides to convert during the game).

 

Unless this is the game where they decide to prove which religions are right, in which case by the end of the game what your beliefs were probably don't matter.

[Spicen]

I'm sure they have to include dialog options for characters who don't believe in the Maker, considering 3 out of the 4 races you can be, shouldn't be following the maker by default (unless the player comes up with some head cannon back story or decides to convert during the game).

Unless this is the game where they decide to prove which religions are right, in which case by the end of the game what your beliefs were probably don't matter.

as i said b4 the dialog with the dragon cud be same for all races. this cud be because it views the maker as its enemy

the dialog in general cud differ fir different races

[PsychoBlonde]

I'm going to make one post on this and then drop it since it's pretty off-topic.

 

Don't the stories say that the Maker created the Fade, felt disappointed with his creation, abandoned it, made the physical world, showed favor to it which incited the spirits' jealousy, abandoned it too, then no one knows where the Maker ran off (if He existed at all)? If the "Maker" left the Fade shortly after creating it, doesn't that mean He's not there anymore and so they haven't met him/don't know if he exists anymore than mortals do?

 

Maybe Fade spirits like the rage demon simply believe the Maker exists but have no more proof than mortals? Just because the rage demon seems to think the Maker is real doesn't necessarily mean it's right, or that it has met Him.

According to some of the lore, stuff in the Fade arises from the minds of mortals.  So if mortals believe in the Maker, the Fade critters do, too, at second-hand.  They are literally reflecting people's fears, doubts, and weaknesses directly back at them.

[Boss Fog]

Ding ding ding ding. I'm surprised it took anyone so long to point this out. He's making a Bond Villain speech, it doesn't matter who's listening. He could be talking to a corpse or an inanimate object and he'd be saying the same thing.

Yup!  Never underestimate the importance of posturing.