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[Rawgrim]

Just because the Warden wasn't in the trailer, doesn't mean he\she isn't in the game at all.

[Chari]

The dalish elf isn't the canon Warden, Jesus. There were three different DEFAULT world states that could be imported into DA2 including a dwarf noble and human noble who both lived. Your idea is also debunked on account that we get to choose what happened with Dragon Age Keep as well as who the Grey Warden was.

I think there's three answers here:

• Mike Laidlaw is lying about The Warden not appearing. He/she will appear but not with Hawke.
• Bioware decided it might upset fans to give The Warden a voice that they perceive doesn't fit so they've decided to not include them in Inquisition at all.
• Bioware just didn't want The Warden to appear.

People need to drop the idea that the "dalish elf" is the "canon" Warden. There is no "canon" Warden but if there was, it would most likely be Malcolm Cousland as in the character used to represent the Grey Warden in all the trailers and artwork for Origins:

The devs stated in twitter that the default state is "Dalish, dead" and "Hawke mage supported mages"
So it seems these defaults are main

[St. Victorious]

I've decided that the MNW is actually the Carmine for DAI. He'll rush in and try to be all kewl only to become demon chow. Shortly thereafter the HoF/OWC will join the frey. Once the battle is complete he'll disappear without saying a word, like Batman.

Crazy new theory, will that make everyone happy?

[Setiweb]

 everyone is asking 

Over and over.

[Ailith Tycane]

 

here is the link toe the CC in DA:O you can see the first male warden is blond and kinda looks like the dude in the trailer

 

That's not what the default male faces looked like...

[Dermain]

I don't care that you like, since you pose your opinion as a fact, which is both annoying and rude

Don't like people speculating because you disagree with them? Then just leave

 

Don't we all?

 

Edit:

There are also these two tweets:

 

 

User

I feel as if you're being tricky with your words. As in that warden is the Orlesian Grey Warden but still can be our warden.

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

People are really overthinking this.

[Cratto]

I'm not sure we can read anything into Hawke's appearance over the Warden. Hawke is easier to introduce as there was a recognisable default appearance (from one race with a signature armour that was pretty similar for all classes). Hawke is also alive at the end of DA2 (whereas the Warden might not be). Hawke is easy to spot and there are no canon arguments about them appearing (and bioware don't have to explain that that npc who appeared for two secs in a trailer is). Hopefully, my Warden makes an appearance to sweep Leliana off her feet again and Hawke is still happy with Merrill!

[godModeAlpha]

Except how are Bioware supposed to indicate that someone's presence is conditional based on world state within a trailer, without showing us the same scene several times with multiple characters?

The idea that the Warden not appearing in the trailer is because in the world state of the scene we're watching from that trailer, the Warden might be dead, seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Your argument that the Warden's not in the trailer because we've got the Keep to have them alive, is like suggesting that we should ignore everything we saw in the demo footage of Redcliffe castle, because the Inquisitor in that case was female and Qunari, whereas we have the CC to create whatever race and gender Inquisitor we wish?

I suspect that if the Warden does appear, it's going to be kept as a surprise and they're not going to announce it in a trailer.

_{(Although, I'm just as apathetic to seeing them again as you are. The Warden was awesome, but let it go people! Hawke's appearance excites me, but I'm filled with just as much dread that their appearing could lead them to being killed off unceremoniously, which was a shame because I really liked that character. I'd rather the Warden and Hawke just stay as background characters and if they do appear, have very little impact on the overall plot)}

So happy to see Hawke, you think Hawke will turn up with his/her LI from DA2?

Don't play with my warden emotions Should the hero of Ferelden appear I think BioWare will be awarded the Nobel prize.

[godModeAlpha]

Just because the Warden wasn't in the trailer, doesn't mean he\she isn't in the game at all.

Agree. That's actually a possibility, was a trailer after all.

[Orctavius]

They've already said that DAI will include elements of the cancelled DAII expansion Exalted March, which would have finished Hawke's story.  It makes sense for them to include Hawke in the parts of the game inspired by the cancelled expansion.  On the other hand, the Warden's story is largely finished.  They may or may not have something for him/her to do, but the character's inclusion is less essential.

 

Also, Hawke, unlike the Warden, has an iconic design, which makes her stand out in a trailer.  Very few people would have identified the false Warden as such if he hadn't been standing next to Hawke.

[Arakat]

It makes perfect sense that the trailers use the default world state (and that indeed is the "dead Dalish Warden-mage Hawke" state, it's been confirmed by BW). I really don't understand why some people are so opposed to this theory.

 

However, my personal theory for the Grey Warden in the trailer is that he's an entirely new NPC who just tags along for some reason.

[aTigerslunch]

That was a Warden?  I have to relook then cause I thought it was Cullen at first....but considering I watched it over break at work, I didn't get a good look of him, was focused on Hawke.  They are using an elven dead warden as default...well.. wonder if it will tell where the live warden is, and if Leliana or Morrigan got to see them again or gets to see them again.

[Serza]

Yes. It's infact a Warden-Commander insignia.

 

Which brings an idea...

 

No, perish the thought.

[Scerene]

i was hoping neither one would appear! As much as i adore the people making the dragon age games, their track record in terms of making well-proportioned faces... is well... not good. I dont need them butchering my gorgeous elven warden. Besides i dont understand why people are so obsessive about it, the wardens story can be concluded without them appearing in the game. Hawke's appearance is understandable considering her/his role in the templar mage conflict and the fact that what was supposed to be an expansion for the character has been incorporated into DA:I but what is the warden supposed to be doing there? The wardens story was about ending the blight, DA:I isnt about a blight, right? The veil has been torn and demons are pouring out of the fade, and didnt they say something about the wardens being too busy dealing with darkspawn, because they are very one-sided like that, thats not to say no warden should play a role under any circumstances but more a limited one.

 

All that being said, i would be very relieved if we could customize our warden and hawke, but from my understanding, based on the FAQ, the dragon age keep will attempt to replicate your character based on choices you make in it. I dont mind it too much, but ill restart and make a world state where my warden dies, if that is the case. It would be nice if they did it like some of you mentioned where varic starts describing hawke and you customize them and then leliana maybe, starts talking about the warden and then you can customize them. But honestly, are they going to have cameos for every little thing that appeared in previous games, why cant people move on and leave a dead horse to lie. The whole concept of bringing back highly customizible characters is so loaded with controversy. For me it would completely negate everything that i had been playing and doing up to that point if  all of a sudden a warden shows up that looks absolutely nothing like mine and has a personality that is nothing like the one i played. Hawke is different for obvious reasons and much easier to incorporate and as is previously mentioned tied into the events occuring within DA:I

[Serza]

I think someone tweeted that IF previous protagonists appear, we WILL be able to customize their appearance.

 

Which means it probably will be YOUR Hawke. Warden is still not confirmed.

 

Would be funny if they gave you three CC's though.

[Chari]

i was hoping neither one would appear! As much as i adore the people making the dragon age games, their track record in terms of making well-proportioned faces... is well... not good. I dont need them butchering my gorgeous elven warden. Besides i dont understand why people are so obsessive about it, the wardens story can be concluded without them appearing in the game. Hawke's appearance is understandable considering her/his role in the templar mage conflict and the fact that what was supposed to be an expansion for the character has been incorporated into DA:I but what is the warden supposed to be doing there? The wardens story was about ending the blight, DA:I isnt about a blight, right? The veil has been torn and demons are pouring out of the fade, and didnt they say something about the wardens being too busy dealing with darkspawn, because they are very one-sided like that, thats not to say no warden should play a role under any circumstances but more a limited one.

 

All that being said, i would be very relieved if we could customize our warden and hawke, but from my understanding, based on the FAQ, the dragon age keep will attempt to replicate your character based on choices you make in it. I dont mind it too much, but ill restart and make a world state where my warden dies, if that is the case. It would be nice if they did it like some of you mentioned where varic starts describing hawke and you customize them and then leliana maybe, starts talking about the warden and then you can customize them. But honestly, are they going to have cameos for every little thing that appeared in previous games, why cant people move on and leave a dead horse to lie. The whole concept of bringing back highly customizible characters is so loaded with controversy. For me it would completely negate everything that i had been playing and doing up to that point if  all of a sudden a warden shows up that looks absolutely nothing like mine and has a personality that is nothing like the one i played. Hawke is different for obvious reasons and much easier to incorporate and as is previously mentioned tied into the events occuring within DA:I

*sign*

It's been long time ago said that if our old PCs return, we will be able to customise their appearences via twitter by Mike Laidlaw

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I'm not sure we can read anything into Hawke's appearance over the Warden. Hawke is easier to introduce as there was a recognisable default appearance (from one race with a signature armour that was pretty similar for all classes). Hawke is also alive at the end of DA2 (whereas the Warden might not be). Hawke is easy to spot and there are no canon arguments about them appearing (and bioware don't have to explain that that npc who appeared for two secs in a trailer is). Hopefully, my Warden makes an appearance to sweep Leliana off her feet again and Hawke is still happy with Merrill!

 

This.

 

Hawke appearing without the warden in one scene does not preclude the possibility the warden will appear elsewhere.

[Scerene]

define the word "customize". If you read the faq for the dragon age keep , it says the game will attempt to recognize but that you wont be able to edit your hawke or wardens appearence. If they intended for us to be able to do so in a proper character creator, whether inside or outside of the game, why didnt they mention that? It leads me to believe that the only customiziation is going to be hair color, and other general features and stuff like that within in the keep, nothing special. 

 

Is there a character creator?

 

Sadly not. The Keep will attempt to recognize your Wardens and Hawkes from previous playthroughs so they can be reflected as part of your history, but you won’t be able to edit appearances or customize new characters, as that information is not carried forward to future titles.

[Chari]

 

define the word "customize". If you read the faq for the dragon age keep , it says the game will attempt to recognize but that you wont be able to edit your hawke or wardens appearence. If they intended for us to be able to do so in a proper character creator, whether inside or outside of the game, why didnt they mention that? It leads me to believe that the only customiziation is going to be hair color, and other general features and stuff like that within in the keep, nothing special. 

 

Is there a character creator?

 

Sadly not. The Keep will attempt to recognize your Wardens and Hawkes from previous playthroughs so they can be reflected as part of your history, but you won’t be able to edit appearances or customize new characters, as that information is not carried forward to future titles.

 

I'm pretty sure by "customise" they also include the appearance

We won't do it in the Keep, though, but, likely, in the game itself

Three CCs in a row - let the "fun" begin :.D

[dutch_gamer]

define the word "customize". If you read the faq for the dragon age keep , it says the game will attempt to recognize but that you wont be able to edit your hawke or wardens appearence. If they intended for us to be able to do so in a proper character creator, whether inside or outside of the game, why didnt they mention that? It leads me to believe that the only customiziation is going to be hair color, and other general features and stuff like that within in the keep, nothing special. 
 
Is there a character creator?
 
Sadly not. The Keep will attempt to recognize your Wardens and Hawkes from previous playthroughs so they can be reflected as part of your history, but you won’t be able to edit appearances or customize new characters, as that information is not carried forward to future titles.

You are assuming that the only way to recreate Hawke or the warden would be by using the Keep, whereas the Keep has never been about appearance customization. The customization could easily happen in the game itself considering the game comes with character customization.

[Scerene]

all im saying is the way its worded suggests otherwise, if you read between the lines, that's what it implies. If the keep attempts to "recognize" to me it implies that it will ask you questions of some sort, and if you can't edit their appearance within the keep, the very same keep that is supposed to recognize their appearance, and further goes on to say that you wont be able to edit their look or create new ones because it wont be carried over to other games, then it stands to reason that proper customization isn't it the plans, because to me, it would make sense to mention an alternative, ie oh you can do that in the game. What's the point in having the keep attempting to recognize an appearance that we will supposedly be able to properly customize? Why mention the stuff about future games? Why not mention an alternative means to do it?

[Scerene]

lol im not assuming that, im trying to get you to put your thinking caps on

[Pateu]

You missed out the small but very significant detail of being able to create your own world state in the Keep.

So your theory does not really hold water.

Personally, I would be glad if the Warden does not appear at all to allow people with mommy issues to finally move on.

 

So wanting to see your favorite character of the trilogy reappear makes you someone with mommy issues. Got it.

 

That's not ignorant at all.

[MrMrPendragon]

So wanting to see your favorite character of the trilogy reappear makes you someone with mommy issues. Got it.

 

That's not ignorant at all.

 

Technically it's not really "ignorant"

 

But I would really like to see the Warden one more time. Just to close his story.

[clone wars]

We'll we know at the end of the w.h dlc gray w c may go m.i.a