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why only Hawke , and NOT the Hero of ferelden!? I have the answer


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Nightwing99

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 everyone is asking  Why only  Hawke was in the  Trailer and not the Hero of ferelden and the answer is  Easy and obvious

 

 

the Trailers follow dragon age bioware canon and in the canon the Hero of ferelden is a  Dalish elf  that did the sacrifices  that why the Hero of ferelden is not in the new  Trailer 

 

 

and for who asking is the Warden  With Hawke  Alistair no in the  dragon age bioware canon he becomes King 

 


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You missed out the small but very significant detail of being able to create your own world state in the Keep.

So your theory does not really hold water.

Personally, I would be glad if the Warden does not appear at all to allow people with mommy issues to finally move on.


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Partially because as far as I remember, there are simply too many differences. The Warden could have been an Elf (Which further branches to City and Dalish, which ARE different by Vallaslin, or lack thereof), Human or Dwarf (Again, the Casteless Commoner would have a 'Brand', the Noble would not).

 

Also, I believe they don't try to "follow their own canon", rather than go the way of "Nobody gets insulted".

 

Would sure suck if they retconned stuff though. I can remember the Warden-Commander Kallian Tabris, hailing from the great city of Denerim surviving the Blight and the Amaranthine conflict, before reuniting with her friend Morrigan for a brief while. It would also equally suck if they just said "Oh, yup, the Warden's dead for years now, deal with it."

 

That's just my two coppers, though.



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You missed out the small but very significant detail of being able to create your own world state in the Keep.

So your theory does not really hold water.

Personally, I would be glad if the Warden does not appear at all to allow people with mommy issues to finally move on.

Eh, no, it makes no difference

In the trailer we see ONE state of the world, likely the default since Hawke is a mage. Not every possible

Meaning that this is the Orlesian Warden-Commander from DA:A who does the business if the HoF died

So this theory makes perfect sense


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Eh, no, it makes no difference

In the trailer we see ONE state of the world, likely the default since Hawke is a mage. Not every possible

Meaning that this is the Orlesian Warden-Commander from DA:A who does the business if the HoF died

So this theory makes perfect sense

What about if the HoF is alive then? Would it still be the orlesian warden-commander?



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What about if the HoF is alive then? Would it still be the orlesian warden-commander?

Likely it would be HoF. That's how Bioware deals with possibly-dead characters. They replace them with someone as cool, though usually much more jerkish



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I want my mage Saul Ammel to meet his cousin, Katherine Hawke and then kick butt together!!!

I'll have to age Saul up though since I think 10 years have passed :)


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You missed out the small but very significant detail of being able to create your own world state in the Keep.

So your theory does not really hold water.

Personally, I would be glad if the Warden does not appear at all to allow people with mommy issues to finally move on.

 

Move on?

 

How long have you been a member of the BSN?

 

People here do not "move on"...they're quite vocal and proud of it actually...  :rolleyes:

 

 

 everyone is asking  Why only  Hawke was in the  Trailer and not the Hero of ferelden and the answer is  Easy and obvious

 

 

the Trailers follow dragon age bioware canon and in the canon the Hero of ferelden is a  Dalish elf  that did the sacrifices  that why the Hero of ferelden is not in the new  Trailer 

 

 

and for who asking is the Warden  With Hawke  Alistair no in the  dragon age bioware canon he becomes King 

 

 

While a perfectly valid assumption (as are most things I disagree with regarding this mater) I (quite naturally) have to disagree.

 

We have NO IDEA on the story state at the time of the demo, and likely never will. 

 

Feel free to speculate away, but at least try to keep the above bit in mind. 


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You missed out the small but very significant detail of being able to create your own world state in the Keep.

So your theory does not really hold water.

Personally, I would be glad if the Warden does not appear at all to allow people with mommy issues to finally move on.

 

Except how are Bioware supposed to indicate that someone's presence is conditional based on world state within a trailer, without showing us the same scene several times with multiple characters?

 

The idea that the Warden not appearing in the trailer is because in the world state of the scene we're watching from that trailer, the Warden might be dead, seems to make a lot of sense to me.

 

Your argument that the Warden's not in the trailer because we've got the Keep to have them alive, is like suggesting that we should ignore everything we saw in the demo footage of Redcliffe castle, because the Inquisitor in that case was female and Qunari, whereas we have the CC to create whatever race and gender Inquisitor we wish?

 

I suspect that if the Warden does appear, it's going to be kept as a surprise and they're not going to announce it in a trailer.

 

(Although, I'm just as apathetic to seeing them again as you are. The Warden was awesome, but let it go people! Hawke's appearance excites me, but I'm filled with just as much dread that their appearing could lead them to being killed off unceremoniously, which was a shame because I really liked that character. I'd rather the Warden and Hawke just stay as background characters and if they do appear, have very little impact on the overall plot)


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I cannot believe people are still not figuring out that's most likely the Orlesian Warden-Commander.


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I imported my warden into Awakening. If the Orlesian W-C is in Inquisition and my HoF W-C isn't, I wouldbe disappointed.


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I kind of hope trailer Warden is the Orlesian Warden, because I've been wondering what happens to them in a world where the HoF doesn't die?

 

I've said before elsewhere that it'd be kind of cool if we were ever to run into Caron, Andras and Kader as completely seperate Wardens, confirming that all three potential OWC's exist elsewhere in the Dragon Age universe, much like all potential Wardens exist despite what Origin you picked?


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I want my mage Saul Ammel to meet his cousin, Katherine Hawke and then kick butt together!!!

I'll have to age Saul up though since I think 10 years have passed :)

 

*Sqqquuueee* I cannot wait to age up my Wardens! Especially the ones who became monarchs or held other positions of power for at least 7 years before "disappearing". It'd be great to be able give them grey streaks or totally winter wonderland their heads. And the scars look so realistic in those CC screenshots!



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I cannot believe people are still not figuring out that's most likely the Orlesian Warden-Commander.

 

No...

 

It is a spoiler in so far as we lack the actual story content of the scene to make clear sense of it. 

 

Is it possible that it is the OWC? Yes. (Which will likely be the point people stop reading).

 

Is it possible that it could be a NPC Warden that is equally important in that scene? Yes.

 

People fall into confirmation bias, as they are using their own previous biases (BioWare is predictable, leaks seem to be true, only looking at things from one angle that confirms their view). 

 

To a lesser extent belief bias is being used where people base the logical strength of an argument on how believable it seems. In this case people find it believable that it is the Orlesian Warden so therefore they believe that is the most logical assumption. 


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No...

 

It is a spoiler in so far as we lack the actual story content of the scene to make clear sense of it. 

 

Is it possible that it is the OWC? Yes. (Which will likely be the point people stop reading).

 

Is it possible that it could be a NPC Warden that is equally important in that scene? Yes.

 

People fall into confirmation bias, as they are using their own previous biases (BioWare is predictable, leaks seem to be true, only looking at things from one angle that confirms their view). 

 

To a lesser extent belief bias is being used where people base the logical strength of an argument on how believable it seems. In this case people find it believable that it is the Orlesian Warden so therefore they believe that is the most logical assumption. 

Good luck trying to stop people from speculating in a speculation thread :P


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Good luck trying to stop people from speculating in a speculation thread :P

 

I like speculation, I dislike speculation that is then shoved off as "fact" in numerous threads throughout the forum.

 

And now I should go to sleep.



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I like speculation, I dislike speculation that is then shoved off as "fact" in numerous threads throughout the forum.

 

And now I should go to sleep.

I don't care that you like, since you pose your opinion as a fact, which is both annoying and rude

Don't like people speculating because you disagree with them? Then just leave



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You missed out the small but very significant detail of being able to create your own world state in the Keep.

So your theory does not really hold water.

Personally, I would be glad if the Warden does not appear at all to allow people with mommy issues to finally move on.

That supports his theory.The world state would change what that warden would be. The world state bw is using has the warden dead so they are using the orlisian warden. If we put in ours and the warden is alive then the orlisian warden is replaced.


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While a perfectly valid assumption (as are most things I disagree with regarding this mater) I (quite naturally) have to disagree.

 

We have NO IDEA on the story state at the time of the demo, and likely never will. 

 

Feel free to speculate away, but at least try to keep the above bit in mind. 

Of course we do. every da story bw does is in the state that the dao warden is dead just to keep the story simple. They said it themselves.



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*Sqqquuueee* I cannot wait to age up my Wardens! Especially the ones who became monarchs or held other positions of power for at least 7 years before "disappearing". It'd be great to be able give them grey streaks or totally winter wonderland their heads. And the scars look so realistic in those CC screenshots!

With DA Keep it'll be so much easier! we can create all of the stories we want!! God I cannot wait!


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That could be it. The devs have been careful when answering questions about Hawke and the Warden. They have confirmed Hawke and said that's not 'The' Warden, but have never said that the Warden won't be in the game and haven't excluded the Warden when saying that if the Hawke and Warden come back we would be able to customize them.

 

The trailer just following the default world state new players will experience, meaning that the Warden is dead and thus is replaced by another Warden makes sense. We obviously can't know for sure though.


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Hawke has a defined voice. Hawke has a default personality (for all intents and purposes - it's now going to be 1D diplomatic, sarcastic, or aggressive). Iconic Hawke (AKA DA2 promo and DA2 intro Hawke) is defined in appearance. These things translate to an NPC quite well.

 

The Warden (The Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian Warden-Commander of Ferelden) has none of these.


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 everyone is asking  Why only  Hawke was in the  Trailer and not the Hero of ferelden and the answer is  Easy and obvious

 

 

the Trailers follow dragon age bioware canon and in the canon the Hero of ferelden is a  Dalish elf  that did the sacrifices  that why the Hero of ferelden is not in the new  Trailer 

 

 

and for who asking is the Warden  With Hawke  Alistair no in the  dragon age bioware canon he becomes King 

 

I said this already, back in the original thread. People were too busy pretending to be surprised by the trailer showing previous protagonist to notice what I said though.

 

Don't listen to anyone who disagrees because of the possible alternative ways of completing DA:O. The trailer obviously represents Bioware's own chosen ending of DA:O and DA2, therefore we see a female Hawke and no Hero of Ferelden.

 

I think it would have been more fun and exciting to show an undead wraith Hero of Ferelden alongside Hawke. You know, back from the dead to seek revenge on Morrigan. Or just show Ser Pouncealot.


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Of course we do. every da story bw does is in the state that the dao warden is dead just to keep the story simple. They said it themselves.

It wouldn't surprise me if the default import state is Everyone Dies just to keep things simple.



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I cannot believe people are still not figuring out that's most likely the Orlesian Warden-Commander.

 

Based on? I haven't found a single evidence that clearly points out to the Warden being the Warden-Commander.

 

Everything regarding who the character is are mere speculations.


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