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[theflyingzamboni]

Varric's is his chest hair. I lol'd

[Riverway_Inca]

I didn't realize until now that The Hanged Man is a Major Arcana card in the Tarot deck. That's a pretty big and obviously direct reference in DA2 (the inn), so Bioware has carried on the Tarot connection into DAI, which I think is really cool.

[Ancientsaga]

Oh please bioware/EA let us buy these cards at some point. The team worked so hard on them and sadly the IE sold out so fast.

[Tevinter Rose]

(Wrote this in a locked thread, thought i'd drag it over here)

I love tarot, so this is a pretty interesting topic.

I'm adding my thoughts with some thoughts by people on tumblr that did a cool breakdown:

 

Dorian- Temperance

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"Temperance indicates that you are learning to bring about balance, patience and moderation in your life. The card reflects that you have a clear, long-term vision of what you want to achieve. Temperance can also reflect a period of self-evaluation in order to re-examine your life priorities. "

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Sera- the Star

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"The meaning of the Star Tarot card suggests that you have endured life’s challenges and have been through a difficult time but you are now open to healing and transformation. Your ability to let go of damaging memories has been strengthened by contact with your true self through these difficult times. The Star Tarot card also indicates a generous spirit. You want to give or share your wealth with others to help transform their own lives. You have an open heart and you now want to give back the blessings you have already received so that others may benefit." 

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I think Vivienne could be the High Priestess, I could also see her as the Chariot card:

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"The Chariot represents conquest, victory and overcoming opposition through your confidence and control. On its most basic level, it's about getting what you want. It implies war, a struggle, and an eventual, hard-won victory over enemies, obstacles, nature, the uncertainties inside you. The Chariot is a card of contradictions. It's about sidewise battles, yet also about full-speed ahead. It's about the hard exterior and the soft interior, the light and dark, the water and the shore, moon and sun. It is the Sphinx, which is also often a symbol of Cancer, the lion and the man united, a mystery." A mystery sounds a lot like Viv, since she has a secret agenda. 

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I can see Iron Bull being the Heirophant.

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I think Cassandra is Death, her card and the death card look very similar and she's from Nevarra, a country that has a lot of interesting ideas concerning dead people:

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Death: "Death is symbolic of the ending of a major phase or aspect of your life that may bring about the beginning of something far more valuable and important. Similarly, it indicates a time of significant transformation, change and transition. The card contains elements of a sudden and unexpected change. Death is an indication that you need to learn to let go of unhealthy attachments in your life to pave the way to a fuller, more fulfilled life of deeper meaning and significance." 

[Owlfruit Potion]

I know nothing about tarot, so I apologize if this is totally dumb, but idly looking around on an airplane layover here: I think Leliana could be the Wheel of Fortune ("personal vision, witnessing a miracle, opportunity in an accident", imagery of a big central circle and flying things) and Cullen could be the Emperor (aside from the family related things, most of the descriptors on that website apply to what he was doing between DA2 and DAI, plus it looks the most similar: dour face, swooshy red fabric, rectangular object in background, downward pointing elongate object with open circle at the end), though I'd rather hear that I'm wrong and he's going to be more like Justice or Strength in DAI.

 

LATE EDIT: If I had to guess for Josie, it would be the Magician, (with the stick in hand, floating infinity symbol, and greenery at the bottom, "carrying out plans, using your talents, being totally committed") but since we know so little about her character...

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Vivienne: High Priestess

Commonly this card is associated with the card reader or the querant, because it is also focused on 'secrets' it also interpreted when a secret is kept or revealed, when you are holding on to the truth or revealing it, the card associated with mystery, when powerful feminine influences and support currently in force for the querant. It can also represent the perfect woman in a man's life, and to a woman it can represent being independently solo perhaps without a man.

 

So far all we know about Vivienne is that:

a) She has her own agenda

b ) Her blurb: "For those that value survival, sentimentality is not an option."

 

This could not be more Vivienne if you ask me. :L

 

 

 

Dorian: Emperor

The Emperor symbolizes the desire to rule over one's surroundings, and its appearance in a reading often suggests that the subject needs to accept that some things may not be controllable, and others may not benefit from being controlled.

 

Dorians hopeless seeming goal of redeeming Tevinter.

 

Yeah this one doesn't hold up as well as Viviennes. :L

 

 

 

Iron Bull: Hierophant/Pope

The Hierophant is the card representing organized religion — any organized religion. Its positive and negative aspects are those associated with that religion. “Hierophant” literally means “the one who teaches the holy things”. The card also represents individuation or the point where a child starts to understand the boundaries between Self and Other, family and the community. This is the point where the individual starts constructing his or her own identity, consciously, unconsciously, or as shaped by exterior forces.

 

Would be referring to Iron Bull and his role as part of the Ben-Hassrath. Could also foreshadow a decision to question his religion.

 

Additionally, I don't know where Persona got the inspiration to make Hierophant characters be people who make it hard to let go of their past, but if it rings true then it fits Iron Bull like a glove.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

@Ninjas :- Awesome speculative analysis. 

[Riverway_Inca]

I actually thought Dorian may be linked to the Judgement card (especially since the look of Varric's card has been aligned with Temperance) - here are some of the keywords associated with Judgement as per Wikipedia:

 

Judgement - Rebirth - Inner Calling - Absolution

Restart - Accepting past mistakes/actions - Release

Forgiveness - End of repression - Reconciliation - Renewal

Decision - Salvation - New beginning - Hope - Redemption

 

Dorian's tagline is "The Redeemer", and considering his history and how he wants Tevinter to change, I think the Judgement card fits him. The sexuality struggle ties in as well.

 

I didn't know anything about Tarot cards, but now that I do, I just love the mysticism and symbolism of it all, and I love Bioware for linking it to the Dragon Age world. It just adds another layer to the game's universe and gives it extra complexity. It's going to be so fun deciphering which card matches which character (and we shouldn't limit ourselves only to the companions!) until the game's release.

 

It would be interesting to know if the writers really did consider Tarot decks when germinating the characters. 

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

The other ones play around with the designs a bit but Solas' card is just too similar to the hermit for them to not have.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Blackwall - Chariot

Vivienne - High Priestess

Dorian - Justice

Iron Bull - Hierophant

Sera - Star

Cole - Moon

Cassandra - Death

Solas - Hermit

Varric - Fortune

Leliana - Sun

Cullen - Emperor

Josephine - Empress

Inquisitor - Fool

 

My prediction so far, based on my thoughts and other peoples theories.

Modifié par Ninjasplaycardgames2, 16 août 2014 - 10:06 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I know why everyone would assume the Inquisitor to be the Fool, but Cole's card seems to fit that perfectly.  The Inquisitor could be something more akin to Judgment or the Star.

 

That said, Leliana's card gives me the moon vibe (the colors, the raven, the orb), where Josephine could be the sun (she's at the least more radiant than Leliana).  Cullen looks very much like the Emperor.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

The Inquisitor can only be the fool because their personality is determined by us. 

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

actually Incas right I'm gonna switch Cullen and Dorian

[Mystranna Kelteel]

The Inquisitor can only be the fool because their personality is determined by us. 

But why would Cole's card look so much like the Fool?

 

The Fool can be a vagabond, which would seem to fit into Cole's situation fairly well.

 

I wouldn't think Cassandra as death really if her card didn't so clearly resemble it.  And the thing about Tarot or fortune telling in general is that it's all vague enough so that just about anything could considered one thing or another retroactively, IE once you know Cassandra is death you can easily match up things about her with what is represented by the card.

 

Personality may or may not even come into these pairings.  While we do choose our Inquisitor's personality (within the confines we are given), we do not really get to choose our Inquisitor's role in the story.  The arcana represented by her/him could be indicative of that role.

 

That is, if the Inquisitor even has a specific card or arcana at all.

 

*Actually, yeah, Cole probably is the Moon on account of the lil crayfish an' all.

[Siven80]

Dont like the look of them really.

[Mirrman70]

how about we get an Inquisition poker deck and chips?

[n7stormrunner]

I know why everyone would assume the Inquisitor to be the Fool, but Cole's card seems to fit that perfectly.  The Inquisitor could be something more akin to Judgment or the Star.

 

That said, Leliana's card gives me the moon vibe (the colors, the raven, the orb), where Josephine could be the sun (she's at the least more radiant than Leliana).  Cullen looks very much like the Emperor.

 

 

the fool is the one who goes though the journey, the rest are the people and tests s/he meet along the way. it be a little odd for anyone besides the inquisitor to be the fool. 

 

 

how about we get an Inquisition poker deck and chips?

 

 

just buy the chips paint dragons on them and set aside the major arcana, grab a beer and start playing.    

[Ranadiel Marius]

So here are some of my thoughts on the cards that we have seen based on the "traditional" tarot images on wikipedia.

Solas: People have said Hermit, but I disagree. There are two things that my eyes are drawn to immediately. One is the halo around his head and the other are the four circles surrounding him. There aren't too many cards where the depicted person has a radiating halo like that. Specifically, The Hanged Man and Temperance appear to be the only cards with that characteristic. I have seen alternate Temperance arcana (okay Persona...and that that is about it for what I am personally aware of, but I am sure that this idea predates Persona) which represents Temperance as symbols for the four elements since Temperance represents the blending of opposites. Now if you look closely at the four circles in Solas's card, you'll notice that they each have a different symbol in the center, so they each represent something different (i.e., different elements). So I'm going with Temperance for Solas.

 

Cole: He has a crawfish reaching up, so yeah Moon, not much discussion here.

 

Blackwall: So lots of people are saying Chariot, and I don't see it at all. I'm going to point out that he has a radiating halo also (which doesn't make much sense if it isn't there symbolically) so I'm going with the Hanged Man since I already gave Temperance to Solas.

 

Cassandra: Clearly evoking the traditional Death card, so skipping right along.

 

Varic: O.o No real stylistic flourishes here. Ummm maybe Bianca is supposed to represent the Star? *shrug*

 

Josephine: The card has the infinity symbol on it which is prominent one the Magician and Strength. Strength seems wrong, so she is probably Magician.

 

Leliana: Ugh this one bugs me. She's clearly supposed to have sun imagery making her obviously the sun. However the raven doesn't feel right to me for the Sun card, so I feel like this should be an inversion of the sun, but the only symbolic inversion in Tarot cards that I am aware of is the Devil's inversion the Lovers, and her card completely lacks any elements of either of those two cards. So I'm sure it is just the sun, but I don't know. It just feels off to me.

 

Cullen: I'm going with Justice since it is the only card with a person holding a sword and his card is the only one with someone holding one so far.

 

Edit: Just occurred to me Iron Bull is almost certainly is on the Devil card. Besides the fact that his horns make it ridiculously easy to put him onto the card, we know part of his (back)story/personality (not sure on the best word to use) is how he has strayed from the Qun by falling into excesses that are prohibited by the Qun. The Devil represents "being bound to indulgence." Seems like a perfect fit to me.

[Wittand25]

how about we get an Inquisition poker deck and chips?

Just use the minor Arcana, Four suits all going up from two to ace.
 OK you still have to use regular chips, but that should be a minor nuisance.

[ladyofpayne]

Who is Cullen? Knight of swords?

[azarhal]

Cullen: I'm going with Justice since it is the only card with a person holding a sword and his card is the only one with someone holding one so far.

 

The Justice card also have the character holding a balance, which isn't the case of Cullen here. The Knight of Swords or King of Swords might be better fit. Nowhere does it says that the cards are all major arcana...

[Ranadiel Marius]

Yes well, the Moon Card is also supposed to have a dog and a wolf on it, but I am still saying Cole is the Moon card for having a crayfish on it. All of the cards are missing something or another from their traditional depiction (heck I'm arguing for Temperance minus someone pouring water from one cup to another), so I don't think him missing a single element is definite proof that a character is not a specific arcana if they have other elements of that arcana. Although I do admit that if there are major characters that are represented by minor arcana, then there would be a good chance that Cullen's card could be a sword minor arcana.....however I don't think that any of the companions or advisors will be minor arcana. I just don't see any reason for it to be necessary and I foresee a lot of complaining by Cullen's fanbase if he ends up as a minor arcana while the other two advisors are major arcana.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

The Justice card also have the character holding a balance, which isn't the case of Cullen here. The Knight of Swords or King of Swords might be better fit. Nowhere does it says that the cards are all major arcana...

Yeah and Cole doesn't have the dog or the wolf but he's still the Moon. 

[azarhal]

Yeah and Cole doesn't have the dog or the wolf but he's still the Moon. 

 

Having a moon and the crawfish is enough to id Cole card has the Moon because it is the only card with a crawfish and the moon in it. Just like having Cassandra in black armor on a white horse holding a black and white flag makes hers Death.

 

Someone holding a sword is not enough to id his card has Justice, there are many more tarot cards with people holding swords.