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[Mcfly616]

I agree. And I'm not trying to start an argument... but you don't seem to have a problem with the asari in this regard, and they're the worst example - considering that they're an all female species who don't reproduce sexually.

 I don't have a problem with the asari in this regard because being a monogendered species who can have mind sex with any other being they want, is their whole niche. That's their thing. 

 

That doesn't mean Bioware should've went all ME2 on us and said: "Quarian, Drell, Turian, bang 'em all". Just to make everybody happy. Fan service at its worst. A detriment to creativity. It's hard to take seriously at all. 

[Mordokai]

One change I think they should make is that certain LIs should be unavailable if your character is their polar opposite. Alien squadmates shouldn't be interested in a protagonist whose views are aligned with the Terra Firma party, for example. Also consistently using harsh renedouche dialogue with potential LIs should close off the romance path.

 

Well, not all of them. I can see certain characters responding better to "tough love" way of romancing. Of course, renegade doesn't really lend itself well to any kind of love(or at least it seems like that to me), but if they do the morality a little different in the next game(maybe classic good/evil system would work well for that), I can see some characters responding better to the "negative" axis and some better to the "positive" one.

 

Making everybody romanceable just by paragons is just as bad as people staying with Shepard if he treats them like dirt.

 

 I don't have a problem with the asari in this regard because being a monogendered species who can have mind sex with any other being they want, is their whole niche. That's their thing. 

 

That doesn't mean Bioware should've went all ME2 on us and said: "Quarian, Drell, Turian, bang 'em all". Just to make everybody happy. Fan service at its worst. A detriment to creativity. It's hard to take seriously at all. 

 

Just you wait and see, next one is going to have a hanar squadmate. And yes, they will be romanceable.

 

For my part, I'd like to see some tough choices included. Include a chance for your LI to die, but make it optional. Sacrifice them, or your other squadmate. And when/if that happens, have the rest of your friends and environment in general comment on it. Or make something bad happen to them, but have a chance of reversing it. The mission in BG:SoA, where Bodhi captures your lover and turns them into vampire, forcing you to kill them comes to mind. I'd love to see something like that.

[Mcfly616]

I think a romance should be able to fail based on your differences. I don't want my LI being some lacky that goes along with whatever I say. I want them to be their own people. And if they don't like the type of person my player character is, then they shouldn't go for me or be into me.

[Sanunes]

I don't think BioWare gets the relationships across too badly, the problem that I had with the relationships in Mass Effect 3 is that almost everyone can die in the previous two games so they had to write the character story arcs to fit within two different characters which made them feel interchangeable and not very personalized. I know there is a lot of attachment to past characters, but I wonder if less characters returned would have allowed more depth to the ones that did and made their stories a little more personalized or if they died there isn't a replacement for them.

[Harie]

I don't have a problem with the asari in this regard because being a monogendered species who can have mind sex with any other being they want, is their whole niche. That's their thing. 
 
That doesn't mean Bioware should've went all ME2 on us and said: "Quarian, Drell, Turian, bang 'em all". Just to make everybody happy. Fan service at its worst. A detriment to creativity. It's hard to take seriously at all.

If it was made clear that it's just mind sex the asari engage in, I wouldn't have much of a problem with them... but that isn't the case. And it's their whole niche because they're nothing but juvenile ****** fodder... and I say that as someone who likes many asari characters.
I've seen people claiming on BSN (and other forums) that because the asari can 'romance' every other species, then it stands to reason that humans can too (because the asari have the same body as human females). The devs opened that fan service door with their design/lore of the asari, and I don't think it's getting closed any time soon . And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's a human/krogan romance in the new game - including a cringe worthy love scene.

[Mcfly616]

It's still their niche. Making every being compatible with every species is ridiculous. The Asari is one thing. But all of us screwing everybody.....are you sure we're not synthesized already?

[SNascimento]

Why there seems to be so many people with roman emperors as their avatar? I like that. 

[SolNebula]

Why there seems to be so many people with roman emperors as their avatar? I like that. 

 

Don't know. I like history and like Roman and classical art overall. My emperor is also a mad one.   

 

Back on topic IMO people are losing their minds on technicalities if this or that species are compatible with humans or not. Why bother? A good romance is made by giving a deep character to begin with, good dialogues and scenes. We barely see the technical part anyway....we should not lose our mind over this...but then again we wouldn't be fans

[Harie]

Well even though asari are supposed to have mind sex, there are indications that actual sex occurs. I mean they do have some sort of orifice to eliminate waste and to bare children, right? And then there is that dialogue in ME2 by the krogan on the citadel that say asari are too squishy and it is difficult to get a good grip...sounds like some thrusting and friction is involved, right?
 
I am more alarmed by the idea that turians have penises, especially bigger and longer than humans. Based on their pelvic size and shape it seems if they have anything it is internal, stays internal, or it is really really tiny. I'd assume based on there body shape in general they can't mount/or missionary eachother or they'ed bounce off eachother with those huge protruding upper torsos, so they mate like genital-less birds (and yes I know from Wrex that turians have small b*lls as do all birds have internal testes... before  garrusmancers argue they must have d*cks as well...most birds don't). No, I do not believe turians have d*cks. Look up 'cloacal kiss' for most likely turian mating practice. Femsheps a bit freaky .
 
Drell definately appear to be compatible with humans, but yeah, major fanservice with them anyway.
 
But any aliens romancing other aliens should be more an emotional and psychological thing than physical. I pray they don't have hybrids in the next game.

Yes, that's what I meant - it's implied that asari do engage in sexual activity. Which is stupid because like I said earlier, they're an all female species who don't reproduce sexually... they wouldn't desire that or find it pleasurable. Though I'm sure others will argue the contrary - they always do when it comes to the asari.

And I completely agree with you about turians - there's no way their genitalia/mating habits would be similar to humans given their body shape/relation to birds. But I think it is implied in-game (during the Garrus romance? I've never seen it) that they are very similar to humans in that regard.

IMO it's nothing but silly fan service that makes the aliens seem less alien... just to make them more appealing to the player.

Oh, and I wouldn't put hybrids past them either.

[ZipZap2000]

"And one or two actually try to kill you"

 

Please do this bioware. If shep ever cheated on Jack you can be damn sure she'd try to murder him. Wish that was in the game.

[themikefest]

I'll just stick with a human romancing a human.

[SolNebula]

"And one or two actually try to kill you"

 

Please do this bioware. If shep ever cheated on Jack you can be damn sure she'd try to murder him. Wish that was in the game.

 

Exactly make cheating a big deal or even better the actual romance in one game turned out to be a hired assassin trying to eliminate you....that would be fun.

[SNascimento]

I really wanted ME3 Miranda to be an antagonist, maybe in Kai Leng place or something like that. But the romances were too predictable, too ordinary. Maybe that could even be more general than romance alone? There were characters that stood to themselves like the VS, Wrex and Mordin but sometimes I felt people just worshiped Shepard too much. 

[Mordokai]

Yes, that's what I meant - it's implied that asari do engage in sexual activity. Which is stupid because like I said earlier, they're an all female species who don't reproduce sexually... they wouldn't desire that or find it pleasurable.

 

Why would you think they "wouldn't desire that or find it pleasurable"? Sure, it's not required for procreation, but who's to say they can't enjoy it?

[Farangbaa]

Exactly make cheating a big deal or even better the actual romance in one game turned out to be a hired assassin trying to eliminate you....that would be fun.

 

You don't seem to be aware how emotionally people react to having their trust violated by Bioware

 

(I for one think it's a great idea, but I also like the endings )

[Harie]

Why would you think they "wouldn't desire that or find it pleasurable"? Sure, it's not required for procreation, but who's to say they can't enjoy it?

Humans are a male/female sexually reproducing, sexually dimorphic species... asari are not (though they look sexually dimorphic, but that's another issue). They just wouldn't have evolved to be extremely similar to humans sexually (if they had any basis in reality) because there are no male asari and they have the ability to reproduce without physical contact. So it makes no sense for asari to have... err, certain erogenous zones and to respond to sexual stimuli in the same way human females do.

But saying this really seems to bother some people - not you - I've just seen others get really angry and dismissive in the past.

[crashsuit]

I want to see how a Volus romance would work

*psshk* "let's get laid"

[Mcfly616]

I really wanted ME3 Miranda to be an antagonist, maybe in Kai Leng place or something like that. 

 That would've been nice. Two people having a connection whilst being on opposing sides of the same war. Star-crossed for sure. Would've been an epic ending to the relationship. I would pay to see it.

 

 

Gotta make everyone happy though. This is why we'll never have truly great things.

[SNascimento]

Gotta make everyone happy though. This is why we'll never have truly great things.

[Mcfly616]

 back when Bioware had some artistic integrity.

[SNascimento]

 back when Bioware had some artistic integrity.

Nah, I think what made Bastila such a memorable, probably the most memorable, LI in Bioware games was the fact she was the only option in the game and heavily connected to the plot. In the trilogy, as you kind of mentioned, Bioware had to please different fans and as I see it were afraid to take risks.

[Seishoujyo]

I really wanted ME3 Miranda to be an antagonist, maybe in Kai Leng place or something like that. But the romances were too predictable, too ordinary. Maybe that could even be more general than romance alone? There were characters that stood to themselves like the VS, Wrex and Mordin but sometimes I felt people just worshiped Shepard too much. 

 

A romance with an antagonist that would be fun and original.

[Sanunes]

Nah, I think what made Bastila such a memorable, probably the most memorable, LI in Bioware games was the fact she was the only option in the game and heavily connected to the plot. In the trilogy, as you kind of mentioned, Bioware had to please different fans and as I see it were afraid to take risks.

 

I agree, BioWare is always in a no-win situation when it comes to their games.  People will complain that their characters don't represent them or that the content relating to all the different possible romances is weak compared to when there was only one option.  If they then did dedicate half the game to romances you would have the people that have no interest in them upset because the game is no longer catering to them and has become a "dating simulator" and its mandatory.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I want to see how a Volus romance would work

Quite beautifully.