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[Raizo]

Lot of great ideas in this topic, some of which I agree with, others that I don't. I think the one thing we all agree with is that there is plenty of room for improvement in general when it comes to romance in the ME games.

Bioware has emphasized on improving the romance system for DA:I by making it more dynamic, more mature and realistic.than anything they've done in the past. I'm looking forward to how this turns out. Hopefully they're good changes, and ME4 has the potential to make it even better than what ends up in DA:I

 

I can't wait to see how DA:I turns out. It's not just the romance thing, DA:I should give us some sort of indication as to general direction that Bioware is planning to take with their key franchises after the DA2 and ME3 controversies.

About romances in nME, I don't want them to be just talk to this character x times and then sex scene in the end. I want the world to acknowledge the romance. For me, the best romance in Bioware games was Bastila from KoTOR. It felt something out of a great film, with epic, personal and memorable moments.

I want that as well. I felt like I was cheated out of that in ME2 and ME3.

[von uber]

I always assumed the whole asari thing didn't involve plug and play but was purely mental for both.
Makes more sense to me.

[Mordokai]

I always assumed the whole asari thing didn't involve plug and play but was purely mental for both.
Makes more sense to me.

 

Liara says something along the lines that Union is more than just sex, in the first game, if memory serves. Granted, the difference between Union and Joining seems to have disappeared in the consecutive games, but what I took from this was that asari can still have sex in the... traditional way and that the mental joining is reserved for the individual that asari feels more connection with.

 

Basically a difference between one night stand and committed relationship. Plus, from what we see in Liara's love scenes in first and third game(and, to a lesser extent, second as well), there seems to be a lot of touching and kissing involved. It's not hard to imagine things progress like they do with humans from there.

[Fufunette]

Grayson explains it well in book. He has a relation with Aria's daughter.

[Mordokai]

There's also that conversation with Aethyta where she asks Liara how often she popped Shepard's heatsink, if Shepard and Liara are in relationship and Shepard is male. Which would imply that the two engage in penetrative sex. Or that Liara is that deviant.

 

It's always the quiet ones...

[Fufunette]

I always wondered how people can be that aware about private Shepard's relationship...   Like Liara knows if Shepard had a relation with someone else in ME2, before she becames SB... I bet there's some rats in Shepard's cabin... x)

[ZipZap2000]

If I could just add that accidentally triggering a 'romance moment' seems to happen to me a lot when I'm playing. I'll think I'm going for the paragon option but it's actually a trigger for something more than that, DA2 was fairly average but at least you knew what you were about to say someone in the context of your friendship.

[SNascimento]

I agree, BioWare is always in a no-win situation when it comes to their games.  People will complain that their characters don't represent them or that the content relating to all the different possible romances is weak compared to when there was only one option.  If they then did dedicate half the game to romances you would have the people that have no interest in them upset because the game is no longer catering to them and has become a "dating simulator" and its mandatory.

I think it's an evolution. It's not like romance in the trilogy were terrible, but there is much room for improvement that hopefully will come in the next game. But I kind of agree that all this romance talk is becoming out of control... for example, sometimes I go at the DAI boards and I feel that some people look to the characters as meat waiting to be eaten. What's the point of making romances just for the sake of it? They have to make sense, be meaningful. 

In short, Bioware shouldn't make romances because they can, but because they should.

[Sanunes]

I think it's an evolution. It's not like romance in the trilogy were terrible, but there is much room for improvement that hopefully will come in the next game. But I kind of agree that all this romance talk is becoming out of control... for example, sometimes I go at the DAI boards and I feel that some people look to the characters as meat waiting to be eaten. What's the point of making romances just for the sake of it? They have to make sense, be meaningful. 

In short, Bioware shouldn't make romances because they can, but because they should.

 

I never said they shouldn't, but there are always going to be compromises one way or the other and if a compromise is made people become very vocal about their dislike and how BioWare "sold them out".

[Han Shot First]

There's also that conversation with Aethyta where she asks Liara how often she popped Shepard's heatsink, if Shepard and Liara are in relationship and Shepard is male. Which would imply that the two engage in penetrative sex. Or that Liara is that deviant.

 

It's always the quiet ones...

 

Yeah, it's implied throughout the series that the Asari have sex and not just the mind f-ck. Besides Grayson being sweaty and exhausted after his romp with Liselle, Liara's 'more than just sex' dialogue, and Aethyta's banter, there is also the romance cutscenes with Liara & the Asari consort that imply it.

[von uber]

the romance cutscenes with Liara

 

Yep, nothing like a bit of femshep reverse missionary.. wait.. that's not right.. unless femshep has a..

 

[ZipZap2000]

'unless femshep has a'

 

Look closely you can see the straps.

[Fufunette]

Oh my gosh...

[Mordokai]

'unless femshep has a'

 

Look closely you can see the straps.

 

That's just Shepard being retarded and wearing underwear during sex. Actually, that seems to be a pretty prevalent amongs people in MEU. In fact, I think Liara is the only one decent enough to actually get, you know... naked.

 

But I approve of your dirty mind

[SolNebula]

Asari Azure the best thing ever made.

[PunMaster]

I agree, BioWare is always in a no-win situation when it comes to their games.  People will complain that their characters don't represent them or that the content relating to all the different possible romances is weak compared to when there was only one option.  If they then did dedicate half the game to romances you would have the people that have no interest in them upset because the game is no longer catering to them and has become a "dating simulator" and its mandatory.

 

This. This. This.

 

Where do Bioware draw the line on romances? Do you include romances where the LI breaks up with you for some real life reason? (Not interested, moving away, etc). If you restrict romances to certain races and you have X amount of races, who can date who and how much effort goes in? Do they let you choose where to go on a date, then cater for each way that date can go wrong? Do you break up on that date because you wouldn't share your Varren burger?

 

I'll concede that there are aspects they can improve in, small wins they can make to really improve the quality and experience. But if a LI is meant to compliment the game (Not turn it into a dating sim) then there are going to be a lot of limits, and people aren't going to like it.

 

Each person has their own dating experiences, these can't all be integrated into the game, the only choice Bioware have is to try their best to make a "themed romance" for each LI. Which they seemed to do. Eg. Tali was good for the typical innocent romance, where as Miranda was the self concious but confident romance. They covered a variety of LI themes and personalities and also catered reasonably well for people with different sexual preferences.

 

Each person has their idea of what it will take to satisfy them for an LI and I can appreciate the problem faced by Bioware of how do you address as many as possible in one go. Unfortunately I think they're going to cop a fair bit of flak no matter what they do and I really hope it doesn't put them off continuing LI's in the future.

[Farangbaa]

Well, I'm fine with whatever they do, as long as they get rid of the rape-ish romances.

ME2's Manshep/Jack romance was just plain wrong. The girl keeps telling you to get the f* away, but Manshep (her superior, btw) just keeps pushing her until she starts crying, and then pushes some more until she just doesn't know how to say no anymore.

 

ME3's Manshep/Jack romance is awesome though, but ME2's is wrong on so many levels.

 

But in ME3 we get Femshep doing about the same thing to James, except he doesn't cry

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

I believe this quote from a recent interview with Miles Tost, a level designer for CD Projekt RED, is at least slightly appropriate.

"We make mature games, for mature players (every Witcher game is for adults only) and sex is, well, a part of adult life. The key thing is not to overdo it, not to sell your game with sex. As long as you remain tactful in what you do, as long as you have a legitimate reason to put sex in your game, I think it’s quite safe to do so."

[Mcfly616]

I believe this quote from a recent interview with Miles Tost, a level designer for CD Projekt RED, is at least slightly appropriate.
 

 I read this interview awhile back. It immediately reminded me of how scared Bioware is to show actual nudity. Like, damn....own your "Mature" rating already. 

 

 

More booooobs (with nips lol). Wouldn't mind getting an idea of what some aliens "areas" look like either. Not that it's completely necessary, I would just like Mass Effect to grow up a bit in some aspects.

[Fufunette]

Poeple made scandal for ME 1 nudity scene so I bet they re afraid of this. But I think now that same poeple are most aware of this. I would like Bioware games be more mature...

[Mcfly616]

Poeple made scandal for ME 1 nudity scene so I bet they re afraid of this. But I think now that same poeple are most aware of this. I would like Bioware games be more mature...

 that was just Fox News being Fox News. They can't even be taken seriously. Just a bunch of propaganda day in and day out. 

 

 

Besides, there's much more graphic material out there in gaming today. Take the first 5 minutes of The Witcher 2. Full frontal. Awesome lol

 

 

Or GTA with Trevors junk just hanging there.....not so awesome.

[Mordokai]

 Besides, there's much more graphic material out there in gaming today.

 

And I find it funny we have scenes like this...

 

 

And that's ok. But no...

 

 

Shepard has to wear underwear during sex.

[N172]

They did it that way because of the americans.

[Farangbaa]

They did it that way because of the americans.

 

'cause nipples are the eyes of Satan.

[Farangbaa]

Poeple made scandal for ME 1 nudity scene so I bet they re afraid of this. But I think now that same poeple are most aware of this. I would like Bioware games be more mature...

 

You're from France, right?

 

Is the blood still coloured green over there instead of red?