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#101
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Aaaah what are you talking about ...?  o.O It's red... If I remember well... Yeah red... o.O
 
Edit: Lol I searched on google. I typed "Mass effect sang vert", but did not find anything.. Why did you ask me this ? :o


I thought that in France and Germany they coloured (human) blood green as a sort of censorship.

Turns out it's only Germany.

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Yeah... But DAO has mods. ME don't ! è.é*

 

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Well ok it's true but who makes love with clothes ? I mean, not fetishist... I wish proper scene sex. I don't ask youporn. But a realistic scene... A real love scene ! >.<

 

I agree, I'm sure there's a middle ground between realism and what would be accepted by rating boards. ME was close, still got a bit further to go :P The Witcher 2 seemed to be ok with the balance even if they were a bit tacky.

 

That is true, some games get watered down to be sold in certain countries. Witcher 2 I am sure gets that treatment.

 

But on that note, I found that a certain part of the Witcher 2 was censored in Australia. I believe when you save some women from the burning building you encounter one of them later on that offers to repay you with sex, which in the full game you can accept and voila stuff happens. But for the Australian release, it was removed so basically it gets hinted at and the conversation abruptly ends. Not that I felt like that censorship took out anything important, but it was still censored.



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I know its not the only one. Just top of my head type deal, GTA series most likely as well.

 

Curious, why cant those scenes be done properly if it gets banned from those particular countries anyways?



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It's funny how uptight some people are over sex but not violence isn't it.
What an odd world we live in.
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It's funny how uptight some people are over sex but not violence isn't it.
What an odd world we live in.


We should make a game uber. A game in which everytime you're about to kill someone the screen fades to black.
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It's funny how uptight some people are over sex but not violence isn't it.
What an odd world we live in.

 

Just shows how desensitized people are to it I guess. Which is scary by itself.



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I thought that in France and Germany they coloured (human) blood green as a sort of censorship.

Turns out it's only Germany.

Ah I never haired about this. Google.fr either. :P

 

 

It's funny how uptight some people are over sex but not violence isn't it.
What an odd world we live in.

That's non sense of good morality. Game is for mature players, and they censure mature content. I dun know, we could be shock by a gray nipple ? But show kid being explode by a red beam in the air is ok.

 

 

We should make a game uber. A game in which everytime you're about to kill someone the screen fades to black.

What a funny game... xD



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First, please don't write characters so that they automatically touch my Shepard up, playing Femshep with Asari touching my face all the time is creepy...or if you have to code it...then give me an interrupt to slap the hand away.

 

I don't like romances with subordinates on the ship (official subordinates; in ME1/3 Alliance soldiers and ME2 Cerberus ones), if you are going to do it at least make it a renegade only option...outside the chain of command team mates are ok.

 

I know that Tali and Garrus fans won't agree, but in ME2 we overhear a conversation where a Quarian and Turian are discussing just how dangerous it is for them to date humans. If you set a precedent like that, then make those romances only open to Renegade Shepard, because Paragon Shepard after hearing that should friendzone the characters for their safety. Maybe even make it so Tali or Garrus turn Paragon Shep down. Try to keep to your own rules.

 

I agree that not all romances should be straight...but equivalently not all should be bisexual. Have a mix of interesting characters, some straight, some bi and some same sex.

 

The romance should be recognised midgame not as a quick shag before final mission. Like in DA:O with Alistair, that was pretty well done :)

Other crewmates should comment on the relationship.

 

If the romance runs over several games...remember to write yourselves a note: XXXXX IS A LOVE INTEREST...no more repeats of Thane.  You created him for us ladies then you left our romance out to dry in ME3...whilst making forced dialogue flirts with people we dumped/disliked....Kaidan.



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There is no real danger for Garrus to date with him. There's still precautions to take.

Tali does researchs to make it happen, and she asks Mordin too. So even for paragon Shepard, if she says she will find a way, he trusts her. But at least, if she'd not find any way, she'd tell him. She's not suicidal....

 

It's most dangerous for Shepard to date with Thane. But hey, Mordin's there ! Mordin has the solution !

 

 

The romance should be recognised midgame not as a quick shag before final mission. Like in DA:O with Alistair, that was pretty well done :)

Other crewmates should comment on the relationship.

I agree. It's really not natural to say, "ok now we know we love each other. Let's wait 2 hours left before we go to die dear...."

Why.. ? <.<



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I admit that until ME3 I never romanced Garrus...but his dialogue in ME3 was so awesome, I went back to ME2 and dated him.

I have nothing against other people romancing Garrus and Tali, just that conversation in Illium pretty much put my Paragon Shepard off.

 

I am still sick over how Thanemancers were treated in ME3. Loaded ThaneMod and MEHEM to compensate. I was more interested in the 'drell human relations are complex' bit from Mordin...would have been fun to have had more information. The mild hallucinatory bit is likely to have not effected Shepard because of the mods which process poisons (remember the Batarian bartender who tried to poison Shepard on Omega ME2?)



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The forced flirting with kaiden had nothing on the forced flirting with Jacob.
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Thane is dying since ME2. I didn't romance him ok. But it do not shock me how they treat him in ME3... o.O



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There is no real danger for Garrus to date with him. There's still precautions to take.

Tali does researchs to make it happen, and she asks Mordin too. So even for paragon Shepard, if she says she will find a way, he trusts her. But at least, if she'd not find any way, she'd tell him. She's not suicidal....

 

Honestly, that both are options does seem a tad fan service-y. Garrus' saving grace is that his is a well-written romance. But Tali, well-written or not, has the issue of her being a bubble girl that will say that if she even so much as removes her suit in her own home, she could die, and that by normal means, it could take decades for her people to acclimate to their own homeworld, let alone a colony on a new one.

 

I've always felt that Tali's romance would probably have been more fitting if it was platonic, to emphasize just how severe her case is, and to drive home the tragedy of her people being unable to do simple things that others can.

 

 

It's most dangerous for Shepard to date with Thane. But hey, Mordin's there ! Mordin has the solution

 

Wait, how are any romance options dangerous for Shepard? This is the same person who can drink ryncol and live.



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If the romance runs over several games...remember to write yourselves a note: XXXXX IS A LOVE INTEREST...no more repeats of Thane.  You created him for us ladies then you left our romance out to dry in ME3...whilst making forced dialogue flirts with people we dumped/disliked....Kaidan.

He literally told you that he would die in a few months. What were you expecting? :huh:



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Wait, how are any romance options dangerous for Shepard? This is the same person who can drink ryncol and live.

True. xD

 

 

Honestly, that both are options does seem a tad fan service-y. Garrus' saving grace is that his is a well-written romance. But Tali, well-written or not, has the issue of her being a bubble girl that will say that if she even so much as removes her suit in her own home, she could die, and that by normal means, it could take decades for her people to acclimate to their own homeworld, let alone a colony on a new one.

 

I've always felt that Tali's romance would probably have been more fitting if it was platonic, to emphasize just how severe her case is, and to drive home the tragedy of her people being unable to do simple things that others can.

She took a lot of medicaments to prepare her imune system. Ok it's fan service as ... all romances ? And quariens dress off sometimes, in secure room. So, taking medicaments, or go to a secure room is quite the same.

 

And I prefer a sex scene with a pure character as Tali, than with a miss Boobs and Butt... :rolleyes:


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True. xD

 

She took a lot of medicaments to prepare her imune system. Ok it's fan service as ... all romances ? And quariens dress off sometimes, in secure room. So, taking medicaments, or go to a secure room is quite the same.

 

And I prefer a sex scene with a pure character as Tali, than with a miss Boobs and Butt... :rolleyes:

 

 

Also if I recall in ME3 (If you save Geth and Quarrian) she says that the Geth programs have been actively helping to boost the Quarrian's immune systems by simulating sickness and things, so suit-less Quarrians could only be years off. You'd probably still have most stay in their suits as a symbolic thing and given how integrated to their life they became, but still, progress :D



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She took a lot of medicaments to prepare her imune system. Ok it's fan service as ... all romances ? And quariens dress off sometimes, in secure room. So, taking medicaments, or go to a secure room is quite the same.

 

That's like claiming operating with a rusty knife in the back alley by a hacksaw is quite the same as operating by a scalpel in a clean room by a trained surgeon.



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Just shows how desensitized people are to it I guess. Which is scary by itself.

 

I'm not sure it's so much about being desensitised as it's about sex being a natural part of everyone's life, while (thank god) violence isn't. Most of us live in safety with the idea of violence seeming quite distant - more "fictional" in a way.



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That's like claiming operating with a rusty knife in the back alley by a hacksaw is quite the same as operating by a scalpel in a clean room by a trained surgeon.

It's funny but no. Whatever.



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That's like claiming operating with a rusty knife in the back alley by a hacksaw is quite the same as operating by a scalpel in a clean room by a trained surgeon.

 

Hospital Chairman: Dr. Nick, this malpractice committee has received a few complaints against you. Of the 160 gravest charges, the most troubling are performing major operations with a knife and fork from a seafood restaurant.

 

Dr. Nick Riviera: But I cleaned them with my napkin.



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I'm not sure it's so much about being desensitised as it's about sex being a natural part of everyone's life, while (thank god) violence isn't. Most of us live in safety with the idea of violence seeming quite distant - more "fictional" in a way.

 

hmm good point, I hadn't thought of that.



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That's why censure sex but accept hardcore violence everywhere is nonsense for me. I'm more shocked by poeple being explode by red beams, than see an alien nipples....



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Been awhile since I've been on the forums here but I'd just like to add my own thoughts on the matter.
I feel that they should keep the Romance treads they've had for the last two games but allow a deeper interaction between romanceable characters during missions and off-duty. There should be unique scripted events/actions/choices both on and off missions bad they should affect how the love interest and other NPCs react to you.

If you cheat on your love interest you should be receiving renegade points and if he/she finds out there should be different outcomes depending on how long you've cheated, their personality and how much they know. The possibly of killing your LI or them killing you or possible affects on mission success/failure should also occur.

There should also be unique missions and items only available if certain characters are romanced or break up.

Oh bad I swear I remember in one of the in-universe news articles leading up to ME3 that a doctor states that there's only ever been around a 10% chance of major allergic reactions between dextro and levo amino acid based beings? Not that an antihistamine shot before or afterwards shouldn't be prudent, better safe than sorry. :)

Frankly in real life there shouldn't be any major issues with body fluids or foods of a different amino acid type, should pass right through your system with no issues besides maybe some slight skin irritation and no real sustenance from the food.

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Been awhile since I've been on the forums here but I'd just like to add my own thoughts on the matter.
I feel that they should keep the Romance treads they've had for the last two games but allow a deeper interaction between romanceable characters during missions and off-duty. There should be unique scripted events/actions/choices both on and off missions bad they should affect how the love interest and other NPCs react to you.

If you cheat on your love interest you should be receiving renegade points and if he/she finds out there should be different outcomes depending on how long you've cheated, their personality and how much they know. The possibly of killing your LI or them killing you or possible affects on mission success/failure should also occur.

There should also be unique missions and items only available if certain characters are romanced or break up.

Oh bad I swear I remember in one of the in-universe news articles leading up to ME3 that a doctor states that there's only ever been around a 10% chance of major allergic reactions between dextro and levo amino acid based beings? Not that an antihistamine shot before or afterwards shouldn't be prudent, better safe than sorry. :)

Frankly in real life there shouldn't be any major issues with body fluids or foods of a different amino acid type, should pass right through your system with no issues besides maybe some slight skin irritation and no real sustenance from the food.

Strange you don't outright die then from the high quantity of dextro amino acids in your cerebral spinal fluid and other bodily fluids. Heat, tissue/fluid chemistry, pH, and age readily converts levo to dextro both in the body and in foods you eat as well, although we are mostly levo. Mass Effect's science on dextro/levo is for an alien vibe to be given to the already too human aliens and perhaps for dramatic effect; however, this and some other things are outdated (if not outright invalid). The writing team might want to update the science of the MEU. It turns out you, me, and every other human being IRL ARE levo and dextro beings.  I eat yogurt on a regular basis and have not developed skin irritations and received plenty of sustenance from the nutrients and the added benefit of lactobacillus bacteria (and its dextro amino acid cell walls). The real science is still in its early stages on understanding chirality, so it is understandable that the MEU is not that caught up.

 

Tali's issue was more a ...yeah I can eat the dextro food on board the Normandy BUT it must be sterilized first. Her immune system is the major issue and that goes for any sexual/physical interaction within her own species and outside of it. She won't just get irritations, she could die.



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First, please don't write characters so that they automatically touch my Shepard up, playing Femshep with Asari touching my face all the time is creepy...or if you have to code it...then give me an interrupt to slap the hand away.

 

I don't like romances with subordinates on the ship (official subordinates; in ME1/3 Alliance soldiers and ME2 Cerberus ones), if you are going to do it at least make it a renegade only option...outside the chain of command team mates are ok.

 

I know that Tali and Garrus fans won't agree, but in ME2 we overhear a conversation where a Quarian and Turian are discussing just how dangerous it is for them to date humans. If you set a precedent like that, then make those romances only open to Renegade Shepard, because Paragon Shepard after hearing that should friendzone the characters for their safety. Maybe even make it so Tali or Garrus turn Paragon Shep down. Try to keep to your own rules.

 

I agree that not all romances should be straight...but equivalently not all should be bisexual. Have a mix of interesting characters, some straight, some bi and some same sex.

 

The romance should be recognised midgame not as a quick shag before final mission. Like in DA:O with Alistair, that was pretty well done :)

Other crewmates should comment on the relationship.

 

If the romance runs over several games...remember to write yourselves a note: XXXXX IS A LOVE INTEREST...no more repeats of Thane.  You created him for us ladies then you left our romance out to dry in ME3...whilst making forced dialogue flirts with people we dumped/disliked....Kaidan.

I agree it is a bad idea to give the player another love interest that is destined to die no matter your choices. If they want to do it again, well then let the male pc's LI bite the dust. I think the ladies got enough reality in their video game in ME3 ;) . I do not agree with the "get over it" sentiment. I doubt anyone would get over a canon death for their LI so easily. Thane, however, was a warning sign of inevitable death. I expected him to die. His romance was poorly done and the citadel dlc only exasperated the lack of connection with him in Huerta for me. I grappled with how I thought Thane's ME2 writer would handle romanced Thane in ME3. My amateur conclusion is:

 

1) Thane and Shepard would get a date and love scene that was tasteful (see A Human Day fan comic that his ME2 writer said he enjoyed reading).

 

2) Thane would try to have shepard  and kolyat form a stepmom and stepson bond so he knows his son is safe when he passes and symbolically gifts shepard a son they could never have (I am resentful of the lack of bonding with kolyat in ME3 and in citadel dlc...he seems so distant/possibly angry?? with thanemacing femshep in citadel dlc).

 

3) Shepard would shed tears at his deathbed and they would say "I love you" to each other one final time (in hospice they tell you to say whatever you need to say to the dying person or regret it forever: "I'm sorry", "I forgive you", "Thank you", "I love you", whatever is needed to be said.

 

4) I do not believe his ME2 writer would have given him a choice to live  :(, and I feel that for thane his ending makes karmic sense.

 

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As for the quarian/turian (fleet/flotilla) convo at eternity, I think someone on the ME writing team was an avid talibration pusher and if they had their way, like jacob, garrus would have been made to cheat on femshep with tali. I honestly see the convo as flawed since a quarian would get much sicker from screwing a turian than a human (transmission of bacterial/viral diseases much easier between two dextros than a dextro and levo...if we stick within ME's lore). 

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One other thing. I have noticed garrusmancers and thanemancers at each other's throats sometimes. All the femsheps need solidarity. Now from a purely psychological/emotional  point of view I ship Shakarian; the two hardcore soldiers who are out to dispense justice in an unjust galaxy (reminds me of Drake and Vasquez in Aliens), and have leaned on each other's shoulders since ME1. Thane's limited lifespan along with the whole dead wife thing really hampered the development of their relationship in that limited time they had (please ME:Next writing team do not combine carth syndrome and impending death in the future...a toxic mix).  I am regretful I had to mod the game to romance Thane with my maleshep, but had thane been a bi option, I could get over the dead wife thing by reasoning he was gay and in the closet during his marriage :P .