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[NewBlue]

I really think the Warden needs to make a cameo or be mentioned, for those who chose the ultimate sacrifice. There needs to be some closure. Wardens don't just ride off into the sunset and are never heard from or seen again.Ignoring it is cowardly. Sure,it would be hard but so is everything else they do. Nothing they do will please everyone, that's a given.Although the Warden's chapter is "closed", I think we deserve closure. I really don't feel that it is an unfair request or expectation.

Well considering they're dead, I hardly think that classifies as "riding off into the sunset"

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well anders know (knew) what humor is.What anger sure he is angry when you tell that mages should be locked but was totally easy going in daa when they turned him in da 2 into emo.So yep we practically 2 different characters even his popularity ranking in 2 games is on 2 different ends of the stick.And as i said if you want you can justify everything in fiction even cullen showing up for next 9 games and that doesn't make it good.

 

In the end they broke 2 interesting characters anders and justice to create da 2 anders (it wasn't worth it) and well i mentioned that ended up with death threats towards anders writer.Not to mention core of the problems that they already as i said spam with old characters easier and better would be simple write new character than bring old and change him completely.  

 

What do you mean, "what anger?" "The problem is that mages are tolerated. Barely. It's like you need permission just to be alive." "I used to be a good little Andrastian. I said my prayers, repented my sins, all of it." "Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly broken up about them dying, to be honest. Biff there made the funniest gurgle when he went down." All three of these quotes are from Awakening. He's not as angry as when Justice possesses him, but Justice doesn't create that anger. He just intensifies it and makes it less funny. I agree with you in theory that they could use more new characters, but it's not because the characters completely change over time. (Or at least not in this case, since Leiliana tends to be about level 23 when I leave her and what the hell is she doing getting captured by the Venatori?)

[TheKomandorShepard]

What do you mean, "what anger?" "The problem is that mages are tolerated. Barely. It's like you need permission just to be alive." "I used to be a good little Andrastian. I said my prayers, repented my sins, all of it." "Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly broken up about them dying, to be honest. Biff there made the funniest gurgle when he went down." All three of these quotes are from Awakening. He's not as angry as when Justice possesses him, but Justice doesn't create that anger. He just intensifies it and makes it less funny. I agree with you in theory that they could use more new characters, but it's not because the characters completely change over time. (Or at least not in this case, since Leiliana tends to be about level 23 when I leave her and what the hell is she doing getting captured by the Venatori?)

That what i have mentioned he is only angry when you start attack mages but is cheerful 99 % of time as long you don't insult mages as whole besides 2 of 3 of that quotes are rather joke than anger but still that isn't point only complete personality change.Besides i doubt that levels are for companions outside gameplay levels are more for our character as for examples some character don't have skill they should have and well we have examples like low lvl varric and anders in sequels. 

[Black Jimmy]

So? In ferelden was blight doesn't mean that everyone from the world came to ferelden just to see the warden.

Outside of Fereldan and the Wardens, people barely noticed there was a Blight in the first place. What should have last decades was quickly dealt with within a year before anyone got a chance to react. That and Loghain wasn't letting anybody in.

The Breach is instantly notable to Fereldan and surrounding nations at first, and by endgame if it's accurate to say the breach covers the whole sky, no one's not going to know about this. The scale of this threat is bigger than anything that's come before excluding maybe the first Blight. Almost everyone who is capable enough to do something is probably doing something. Morrigan, Leliana, Cullen and Varric obviously feel that's best done with The Inquisition.

[ziloe]

Well considering they're dead, I hardly think that classifies as "riding off into the sunset"

They're only dead if you chose them to be. That's the point.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Outside of Fereldan and the Wardens, people barely noticed there was a Blight in the first place. What should have last decades was quickly dealt with within a year before anyone got a chance to react. That and Loghain wasn't letting anybody in.

The Breach is instantly notable to Fereldan and surrounding nations at first, and by endgame if it's accurate to say the breach covers the whole sky, no one's not going to know about this. The scale of this threat is bigger than anything that's come before excluding maybe the first Blight. Almost everyone who is capable enough to do something is probably doing something. Morrigan, Leliana, Cullen and Varric obviously feel that's best done with The Inquisition.

Orlais knew there is a blight still no orlesians around and you are saying how the warden prevented blight not how blight was there in fact even most factions ignored blight in ferelden until the warden forced them to move and help and characters such like isabela went screw that man i don't care.At first as you said breach is only in ferelden in fact only around ashes and then already we have 3 returning characters if not 4 and in fact very little peoples seems to care about that.As i said inq don't need meet every warrior or mage that exist in thedas...   

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

That what i have mentioned he is only angry when you start attack mages but is cheerful 99 % of time as long you don't insult mages as whole besides 2 of 3 of that quotes are rather joke than anger but still that isn't point only complete personality change.Besides i doubt that levels are for companions outside gameplay levels are more for our character as for examples some character don't have skill they should have and well we have examples like low lvl varric and anders in sequels. 

Jokes rather than anger? I think you're seeing a dichotomy that doesn't really exist. As for your point that he's only angry when you insult mages, I get those quotes pretty much every playthrough while doing the standard-operating-procedure for Dragon Age companions, ie not saying anything that would tick them off. And I get gameplay vs. story, but I still kinda find it exasperating in the context of her having potentially faced so much worse than these Tevinters. (You know, like the freaking Archdemon.)

[Black Jimmy]

Orlais knew there is a blight still no orlesians around and you are saying how the warden prevented blight not how blight was there in fact even most factions ignored blight in ferelden until the warden forced them to move and help and characters such like isabela went screw that man i don't care.At first as you said breach is only in ferelden in fact only around ashes and then already we have 3 returning characters if not 4 and in fact very little peoples seems to care about that.As i said inq don't need meet every warrior or mage that exist in thedas...   

Yes, and Loghain told them to bugger off. Same with the Grey Wardens. Riordan had to sneak in alone.

Of course she didn't help you, she's Isabela. She probably bailed for Kirkwall before Denerim got attacked. It's not until Kirkwall that she recieves any character development. And I still don't expect her to make an appearance unless it's a small one like Zev and Nathan's or Hawke is still with there LI. Zev's not going to be in Inquisition either, neither's Shale. So not everyone's going to be there. The ones that do turn up are those that have something to add to the Inquisition and the story itself.

 

 

Jokes rather than anger? I think you're seeing a dichotomy that doesn't really exist. As for your point that he's only angry when you insult mages, I get those quotes pretty much every playthrough while doing the standard-operating-procedure for Dragon Age companions, ie not saying anything that would tick them off. And I get gameplay vs. story, but I still kinda find it exasperating in the context of her having potentially faced so much worse than these Tevinters. (You know, like the freaking Archdemon.)

 

Awakening Anders is kinda like Snarky Hawke. Acts all jovial, but is really very bitter and angry about having his life dictated by others. I think the worst thing about Anders in DA2 was that he got a new voice actor at the same time as his dramatic change, so the change seemed far more drastic than it actually was.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Jokes rather than anger? I think you're seeing a dichotomy that doesn't really exist. As for your point that he's only angry when you insult mages, I get those quotes pretty much every playthrough while doing the standard-operating-procedure for Dragon Age companions, ie not saying anything that would tick them off. And I get gameplay vs. story, but I still kinda find it exasperating in the context of her having potentially faced so much worse than these Tevinters. (You know, like the freaking Archdemon.)

I don't see there any anger just sarcastic comments instead anger he is rarely serious and his anger even more as far i remember moment he was angry was moment i started criticize mages for example like in tree conversation.

 

 

Yes, and Loghain told them to bugger off. Same with the Grey Wardens. Riordan had to sneak in alone.

Of course she didn't help you, she's Isabela. She probably bailed for Kirkwall before Denerim got attacked. It's not until Kirkwall that she recieves any character development. And I still don't expect her to make an appearance unless it's a small one like Zev and Nathan's or Hawke is still with there LI. Zev's not going to be in Inquisition either, neither's Shale. So not everyone's going to be there. The ones that do turn up are those that have something to add to the Inquisition and the story itself.

 

 

 

Awakening Anders is kinda like Snarky Hawke. Acts all jovial, but is really very bitter and angry about having his life dictated by others. I think the worst thing about Anders in DA2 was that he got a new voice actor at the same time as his dramatic change, so the change seemed far more drastic than it actually was.

He kicked only orlesian army and wardens not other peoples still i didn't saw any others who wanted save the world for example varric or cassandra.Yeah because for example cullen have something to add 3 time in the series...

 

well we should check

daa anders funny , sarcastic , easy going , irresponsible and self-centred.

da 2 anders serious, grumpy , obsessive , and centred on others.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't see there any anger just sarcastic comments instead anger he is rarely serious and his anger even more as far i remember moment he was angry was moment i started criticize mages for example like in tree conversation.

If you don't see the anger in those lines, maybe your eyes are closed.

[Black Jimmy]

I don't see there any anger just sarcastic comments instead anger he is rarely serious and his anger even more as far i remember moment he was angry was moment i started criticize mages for example like in tree conversation.

 

 

He kicked only orlesian army and wardens not other peoples still i didn't saw any others who wanted save the world for example varric or cassandra.Yeah because for example cullen have something to add 3 time in the series...

 

well we should check

daa anders funny , sarcastic , easy going , irresponsible and self-centred.

da 2 anders serious, grumpy , obsessive , and centred on others.

No, Riverdale is correct. There are a few points where just asking him about Templars or the Circle sends him off on an angry rant.

 

We're not told of anyone else trying to get into Fereldan. Why would Cass and Varric come to help? Cassandra was either by the Divine's side or doing something for her and Varric is just a merchant/Information broker based in Kirkwall. If the Blight left Fereldan and the rest of the Wardens hadn't stopped it by then, then some characters may have gotten involved. Most likely it would have headed to Orlais and the Chantry would have gotten involved. Varric would probably still be chilling in Kirkwall because he's not the kind of guy to go off and play hero.

 

Most of the returning characters are world leaders like Alistair and Anora or were actively recruited into the Inquisition like Leliana and Cullen. Not sure how Varric ended up there yet admitedly.

Morrigan probably has motives of her own and Hawke by now is the kind of person to run off to play Hero.

 

Some of those traits are actually Justice's/Vengeance's. Anders isn't Anders any more. He's a mishmash of Anders and Justice. Who wouldn't be grumpy in his situation.

[wcholcombe]

Well of course the warden isn't our warden, Laidlaw has said multiple times, the Warden stopped being ours at the end of DAO or Awakening 

[ziloe]

No, Riverdale is correct. There are a few points where just asking him about Templars or the Circle sends him off on an angry rant.

 

We're not told of anyone else trying to get into Fereldan. Why would Cass and Varric come to help? Cassandra was either by the Divine's side or doing something for her and Varric is just a merchant/Information broker based in Kirkwall. If the Blight left Fereldan and the rest of the Wardens hadn't stopped it by then, then some characters may have gotten involved. Most likely it would have headed to Orlais and the Chantry would have gotten involved. Varric would probably still be chilling in Kirkwall because he's not the kind of guy to go off and play hero.

 

Most of the returning characters are world leaders like Alistair and Anora or were actively recruited into the Inquisition like Leliana and Cullen. Not sure how Varric ended up there yet admitedly.

Morrigan probably has motives of her own and Hawke by now is the kind of person to run off to play Hero.

 

Some of those traits are actually Justice's/Vengeance's. Anders isn't Anders any more. He's a mishmash of Anders and Justice. Who wouldn't be grumpy in his situation.

Actually, if you read the comics, Varric gets pretty involved helping out Alistair. So he may have been by Alistair's side or sent by him to help the Inquisition by my guess.

As for Hawke, mine was really only interested in making a name for his family up until Aveline was like, you know... you should probably do something with your life.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Actually, if you read the comics, Varric gets pretty involved helping out Alistair. So he may have been by Alistair's side or sent by him to help the Inquisition by my guess.

I have one game in which the events involving Varric and Maric in those comics probably never happened, since the Fifth Blight ended with both Alistair and Loghain (who'd be the logical choice to go if Alistair was dead) dead. So that's probably not it. More likely Cassandra asked him for a favor and noted that he'd be able to get free drinks on this story for the rest of his life if he said yes, since we know there's nothing we can do that causes either to die.

[The Night Haunter]

I have one game in which the events involving Varric and Maric in those comics probably never happened, since the Fifth Blight ended with both Alistair and Loghain (who'd be the logical choice to go if Alistair was dead) dead. So that's probably not it. More likely Cassandra asked him for a favor and noted that he'd be able to get free drinks on this story for the rest of his life if he said yes, since we know there's nothing we can do that causes either to die.

The events of those comics occur before Cassandra's interrogation of Varric at the end of DA2. I think Varric tags along (maybe as a prisoner?) with Cass as she leaves for the peace summit. Varric is probably recruited at the same time as Cass.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The events of those comics occur before Cassandra's interrogation of Varric at the end of DA2. I think Varric tags along (maybe as a prisoner?) with Cass as she leaves for the peace summit. Varric is probably recruited at the same time as Cass.

Doesn't Cassandra release him from custody right after he finishes narrating the story to her? So it wouldn't be as a prisoner.

[The Night Haunter]

Doesn't Cassandra release him from custody right after he finishes narrating the story to her? So it wouldn't be as a prisoner.

She leaves hawk's residence, but we see other Seeker soldiers in the area and it is possible she hasn't actually released him. It is also possible Varric decides to follow of his own volition.

[ziloe]

I have one game in which the events involving Varric and Maric in those comics probably never happened, since the Fifth Blight ended with both Alistair and Loghain (who'd be the logical choice to go if Alistair was dead) dead. So that's probably not it. More likely Cassandra asked him for a favor and noted that he'd be able to get free drinks on this story for the rest of his life if he said yes, since we know there's nothing we can do that causes either to die.

Well, the events prior to Cassandra's interrogation were the comics, so perhaps it was through him that she found Varric.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well, the events prior to Cassandra's interrogation were the comics, so perhaps it was through him that she found Varric.

Again, those particular comics probably didn't happen in my CE EM's playthrough. So that's probably not the case.

[robertthebard]

That what i have mentioned he is only angry when you start attack mages but is cheerful 99 % of time as long you don't insult mages as whole besides 2 of 3 of that quotes are rather joke than anger but still that isn't point only complete personality change.Besides i doubt that levels are for companions outside gameplay levels are more for our character as for examples some character don't have skill they should have and well we have examples like low lvl varric and anders in sequels.

He's angry all the time, but if you're being nice to him, it doesn't surface, is what you observed. I observed a completely different Anders in Awakening from what you portray him to be. That's the magic of RPGs, we can discuss the exact same character, and have almost completely different personalities, depending on how we deal with them when the opportunity presents itself.

[NewBlue]

They're only dead if you chose them to be. That's the point.

"For those who chose the Ultimate Sacrifice"

[TheKomandorShepard]

If you don't see the anger in those lines, maybe your eyes are closed.

Well i don't se anger here here

 

No, Riverdale is correct. There are a few points where just asking him about Templars or the Circle sends him off on an angry rant.

 

We're not told of anyone else trying to get into Fereldan. Why would Cass and Varric come to help? Cassandra was either by the Divine's side or doing something for her and Varric is just a merchant/Information broker based in Kirkwall. If the Blight left Fereldan and the rest of the Wardens hadn't stopped it by then, then some characters may have gotten involved. Most likely it would have headed to Orlais and the Chantry would have gotten involved. Varric would probably still be chilling in Kirkwall because he's not the kind of guy to go off and play hero.

 

Most of the returning characters are world leaders like Alistair and Anora or were actively recruited into the Inquisition like Leliana and Cullen. Not sure how Varric ended up there yet admitedly.

Morrigan probably has motives of her own and Hawke by now is the kind of person to run off to play Hero.

 

Some of those traits are actually Justice's/Vengeance's. Anders isn't Anders any more. He's a mishmash of Anders and Justice. Who wouldn't be grumpy in his situation.

That was points i was saying about

 

What pretty much didn't change breach starts in ferelden same as blight yet varric and cassandra run with the speed of light to help but bligh meh who cares.Most? who we have 11 returning character and only 2 are leaders and not world leaders only country leaders.Leliana is just an assassin but at least is connected
 to cassandra and well cullen was forced into inq for fanservice that devs tried push with justification as it is fiction you can put any justification as you want into that.

 

Eh it isn't about that i said few times they could put any justification here to tell us why anders isn't anders anymore im telling about 180 personality turn instead creating new character and how that went i already said.

 

 

He's angry all the time, but if you're being nice to him, it doesn't surface, is what you observed. I observed a completely different Anders in Awakening from what you portray him to be. That's the magic of RPGs, we can discuss the exact same character, and have almost completely different personalities, depending on how we deal with them when the opportunity presents itself.

Angry all the time nah most of the time as i said he was easy-going unless you start insult mages and well every character gets angry if you start insult them outside perhaps sten.  

[ziloe]

"For those who chose the Ultimate Sacrifice"

Unless you edited it, guess I read that wrong. Either way, there was plenty of closure for those who chose the US option, given the burial ceremony. I mean how much more closure do you need? There was a funeral, and everything was well with the world.

[NewBlue]

Unless you edited it, guess I read that wrong. Either way, there was plenty of closure for those who chose the US option, given the burial ceremony. I mean how much more closure do you need? There was a funeral, and everything was well with the world.

 

Actually I was quoting the person I was responding to before you interjected. The part of their post that I was referring to is as follows "I really think the Warden needs to make a cameo or be mentioned, for those who chose the ultimate sacrifice. There needs to be some closure. Wardens don't just ride off into the sunset and are never heard from or seen again.Ignoring it is cowardly." To which I responded "Well considering they're dead, I hardly think that classifies as "riding off into the sunset" Therefore agreeing with you, on the stance of not needing more closure.