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[Eelectrica]

That's irrelevant in this case, though. Also, they can hardly bleed you dry if you never use them.

 

Multiplayer only gets developed if they can make a profit out of it. Like anything in any business, ever. Apart from the money made by attracting new players to the series and encouraging people to keep their discs (reducing second hand sales and boosting DLC sales), microtransactions might be a significant source of income that allows them to make further DLC packs.

 

If there were no microtransactions, there'd probably be no multiplayer, or it'd be a much riskier thing to spend their money on.

 

In any event, the best way to discourage microtransactions is not to buy them. Let people who do use them subsidise future DLC packs, and enjoy playing the game.

I could comment, but this is not the thread for it.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

The one thing that bothers me about this argument is that people are assuming things so much. Who knows if there's multiplayer or not? Why argue how bad it will be before we are even told it exists nevermind what it's like. But everyone does have a right to their opinion. The one thing that I'm excited about here is that, no matter what it is, this "big announcement" is happening in less that 14 days. It's so close I can taste it and I still don't have a clue on what it will be and I love that. (Plus, no matter what, I have a feeling this will be good, BioWare and even EA seem to be pulling out every stop).

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I am personally against multiplayer for RPGs like Dragon Age, that is not to say I hate it because I love the multiplayer for Mass Effect. All I know is that there was article a day or maybe two days ago that clearly stated that multiplayer was not likely to happen. I would still get DAI if there was multiplayer that in NO way, shape, or form got in the way of the single player experience. I think the big announcement will be either the LIs being revealed or perhaps a Character Creation demo.

[Alan Rickman]

In spite of what BSN would like to believe, the two remaining romances are not something gaming sites would try to hype ahead of time as a "big announcement".

[efd731]

In spite of what BSN would like to believe, the two remaining romances are not something gaming sites would try to hype ahead of time as a "big announcement".

. But but but.....the people need to know about their potential Waifu!! Otherwise there will be gnashing of teeth and wailing and pulling out of hair....or as most people who have been here for over a month call it, Monday. On topic: I'm hoping that it's a beta for the keep personally, would give my first born and my left nut for access to that. Let me play god with the world states Allready bioware!!

[ElitePinecone]

In spite of what BSN would like to believe, the two remaining romances are not something gaming sites would try to hype ahead of time as a "big announcement".

 

I suspect neither is the Keep, to be honest. It's... nifty, and pretty cool, but save imports aren't the sort of thing that make magazines talk about being excited.

 

That'll get far more coverage when they're actually ready to reveal it to everybody.

 

(Tangent: maybe they can't reveal the Keep yet because it's integrated into multiplayer, and they need to announce that first.)

[Sylvius the Mad]

Those two things seem like reasons to ignore DAI's MP, rather than not wanting it in the game at all. I would've thought you'd be pretty neutral about something you don't want to use, and can't use.

What about players that do enjoy tactical combat and do live in areas with good internet connections?

Not wanting something is different from wanting it not to exist.

I don't want MP, because I will almost certainly never play it. I probably gain nothing from its inclusion (I probably also lose nothing). As such, I am indifferent.

Being indifferent is incompatible with want. I cannot both want something and be indifferent to it.

Therefore, "I do not want multiplayer" is consistent with my indifference.

[HowlingSiren]

I'm going to jump in here as one of those controversial, bad, dumb people who paid microtransactions for ME3 MP. 20$ if I recall, it might have been more. 

 

Well, I did it by choice, I did it happily and I would do it again. Why? Because at that time I had spent more than 700 hours having tons of fun in ME3 MP and I wanted to say thank you to BioWare. As far as I'm concerned, I got far more than my initial money's worth and I certainly did not feel entitled to all the new content we were given. I chose to reward a company with money for what I consider a great service: the free DLCs kept on coming, the bugs were getting fixed, the weapons balanced, the developers were on the forums interacting with players. It was a good time. 

 

In short: I saw it as a tip. And if idiots like me keep tipping, good for everyone else getting free content. Everybody wins. 

[FarDareisMai]

In spite of what BSN would like to believe, the two remaining romances are not something gaming sites would try to hype ahead of time as a "big announcement".

I dunno....if the announcement was that Varric is romanceable I think a lot of people might explode from over-happiness. 

[bEVEsthda]

I was going to stay out of the MP discussion. But reading through the comments, a few reactions sparked.

 

I'm principally opposed to the argument of including things in a game in order to reach another audience, or a bigger audience.

That goes for MP as well. However, the case is not clear.

 

MP definitely saved CoD's bacon when various developers lost their marbles about what was special about CoD. But I also predict it won't work indefinitely.

I'm more doubtful about that ME mp had a positive effect on sales. It definitely has for the longevity of interest in the game. But that's not immediately the same. People actually looking for MP simply look elsewhere than to a RPG for that. It was more a case of ME players discovering that they liked the MP. But I suppose the prolonged life of the game will have positive effects for the sales of a follow up. Otherwise, likely the ME3-end would have been the end, literally.

 

Including MP in a game will definitely affect SP. But again the case is not clear that it will necessarily be in a negative way. The changes to the structure concept may be positive, i.e. force the developers to do it the right way, which will open up things also for the SP.

I don't believe that the concept of separate budgets actually work. But it is a way to get a higher total budget, and if you're clever about how you go about things, it might mean spilling over into enhancements also to the SP.

Basically, it's not clear that including MP will be either positive or negative. But it does provide the publishers with a sort of additional safeguard, like the examples of CoD and ME indicates.

 

If DA:I includes MP, I suggest we don't automatically assume it's all for bad, even if we don't want MP, or don't like MP. OK, let's see what's it's about, seem a more reasonable reaction.

 

And this post does not indicate that I think the 'big announcement' will be about MP. It could be anything.

[SofaJockey]

We need to keep an eye on the pinch of salt also.

 

How often has a gaming journalist misunderstood something?

This is one throw-away line by one journalist.

 

Cameron's comment could mean a number of different things.

 

Sure, I have my own 'best case scenario', as do you, but these are speculations and to start counting the days would be presumptuous.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I dunno....if the announcement was that Varric is romanceable I think a lot of people might explode from over-happiness. 

 

I would be one of them .

 

However, that doesn't mean that game journalists (or BioWare) think the two remaining romances are big news.

[Chron0id]

 

The people who aren't interested in MP and just don't care one way or the other might indeed not be a minority, the people who are diametrically opposed to its inclusion however, definitely are.
 

citation. needed.

[ElitePinecone]

How often has a gaming journalist misunderstood something?

 

Uh.

 

If Destructoid is talking about a big announcement coming with further coverage, it means they've already seen and played whatever it is. There is absolutely no room for misunderstanding there.

 

They probably have an article already written waiting for the embargo to end.

[Lilium]

I hope it isn't MP purely because I'm selfish and hope it's something else they announce   (though I can't really see what other announcement would count as "big")

 

EDIT: NVM I misunderstood something

[SofaJockey]

(sigh)

 

Statements:

• 'More people hate multiplayer'
• 'More people want multiplayer'

are subjective.

 

We simply don't have the data, though I'm sure BioWare/EA do.

We know from Pax East that they were open to the idea (Apr 2012) http://www.gamespot..../embed/6370991/ (2:40-4:05)

We know they were surveying people in August 2012 on the matter and they have a load of ME3 MP data. http://www.vg247.com...evealed-report/

 

There is also a balance here:

• If the number of people who hate it so much that a separate MP would stop their purchase of SP
• is less than the number of people who would be attracted to the game because of it
• and it fits with the ethos and story
• and it works technically

Then why not?

 

I would guess that more homophobes who don't like romances they don't have to do, will be put off

than single players who don't like multiplayer they don't have to do, will be put off.

(note: I am not in any way likening the moral or actual equivalence of those two groups of people)

 

I don't think BioWare should be phased by either the former or the latter.

 

The last thought is that the push-back from Fall 2013 to Fall 2014 was surely not simply to add 3 races as protagonists?

The DigiExpo  leaked demo (Finland Nov 2013) was looking in a good state. What else has a year's delay been for? https://www.youtube....h?v=80frogBXfNY

 

The games market is also changing as multiplayer's technical capability increases,

and there's an interesting Den of Geek article about that here.

 

Anyway, I don't want to derail this possible announcement thread with a multiplayer fight.

There a thread for that.

 

I just wanted to share that there's a great deal that we simply don't know, so getting upset about it is premature in my opinion.

[Askanison666]

Most likely DA Keep release. 

 

Please no multiplayer.

 

If it is a release date for DA Keep I would be stoked. I'm curious as to what kind of things Bioware will let you take into account when creating the world state.

 

As for multiplayer, if it is something like ME3 where you can add assets/squads to your efforts it could work. I didn't really play a lot of the ME3 multiplayer though. I would likely try it out and then ignore it for the main game.

[Beerfish]

citation. needed.

Funny how you make a comment earlier in the thread with absolutley zero data to back it up, then when another person makes the very same comment opposed to your views you come up with this gem.  And you wonder why you have been challenged 'harshly' in this and other threads.

[ElitePinecone]

Funny how you make a comment earlier in the thread with absolutley zero data to back it up, then when another person makes the very same comment opposed to your views you come up with this gem.  And you wonder why you have been challenged 'harshly' in this and other threads.

 

Yep.

 

Like someone said earlier, we simply do not have the evidence or information to support either viewpoint. The BSN hivemind is not appropriate evidence.

 

Making assumptions either way is silly. EA and Bioware have actual statistics on what their fans and other players like, and they'll do what they think is best regardless of what any one person thinks on here.

[schall_und_rauch]

we will just have to see what the announcement is later this month but if i would have to guess  it would be one of the following...
 

• The Keep
• App
• Character information
• Details on Hawke and the Warden
• Skyhold
• Inquisitor details
• DLC
• Multiplayer
• co-op
• Release details
• Some event like ME3's
• Characters

Let's do everything: the release date of a DLC app for coop multiplayer which starts with a big event in Skyhold and ties in some aspects of the inquisition in a gigantic battle against the characters, Hawke and the hero of Fereldon.

...or something.

[Maria Caliban]

We know that ME 3 MP was popular enough to pay for three unique DLCs, an added achievement system with unique badges and game scores, and a bunch of weekly community events*. The developers have told us that MP was far more successful than they'd anticipated.

It doesn't matter whether the majority of players want MP; what matters is that there's a large enough group of players willing to support it and make it a solid revenue stream.

That BioWare is making an MP only game (Shadow Realm) and intends to include MP in the next Mass Effect game is excellent evidence that they see multiplayer as profitable, and worth any sales possibly lost to people who won't buy anything with MP in it.

*All of this was paid for by microtransactions.

[ElitePinecone]

I think in the end ME3 MP got five separate DLC packs, which is pretty crazy.

 

(and as people said, the devs got more adventurous towards the final packs, making a variety of classes that could serve in support roles instead of always doing damage)

[schall_und_rauch]

It doesn't matter whether the majority of players want MP; what matters is that there's a large enough group of players willing to support it and make it a solid revenue stream.

And they need to make it work and integrate it somehow into Thedas. While the driver is business based (aka $$$), they also need to find some way not to make it look ridiculous. A great SP game only might look better to. the reviews than of a great SP bundled together with a horrible, illogical and absurd MP.

[Maria Caliban]

I don't think integrating it will be difficult.

The Inquisitor is the head of a massive organization who often sends out agents into the field. You'll probably play one of those agents. You can get simple objective like 'Clear this castle of Avvar barbarians.' 'Defend this mine from undead.' 'Explore this ancient elven ruin.'