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[SporkFu]

Thing that bothered me about the prologue was that we didn't get shep's trial, or tribunal, or hearing, or whatever you want to call it. That should have been the end of Arrival. For someone who never followed any pre-release information after the game was announced... well, except official trailers... shep being under house arrest on Earth was kinda jarring. The only clue I had for what happened was Hackett's debrief at the end of Arrival. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Thing that bothered me about the prologue was that we didn't get shep's trial, or tribunal, or hearing, or whatever you want to call it. That should have been the end of Arrival. For someone who never followed any pre-release information after the game was announced... well, except official trailers... shep being under house arrest on Earth was kinda jarring. The only clue I had for what happened was Hackett's debrief at the end of Arrival. 

 

For me it felt like the first day of school and I forgot to do a summer reading assignment.

[DeinonSlayer]

The opening of ME3. While not horrible, I hated all of the obligatory newbie/dumb dialogue. Stuff like ''The Citadel? The fight's here!'' makes me cringe knowing what Shepard should actually be saying, something like ''It'll take everything the galaxy can muster, from the Citadel and beyond, to win this fight.'' Then again I hated the whole marketing focus on saving earth, why not the galaxy?

 

Then we have the leaving earth scene and I get right back into the game of feels 

Shepard's unrelenting fixation on Earth was pretty jarring, being as we were never given a reason to really give a crap about it before either in-universe or as a character. The only Shepard who had any personal connection to Earth was Earthborn Shepard, who, judging by his/her backstory, joined the military as soon as legally possible for the express purpose of escaping that snake pit.

 

Spacer? Colonist? With the entire galaxy under siege, your priority is now Earth. This was certainly one area we could have used more branching dialogue, but I guess they were counting on the newbie appeal in marketing. Shepard's little "abandon your burning planet to save mine!" schtick on Menae kinda made me want to punch my screen. I learned to make judicious use of the spacebar in subsequent playthroughs.

 

For example, my canon Shepard was a colonial whose intent spoken in-game was to build a house on Rannoch after the war. For this Shepard (and most of yours, I imagine) Earth would never have been "home" in any sense, past, present, or future (save for six months spent in Alliance lockup doing absolutely nothing to prepare for the coming invasion), making the autodialogue we get on the shuttle with Anderson 100% out-of-character.

[Matthias King]

In all fairness, I don't think it was necessary to give Shepard a 'reason' to care about Earth.  He's a human and Earth is the human homeworld, not to mention the billions of people here, so I took no issue with that.  I think the fact that Earth was never a featured location in the series up to that point might have made it seem jarring, but to me I didn't question that part.  It was just the questionable dialogue and word choice that made the prologue scene not work very well.

 

Also, I may be in the minority on this, but I didn't mind that they skipped Shepard's trial.  It would have been even more jarring, in my opinion, to start the game with that, especially for people who didn't play Arrival and didn't have the context, then once that's finished, flash forward six months to when the Reapers invade.  I think hitting the ground running the way they did was the right idea, I just think the scene could have been written quite a bit better, and a little more dialogue between Shepard, James, and Anderson about what happened during Arrival (for those who didn't play it) would have helped a little too.

 

But either way, the prologue scene seems to be a popular choice.

[Quarian Master Race]

3rd? What's #2?

Allowing the Upload, duh. RIP in peace Tali ,Raan, Reegar, Veetor, ME3 non douche Koris and of course the wonderful Daro'Xen<3 . Even Han'Gerrel, assuming that the idiot pantomime villian doppelganger who took over his cool ME2 personality ate him and his essence is still in there somewhere.

It doesn't get #1 though, because it was contrived for drama purposes (just like Mordin's pointless death when curing and Legion's pointless "personality dissemination" death in the truce options). Tali and the rest of the Quarians An Hero for basically no reason. All that should have happened is that imposter Gerrel get his stupid ass blown up and you lose the Heavy fleet as a war asset, while the Geth laugh their asses off and the rest of the quarians in the civilian,  research and patrol fleets (who didn't obey Gerrel's attack order over their own fleet commanders for no reason) just facepalm at the stupid taking place before them.

No #1 goes to Legion's death at the hands of Tali (non interrupt) and their last exchange. I cri evritiem (well, the one time I picked it just to see what happened)

Strangely, I like killing the Geth VI and shooting it many many times.....screw that imposter

[ImaginaryMatter]

Shepard's unrelenting fixation on Earth was pretty jarring, being as we were never given a reason to really give a crap about it before either in-universe or as a character. The only Shepard who had any personal connection to Earth was Earthborn Shepard, who, judging by his/her backstory, joined the military as soon as legally possible for the express purpose of escaping that snake pit.

 

Spacer? Colonist? With the entire galaxy under siege, your priority is now Earth. This was certainly one area we could have used more branching dialogue, but I guess they were counting on the newbie appeal in marketing. Shepard's little "abandon your burning planet to save mine!" schtick on Menae kinda made me want to punch my screen. I learned to make judicious use of the spacebar in subsequent playthroughs.

 

For example, my canon Shepard was a colonial whose intent spoken in-game was to build a house on Rannoch after the war. For this Shepard (and most of yours, I imagine) Earth would never have been "home" in any sense, past, present, or future (save for six months spent in Alliance lockup doing absolutely nothing to prepare for the coming invasion), making the autodialogue we get on the shuttle with Anderson 100% out-of-character.

 

The other weird part about take back Earth is that we're repeatedly told that the Reapers can not be beaten conventionally, yet we spend half the game collecting resources for such an attempt anyway. It's also never explained what anyone hopes to accomplish by taking back Earth or why the resources can't be committed to defend Palaven or someplace that's doing a much better job of stalling the Reapers.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Well, when I couldn't import my Shepard, then when the dialogue wheel was stupid, then when Anderson told my Shepard they were fight, then the boring, badly written drama-filled Mars mission, then Ashley being in a coma after finally having her in the sqaud again for 2 seconds. And then Shepard saying stupid stuff that he would never have said in the first 2 games without giving me an alternative choice.

 

And that was...the first mission in the game. 

[Quarian Master Race]

The other weird part about take back Earth is that we're repeatedly told that the Reapers can not be beaten conventionally, yet we spend half the game collecting resources for such an attempt anyway. It's also never explained what anyone hopes to accomplish by taking back Earth or why the resources can't be committed to defend Palaven or someplace that's doing a much better job of stalling the Reapers.

Or why the Reapers bring the Citadel above Earth for a Michael Bay high noon showdown with the forces of the galaxy instead of just, you know, hiding it in deep space somewhere and continuing to harvest.

[AlanC9]

Shepard's unrelenting fixation on Earth was pretty jarring, being as we were never given a reason to really give a crap about it before either in-universe or as a character. The only Shepard who had any personal connection to Earth was Earthborn Shepard, who, judging by his/her backstory, joined the military as soon as legally possible for the express purpose of escaping that snake pit.

 

Spacer? Colonist? With the entire galaxy under siege, your priority is now Earth. This was certainly one area we could have used more branching dialogue, but I guess they were counting on the newbie appeal in marketing. Shepard's little "abandon your burning planet to save mine!" schtick on Menae kinda made me want to punch my screen. I learned to make judicious use of the spacebar in subsequent playthroughs.

 

For example, my canon Shepard was a colonial whose intent spoken in-game was to build a house on Rannoch after the war. For this Shepard (and most of yours, I imagine) Earth would never have been "home" in any sense, past, present, or future (save for six months spent in Alliance lockup doing absolutely nothing to prepare for the coming invasion), making the autodialogue we get on the shuttle with Anderson 100% out-of-character.

 

Earth nevertheless is home to 99.5% of the human race.

 

I'd like to think that Alaskans would be slightly disturbed if something happened to the continental USA. 

[DeinonSlayer]

Earth nevertheless is home to 99.5% of the human race.
 
I'd like to think that Alaskans would be slightly disturbed if something happened to the continental USA.

This is more like an event where the whole of the earth is threatened, and Shepard (having never lived there) wants the focus of international effort poured specifically into saving the state of California.

[Brainarius]

The fact that Shepard and Joker seem horribly afraid of using the Normandy in direct Ship-to-Ship combat. The Normandy blew the Collector Cruiser to pieces in maybe 3, 4 shots. Why should Joker be worried about 1 single Cerberus Cruiser? Given the Normandy's weapons, speed and shielding, it could probably kill any single ship cruiser and under that's not a Reaper. Also, why does Bioware like the Avenger and the Predator so much?

[Brainarius]

It would make me feel like my effort was more worth it if I has seen more variety in the aliens on Earth for the final Battle. Where's the Geth Primes, Armatures and Colossi, along with Aria's mercs? Also, they always mention tanks in the side chatter but there are no tanks, only IFVs and some Mobile Anti-Air.

[Reorte]

The fact that Shepard and Joker seem horribly afraid of using the Normandy in direct Ship-to-Ship combat. The Normandy blew the Collector Cruiser to pieces in maybe 3, 4 shots. Why should Joker be worried about 1 single Cerberus Cruiser? Given the Normandy's weapons, speed and shielding, it could probably kill any single ship cruiser and under that's not a Reaper. Also, why does Bioware like the Avenger and the Predator so much?

Presumably other Cerberus ships now have the same armament, and bigger Cerberus ships have more powerful versions of it.

The Avenger and Predator are defaults that everyone will at least have in their inventory and are capable of firing multiple shots so that the cutscene doesn't have to be redesigned if you're only carrying single-shot weapons. Still looks lazy though.

[Reorte]

In all fairness, I don't think it was necessary to give Shepard a 'reason' to care about Earth.  He's a human and Earth is the human homeworld, not to mention the billions of people here, so I took no issue with that.  I think the fact that Earth was never a featured location in the series up to that point might have made it seem jarring, but to me I didn't question that part.  It was just the questionable dialogue and word choice that made the prologue scene not work very well.

Then Shepard expressing concern about Earth in private conversations would be fine, but not "Let your homeworld burn to help ours please!" to major leaders. Vega's attitude is more plausible - he wants to get back there but seems to know that that's not where the job is.
 

Also, I may be in the minority on this, but I didn't mind that they skipped Shepard's trial.  It would have been even more jarring, in my opinion, to start the game with that, especially for people who didn't play Arrival and didn't have the context, then once that's finished, flash forward six months to when the Reapers invade.

A trial could've been a useful infodump for new players I suppose.

[Daemul]

Tolan doesn't die on Sur'kesh, it's just some random salarian, you meet Tolan on earth where Kirrahe would be.

One piece of advice though, if you have Tolan in your current save, don't take Garrus, EDI or Liara on that mission, the amount of strawman arguments that they make in order to descredit Tolan's view is astounding. I just take Vega and Javik on that mission from now on, since they weren't hit with the Bioware logic stick.

Some writers at Bioware really seem to have a problem with keeping an objective mind set when writing characters or arcs.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Earth nevertheless is home to 99.5% of the human race.

 

I'd like to think that Alaskans would be slightly disturbed if something happened to the continental USA. 

 

Yeah, that's one complaint I don't get.

 

Earth is the homeworld. Despite being from somewhere else, you'd think that people would realize that Earth is still the crown jewel, so to speak, and home to the vast majority of humans in the galaxy. Earth's fate really is linked with that of humanity.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

This is more like an event where the whole of the earth is threatened, and Shepard (having never lived there) wants the focus of international effort poured specifically into saving the state of California.

 

That's really an inaccurate analogy. 

[Ianamus]

The problem was Shepard specifically saying that he/she wants to stay on Earth and fight, despite the fact that their entire crew and potential romance partner are out there, potentially dying to the Reapers as well. 

 

Considering this is a person who has been working with and getting deeply involved with alien governments and people for years it doesn't make sense for them to suddenly become so obsessed with staying on Earth to the point they are entirely tunnel-visioned about it. 

 

You'd think that a Sheaprd who romanced Garrus's first reaction would be "Has Palaven been attacked?! is Garrus alright?" And a similar thing for ones who romanced Tali and the Migrant fleet. Not "Earth earth earth earth, earth!". It's the fact he or she shows absolutely no thought for their alien friends/ lover at that point that I really can't stand. 

[Barquiel]

The introduction of the crucible on Mars definitely gave me a bad feeling. I mean, I knew the Reapers could not be defeated through conventional means. I pretty much saw it coming since the end of ME1 that we were going to need something special to defeat them. But suddenly everyone automatically assumes that 'this thing we know NOTHING about' was indeed a superweapon that can defeat the reapers?

The catalyst arc is pretty stupid as well. The best council scientists/engineers were working on the Crucible project, but we're supposed to believe that no one has noticed that you can attach the crucible to the inner side of the Citadel...despite having the exact plans? We need some prothean VI to tell us? And the earth-centrism of the plot also bothered me to no end.

[themikefest]

For me its all of sudden my femshep has to like these characters that she never gave a crap about in the previous games. In ME3, at times I was playing Bioware's Shepard and not the Shepard that I had in ME1 and ME2

[von uber]

I could never understand why a trilogy romanced Liara didn't bother visiting Shep in prison.

[Iakus]

Or why the Reapers bring the Citadel above Earth for a Michael Bay high noon showdown with the forces of the galaxy instead of just, you know, hiding it in deep space somewhere and continuing to harvest.

You answered your own question.

 

Rule of Cool

[DeinonSlayer]

That's really an inaccurate analogy.

Is it? If anything, I'd think Shepard would recognize that the best way to help humanity would be to pour everything they could into the Crucible and finish it as fast as possible, so as to wipe the Reapers out across the board, saving Earth in the process. Not amassing a fleet specifically to throw at the Reapers on Earth. As you've noted in the past, conventional victory is not on the table; we'd lose more than we'd gain as the result of doing what Shepard told Anderson before going to Mars - bringing the entire galactic fleet to Earth when the entire galaxy is under attack. The only real reason I saw to go back there was that that's where the Citadel was taken, because it was needed for activation (moving it there was mostly a bid by the writers to make Earth relevant again).

If Shepard's goal is saving humanity, the best way to accomplish that is through the Crucible effort; not rallying the entire galaxy for what amounts to a bayonet charge to liberate one small part of it. We're given no reason, in terms of Shepard's personal history (save for Anderson's presence there) or its value as a military objective, to be so fixated on Earth. Whether to place personal value on Earth or the galaxy as a whole is an area where RP could have been improved with more dialogue options.

I could never understand why a trilogy romanced Liara didn't bother visiting Shep in prison.

Renegade Shepard's got your answer: "I think your work here was more important."

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Is it? If anything, I'd think Shepard would recognize that the best way to help humanity would be to pour everything they could into the Crucible and finish it as fast as possible, so as to wipe the Reapers out across the board, saving Earth in the process. Not amassing a fleet specifically to throw at the Reapers on Earth. As you've noted in the past, conventional victory is not on the table; we'd lose more than we'd gain as the result of doing what Shepard told Anderson before going to Mars - bringing the entire galactic fleet to Earth when the entire galaxy is under attack. The only real reason I saw to go back there was that that's where the Citadel was taken, because it was needed for activation (moving it there was mostly a bid by the writers to make Earth relevant again).

If Shepard's goal is saving humanity, the best way to accomplish that is through the Crucible effort; not rallying the entire galaxy for a bayonet charge to liberate one small part of it.

 

I'm with you on that sentiment, but I'm sort of against the sentiment of 'why does my Shepard even care about Earth. He/she wasn't born there', and that was what my argument was geared towards, not towards the 'all species, drop everything and help me with Earth!' attitude in the game. Your argument seemed to support the sentiment I'm opposed to so I called it out. Now that you've clarified it, I'll recant my statement.