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[ziloe]

I think no one can deny that how they are going to handle Warden's story is going to be crucial to Dragon Age franchise itself.

So, very carefully?

I think they could do it. If it's action based, I don't see anyone taking issue with it. But then again, it's been 10 years and a lot of people change in that time, so who's to say he/she won't have evolved as a person depending on what they were doing?

I mean, I doubt a Warden who remained a Warden will act the same way as a Human Noble Warden who married Alistair or Anora.

[robertthebard]

I still feel it would diminish the Warden far too much, not to have him/her in DA:I. Were three of the Warden's potential romances NOT in this game (this includes Alistair), it wouldn't be a big deal to me, but as long as they exist, it will always be a lost opportunity to not do it.

Why? Those characters are characters on their own. There are several states that Alistair can wind up in, so which one are they going to respect? Their own canon has him on the throne, I believe, so if you made him a drunk, and he's king, isn't that an adverse affect to your world state? The only difference between BioWare's canon Warden and mine is that mine was a CE instead of Dalish. She's just as dead, however, due to the US ending.
 
 

I think no one can deny that how they are going to handle Warden's story is going to be crucial to Dragon Age franchise itself.

I think it's really not. For one thing, the Hero of Ferelden Warden can be dead. Mine is. Alistair is a drunk, Loghain has to live with his mistakes, and my Warden told Morrigan to take a hike on the Dark Ritual(DR). So not having the Warden show up at all has 0 impact on my world state, and is, in fact, the intended result. In order to respect all possible variations, they'd almost have to write several games. I think it would be far easier to leave any Warden that, for example, went through the Aluvian gone. Dead Wardens aren't an issue, and surviving ones? I'd write them as falling to their calling during the end part of DA 2, or in the interval between DA 2 and Inquisition. It's not, after all, beyond the realm of possibility. Of course, I think that, rather than writing myself into a corner with the DR, I'd have killed the Warden off, making the US ending the only possible one. Yeah, there'd be some outrage for a while, but that would, eventually subside. However, there'd be a lot less "But if the Warden's not included, it breaks the whole franchise" claims.

[dsl08002]

Why? Those characters are characters on their own. There are several states that Alistair can wind up in, so which one are they going to respect? Their own canon has him on the throne, I believe, so if you made him a drunk, and he's king, isn't that an adverse affect to your world state? The only difference between BioWare's canon Warden and mine is that mine was a CE instead of Dalish. She's just as dead, however, due to the US ending.  I think it's really not. For one thing, the Hero of Ferelden Warden can be dead. Mine is. Alistair is a drunk, Loghain has to live with his mistakes, and my Warden told Morrigan to take a hike on the Dark Ritual(DR). So not having the Warden show up at all has 0 impact on my world state, and is, in fact, the intended result. In order to respect all possible variations, they'd almost have to write several games. I think it would be far easier to leave any Warden that, for example, went through the Aluvian gone. Dead Wardens aren't an issue, and surviving ones? I'd write them as falling to their calling during the end part of DA 2, or in the interval between DA 2 and Inquisition. It's not, after all, beyond the realm of possibility. Of course, I think that, rather than writing myself into a corner with the DR, I'd have killed the Warden off, making the US ending the only possible one. Yeah, there'd be some outrage for a while, but that would, eventually subside. However, there'd be a lot less "But if the Warden's not included, it breaks the whole franchise" claims.

Here is a paradox with having different Protaganist each game. We all response differently in each game som people like me favour the warden as Protaganist other favours hawke, and maybe the rest is not interested in those two but is hoping that will change in DAI with the inquisitor.

For example you dont have the warden as favorite character, and dont want to continue that story. Me however who is a warden fan want to continue that story because after WH ( i said goodbye and let morrigan go through the eluvian) and dragon age 2 ending there were lot of loose ends that pretty much left the story open.

The warden and hawke is importent heroes of the Dragon age universe and it is not likley that they would sit back and go to the tavern and let someone else do the job. They would try to get involved. Its logical.

Also when having two LI from DAO, morrigan and leliana it is bound to open up a comeback for the warden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

So, very carefully?

I think they could do it. If it's action based, I don't see anyone taking issue with it. But then again, it's been 10 years and a lot of people change in that time, so who's to say he/she won't have evolved as a person depending on what they were doing?

I mean, I doubt a Warden who remained a Warden will act the same way as a Human Noble Warden who married Alistair or Anora.

Pretty much character development is impossible here as the warden don't have 1 personality every warden had own unique personality then what road they went it is also dependent on player.Pretty much as i said if they put the warden as npc it won't be rly your warden only bioware warden. 

[KaanGuner1]

And I've said I'm fine with BioWare Warden. Because there had to be one.

 

I don't like this all new protagonist every game ****. Just because it feels as if the whole franchise gets patched every game. I mean I would understand if the character we are going to play introduced and hinted earlier. Like Sandal or Morrigan's so-called baby... But now when it happens like this it's like developers and writers say to us as long as it's profitable you get to play in this world. And even that if after the fourth or fifth game if we judge a new DA game wouldn't be more profitable compared to new one there isn't going to be a new Dragon Age.

 

That's not good at all. You have to tell a story, write one. Be in control of it. Not patch it with every game until it ceases it's highly profitable character. Whatever. The more I talk about it the more I see flaws how they handle their stories. So I'm going to just give it a go when the game is released.

[robertthebard]

Here is a paradox with having different Protaganist each game. We all response differently in each game som people like me favour the warden as Protaganist other favours hawke, and maybe the rest is not interested in those two but is hoping that will change in DAI with the inquisitor.

For example you dont have the warden as favorite character, and dont want to continue that story. Me however who is a warden fan want to continue that story because after WH ( i said goodbye and let morrigan go through the eluvian) and dragon age 2 ending there were lot of loose ends that pretty much left the story open.

The warden and hawke is importent heroes of the Dragon age universe and it is not likley that they would sit back and go to the tavern and let someone else do the job. They would try to get involved. Its logical.

Also when having two LI from DAO, morrigan and leliana it is bound to open up a comeback for the warden.

How does "my Warden is dead" equate not having the Warden as a favorite character? I have unlocked all of the achievements for DA O. It's not a matter of "I'm kind of a big deal" but "I've played every possible ending scenario, and my canon Hero of Ferelden is dead to the US". Sorry to disappoint, but that would more likely mean that that's my favorite one, instead of one I didn't like, maybe?

It is also likely that the Warden was an important character, in their game. This isn't their game any more, and this is exactly why, after years of perusing these forums, I would have killed the Warden off, instead of opening this can of worms about "when are they coming back". We have been told, repeatedly, that this is a story about Thedas, not a particular character in Thedas.

Since the Inquisitor won't know, or likely won't know the Warden personally, having two of the potential LIs in the game foreshadows nothing about the Warden's return. As I said in my previous post, both of those characters stand on their own as characters, not simply as "hey, you're only here because you potentially romanced the Warden. They were not the only romance choices available. What happens to your theory if the surviving Warden romanced Zevran? Will Zev magically replace one or the other of them?

[ziloe]

How does "my Warden is dead" equate not having the Warden as a favorite character? I have unlocked all of the achievements for DA O. It's not a matter of "I'm kind of a big deal" but "I've played every possible ending scenario, and my canon Hero of Ferelden is dead to the US". Sorry to disappoint, but that would more likely mean that that's my favorite one, instead of one I didn't like, maybe?

It is also likely that the Warden was an important character, in their game. This isn't their game any more, and this is exactly why, after years of perusing these forums, I would have killed the Warden off, instead of opening this can of worms about "when are they coming back". We have been told, repeatedly, that this is a story about Thedas, not a particular character in Thedas.

Since the Inquisitor won't know, or likely won't know the Warden personally, having two of the potential LIs in the game foreshadows nothing about the Warden's return. As I said in my previous post, both of those characters stand on their own as characters, not simply as "hey, you're only here because you potentially romanced the Warden. They were not the only romance choices available. What happens to your theory if the surviving Warden romanced Zevran? Will Zev magically replace one or the other of them?

And yet, the very problem with not involving them is that they left them in very ambiguous states. At least for those who kept them alive.

I, as a person who went through the Eluvian with Morrigan, was perfectly content with the idea that they found peace together somewhere else. But when Bioware made the choice to have my Warden "disappear," well hey, they definitely have some explaining to do. And that explanation is better seen with them, then read in a book where they were just cast away as though none of it mattered.
 

[robertthebard]

And yet, the very problem with not involving them is that they left them in very ambiguous states. At least for those who kept them alive.

I, as a person who went through the Eluvian with Morrigan, was perfectly content with the idea that they found peace together somewhere else. But when Bioware made the choice to have my Warden "disappear," well hey, they definitely have some explaining to do. And that explanation is better seen with them, then read in a book where they were just cast away as though none of it mattered.

How does going through the aluvian not equate disappearing, as far as the rest of Thedas is concerned? Were you sending regular progress reports? Anyone potentially with you would consider that disappearing as well, since they couldn't follow you. This does, however, touch on exactly why I would have just killed the Warden off. It's much easier on the writers than forcing them to come up with several different arcs according to what happened in Origins and any subsequent DLC. There would have been some outrage, but it would have likely been over by now, and there wouldn't be a new thread every couple of weeks claiming that the Inquisitor could be the OGB(Old God Baby), and no pressure, from the community, whether they, the writers, feel any of it or not, to include the Warden now, or in the future. Better some outrage early, than outrage after every installment where they don't include the Warden.

[ziloe]

How does going through the aluvian not equate disappearing, as far as the rest of Thedas is concerned? Were you sending regular progress reports? Anyone potentially with you would consider that disappearing as well, since they couldn't follow you. This does, however, touch on exactly why I would have just killed the Warden off. It's much easier on the writers than forcing them to come up with several different arcs according to what happened in Origins and any subsequent DLC. There would have been some outrage, but it would have likely been over by now, and there wouldn't be a new thread every couple of weeks claiming that the Inquisitor could be the OGB(Old God Baby), and no pressure, from the community, whether they, the writers, feel any of it or not, to include the Warden now, or in the future. Better some outrage early, than outrage after every installment where they don't include the Warden.

And yet, that's the beauty of choice, isn't it? That Bioware is giving us that. It's just the question of how far they're willing to go.

[thedistortedchild]

And yet, the very problem with not involving them is that they left them in very ambiguous states. At least for those who kept them alive.

I, as a person who went through the Eluvian with Morrigan, was perfectly content with the idea that they found peace together somewhere else. But when Bioware made the choice to have my Warden "disappear," well hey, they definitely have some explaining to do. And that explanation is better seen with them, then read in a book where they were just cast away as though none of it mattered.
 

I agree whole-heartedly. I have a warden who is supposed to be queen of ferelden, a warden who was happily fleeing/running the crows with Zevran, a warden who traveled with Leliana, and a warden who decided to raise a child with Morrigan. But now they've disappeared.
That causes issues for me, because their story was over. When bioware had Leliana, a well informed friend/lover/enemy of the warden, claim that they they had disappeared, they reopened the story. Especially when they compared the warden's disappearence to Hawke's. To have one come back and not the other seems imbalanced.

[ziloe]

I agree whole-heartedly. I have a warden who is supposed to be queen of ferelden, a warden who was happily fleeing/running the crows with Zevran, a warden who traveled with Leliana, and a warden who decided to raise a child with Morrigan. But now they've disappeared.
That causes issues for me, because their story was over. When bioware had Leliana, a well informed friend/lover/enemy of the warden, claim that they they had disappeared, they reopened the story. Especially when they compared the warden's disappearence to Hawke's. To have one come back and not the other seems imbalanced.

Exactly! I'm glad to see someone else understands this too.

[Dobyk]

Mike specifically said it is NOT our Warden, the Hero of Ferelden. It wouldn't make sense for it to be the Orlesian Warden, because if you imported your Origins PC in Awakening... well, then there is no Orlesian PC. Pretty simple. It's just a dude we probably haven't met yet. If, by any marginal chance, this turns out to be Alistair, I will cry - this dude is quite.... unattractive xD But I get the feeling they might include the Warden in a future game, if they figure out how to solve the voice issue.

 

I want to see my pretty elf in a future DA game as well, and not just hear bartenders mention a mysterious "elven mistress" of King Alistair. Seriously, my lady is tough, she is anything but a prostitute xD

[ziloe]

Mike specifically said it is NOT our Warden, the Hero of Ferelden. It wouldn't make sense for it to be the Orlesian Warden, because if you imported your Origins PC in Awakening... well, then there is no Orlesian PC. Pretty simple. It's just a dude we probably haven't met yet. If, by any marginal chance, this turns out to be Alistair, I will cry - this dude is quite.... unattractive xD But I get the feeling they might include the Warden in a future game, if they figure out how to solve the voice issue.

 

I want to see my pretty elf in a future DA game as well, and not just hear bartenders mention a mysterious "elven mistress" of King Alistair. Seriously, my lady is tough, she is anything but a prostitute xD

But we know it's not ours, by the fact that we didn't choose it.

They did the same thing for ME. If an important guy died, who was part of a major quest line, he was replaced. Just because you didn't play Awakening and your Warden might have done the US, doesn't mean the Orlesian Warden doesn't exist. If they need them for a quest, they will do it with or without you.

[Elanor]

Well calling not for those who spared avernus.

 

What? Why? I never heard of that impact...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

What? Why? I never heard of that impact...

He doesn't have a Calling, and Komandor seems to imply that he thinks Avernus can spread that benefit. I'm not so sure: I seem to remember a line from Avernus that states that he's a high-functioning abomination, and that that's where his basically immortal status comes from rather than any alchemical product he can make.

[dsl08002]

While the topic about personality, i agree that you change in a 10 years time, even i have.

But what is importent is the core of the player, the principles and so on. My warden is a good guy in DAO (light side) and i agree that bioware can change and give something to the chatacter in this 10 years period.

BUT it cannot go against my wardens principles. To turn from good and resonable to brutal and so on if my warden returns. Or what do you think?

[robertthebard]

While the topic about personality, i agree that you change in a 10 years time, even i have.

But what is importent is the core of the player, the principles and so on. My warden is a good guy in DAO (light side) and i agree that bioware can change and give something to the chatacter in this 10 years period.

BUT it cannot go against my wardens principles. To turn from good and resonable to brutal and so on if my warden returns. Or what do you think?

I think this is exactly why they should have killed the Warden off. Because now, in order to insure that they get everyone's Warden just so, because if it's not, the rage here will eclipse anything we've seen so far, they're going to have to have an infinite number of variables written in. Some of the choices in Origins were inconsequential to the story, such as romance options, others were, or would seem to be integral, such as people who did the DR believing it should be canon, because they chose it, those that didn't be damned. So it's almost literally going to be impossible to please everyone, or even find a happy medium. If the VA is wrong, there's going to be rage. If they say something that "my Warden wouldn't say that" there's going to be rage. Safer to leave them out, but more will be revealed, I suppose.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BUT it cannot go against my wardens principles. To turn from good and resonable to brutal and so on if my warden returns. Or what do you think?

Good and evil tend to be oversimplifications where my Wardens are concerned, but I'm pretty much resigned to my Wardens being shoehorned into those boxes and hope they do at least that well.

[ziloe]

I'm not sure why everyone brings up that "the canon warden is dead" as a reasoning for why it wouldn't be your Warden.

 

If they're just going to use canon storylines then what is the point of the Keep? My Warden commander is not dead, unless something happened in the past ten years in game that we haven't been told about yet. If anything my guess is that is supposed to be Warden Alistair. 

The point of the Keep is to ensure players get their story implemented, as opposed to the bug riddled world builder thing DA2 had. The Canon is for those who haven't played before, aren't invested, and just want to pick up and play.

It also makes things easier when writing the books, as we have no control over those.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It also makes things easier when writing the books, as we have no control over those.

Computer generated variable comics?

[ziloe]

Computer generated variable comics?

Might be something to consider. That, or a choose your own adventure book. xD

Man, can you imagine trying to make a Choose your own adventure novel work for a sequel that carries on your story? O_O

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Might be something to consider. That, or a choose your own adventure book. xD

Man, can you imagine trying to make a Choose your own adventure novel work for a sequel that carries on your story? O_O

Not by myself, but Gaider doesn't have that problem.

[ziloe]

It would be an anthology and would be encyclopedia-sized. 

Hahahaha, I have no doubt about that. And just the first quarter is all questions of what you've already done.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Hahahaha, I have no doubt about that. And just the first quarter is all questions of what you've already done.

I was picturing the first page being a link to the Keep that asked you which World-state you wanted to explore the story in. (Since doing something like this on paper is going to be basically impossible after three games.)