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[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Yes, when I think family friendly movie, I think Winter Solider and Apocalypto. I get the base emotional knee-jerk but that's all it is really. But thinking about it they don't do the things people claim they do.

 

Point aside though, I can see how the fear of movie burn out might work. But marvel seems to be doing pretty alright with the formula, though honestly I can see their scheduled plans trimming down soon.

 

I don't really see disney as a product killer since they seem to take a much more hands off approach to products creatively and even when milking franchises I don't think ever truly drove them into the ground in a decade.

 

The music and TV shows of the mid-late 2000's disagree's with you, and seeing as Star Wars has always been a more swashbuckling series, I'd say it's apt.

 

Star Wars is something that works best when other, external groups and independents contribute, especially when those independents are professional writers of science fiction that add their own interpretations to the universe, rather than having everything be dictated by in-house, one-premise leading group. Disney is now doing that now though.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The music and TV shows of the mid-late 2000's disagree's with you, and seeing as Star Wars has always been a more swashbuckling series, I'd say it's apt.

 

Star Wars is something that works best when other, external groups and independents contribute, especially when those independents are professional writers of science fiction that add their own interpretations to the universe, rather than having everything be dictated by in-house, one-premise leading group. Disney is now doing that now though.

 

I don't know, sounds more like a recipie for contradicting canons and stuff. I like to source the kaleesh as a prime example of this. Apparently they were a race that had been known in the old republic and sourced jedi's to the order, and yet they don't know what the jedi are and nobody knows what they are come the galactic republic time, allowing them to be punished for a self-defense war they had with a bug race called the huk. Then the seperatist get a hold of their great general and make him grevious, only for the galaxy to forget all about them, again, come the time when thrawn comes to destroy their race and one of their race called sk'ar joins the empires forces despite being a alien. All of that comes from authors trying to step on other authors toes, be it intentionally or unintentionally, because they think their idea is so much better and requiring reconciliation in order to even exist.

 

The mad scramble doesn't work unless you don't pay attention to what's going on and just focus on the one aspect you like. Which works individually, but not for making any sort of continuity. Even within the more popular works, I'd argue the only thing people like out of it collectively is Thrawn. Everything else people either love or loath with a passion.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I don't know, sounds more like a recipie for contradicting canons and stuff. I like to source the kaleesh as a prime example of this. Apparently they were a race that had been known in the old republic and sourced jedi's to the order, and yet they don't know what the jedi are and nobody knows what they are come the galactic republic time, allowing them to be punished for a self-defense war they had with a bug race called the huk. Then the seperatist get a hold of their great general and make him grevious, only for the galaxy to forget all about them, again, come the time when thrawn comes to destroy their race and one of their race called sk'ar joins the empires forces despite being a alien. All of that comes from authors trying to step on other authors toes, be it intentionally or unintentionally, because they think their idea is so much better and requiring reconciliation in order to even exist.

 

The mad scramble doesn't work unless you don't pay attention to what's going on and just focus on the one aspect you like. Which works individually, but not for making any sort of continuity. Even within the more popular works, I'd argue the only thing people like out of it collectively is Thrawn. Everything else people either love or loath with a passion.

 

Eh, the holocron team usually managed to easily iron out discrepancies with ease, and the vast majority of the writers and idealists behind the EU were all big Star Wars fans who kept themselves up to date with the lore. In fact, several pieces were written about how the Empire changed history by claiming that many primitive species had been recently discovered and taken under the wing of the Empire (when in reality, they'd been enslaved by the Empire and had actually been a part of the Galactic society for thousands of years). It's a big galaxy, so hearing a lot of details that don't mesh isn't always surprising. I'd check to see if the Holocron team ever fixed that issue. If they did, it's a non-issue. Karen Traviss is, to me, the only writer whose works are best left forgotten. I've read and played or seen basically everything else, and aside from the shitty Marvel comics of the 80's, KT's works were the only ones that really sucked. And the Crystal Star.

[Cainhurst Crow]

They never did, last time it was updated. Kaleesh just aren't that big a deal compared to other stuff, so it's understandable. EVen if they are my personal favorite.

 

Interesting to hear of their system for trying to iron out the errors, but I still think a lot of the post movie EU needed to go for a good movie to get made. That's just personal opinion though, they could have jumped ahead a couple hundred years and have the story take place then I suppose, but I doubt a lot of movie audiences would appreciate that.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

They never did, last time it was updated. Kaleesh just aren't that big a deal compared to other stuff, so it's understandable. EVen if they are my personal favorite.

 

Interesting to hear of their system for trying to iron out the errors, but I still think a lot of the post movie EU needed to go for a good movie to get made. That's just personal opinion though, they could have jumped ahead a couple hundred years and have the story take place then I suppose, but I doubt a lot of movie audiences would appreciate that.

 

KaLeesh? Seriously? They're one of the most forgettable races in the SW universe. Whipids are the best. Or Nautolans. Humans and their offshoot races are the overall best though. Or the Gree.

 

I think they would have liked it. Or visited the undefined period after the Legacy period to look at Luke's descendants (like Cade). Star Wars has proven that provided you follow certain elements, you don't need to over rely on certain characters. It's way too big a galaxy to focus on just 3 people all the time. Hell, bring R2 and C-3PO along. They're familiar enough faces. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

What can I say, I like the look and the skull masks.

 

Ironic since my next favorite race are the chiss, and how much detail went into them.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Hapans, Mon Calamari, Corellians, Mandalorians, and Noghri. My top 5. (Yuuzhan Vong and Chiss are honorable mentions.)

Also, Zahn's version of the Clone Wars are way better than what is "canon." Clonemakers make endless armies, attacking with wave after wave of offensives, to the point where the Empire seems an acceptable, and even the mention of clones makes people, such as Mara and Kaarde, very nervous. 

(On an unrelated, how the hell is the Republic the 'good guys'? They raised a slave army, of what amount to children, and launched an hugely unnecessary, unprovoked pre-emptive strike, and refuse to allow anyone to leave their bloated, corrupt, broken system.)

 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Hapans, Mon Calamari, Corellians, Mandalorians, and Noghri. My top 5. (Yuuzhan Vong and Chiss are honorable mentions.)

Also, Zahn's version of the Clone Wars are way better than what is "canon." Clonemakers make endless armies, attacking with wave after wave of offenses, to the point where the Empire seems an acceptable, and even the mention of clones makes people, such as Mara and Kaarde, very nervous. 

(On an unrelated, how the hell is the Republic the 'good guys'? They raised a slave army, of what amount to children, and launched an hugely unnecessary, unprovoked pre-emptive strike, and refuse to allow anyone to leave their bloated, corrupt, broken system.)

 

 

Hapans, Corellians, and Mandalorians are all technically baseline humans (At least later generations that weren't descended from the Taung, and the Hapans have enough genetic differentiation from millenia of selective breeding to be their own breed). Chiss also don't count since they're an offshoot/sub-species of baseline humans. If I lived in the SW universe, I'd want a woman from Hapes (or the Core in general. Corulag, Alderaan, Talravin, Shawkin, Breental, etc.)

 

Eh, the premise of the current CW's have a much larger, more involving expanse across the entire galaxy. Maybe it's because the galaxy feels sufficiently 'big enough' that I support it, when Zahn's days of the EU were much less well-defined.

 

Also, you're looking at the actions of a Sith Lord who manipulated an already stagnant and complacent government that was essentially run by those who had the largest paychecks into bringing the galaxy into a sense of economic depression, to which he then manipulated the corporate heads of the largest companies and corporations to use their influence to spread a secession from the overbearing and corrupt arm of the Republic to create their own system. And by putting his Sith apprentice in power over that group (an apprentice who held much personal clout and wealth with the Corporations and was enough of a galactic figure to draw people to him) subtly encouraged war and enmity against the Republic. And the clones aren't technically a slave army: they've been born and bred for this, and they find fulfillment in their task. And it's not as though the Jedi or the Republic at large were aware of this army. By the time its existence was revealed, the Republic needed a military badly. The strike wasn't really unnecessary, as the Separatists were at that point openly plotting war and threatening the Republic with military action. 

[The Love Runner]

Regardless, Disney has the high ground now.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Regardless, Disney has the high ground now.

 

Which sucks.

[Khayness]

Didn't EA get the licence after they axed LucasArts? I'm not sure what to expect from them after the salvaged projects, apart from tie-in games to cash in on the upcoming movies.

 

Mainstream Star Wars doesn't want to grow up with the fans who grew up on Star Wars itself, so I don't know what else is there for us to do than replaying the Jedi Knight and KotOR series endlessly.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Hapans, Corellians, and Mandalorians are all technically baseline humans (At least later generations that weren't descended from the Taung, and the Hapans have enough genetic differentiation from millenia of selective breeding to be their own breed). Chiss also don't count since they're an offshoot/sub-species of baseline humans. If I lived in the SW universe, I'd want a woman from Hapes (or the Core in general. Corulag, Alderaan, Talravin, Shawkin, Breental, etc.)

 

Eh, the premise of the current CW's have a much larger, more involving expanse across the entire galaxy. Maybe it's because the galaxy feels sufficiently 'big enough' that I support it, when Zahn's days of the EU were much less well-defined.

 

Also, you're looking at the actions of a Sith Lord who manipulated an already stagnant and complacent government that was essentially run by those who had the largest paychecks into bringing the galaxy into a sense of economic depression, to which he then manipulated the corporate heads of the largest companies and corporations to use their influence to spread a secession from the overbearing and corrupt arm of the Republic to create their own system. And by putting his Sith apprentice in power over that group (an apprentice who held much personal clout and wealth with the Corporations and was enough of a galactic figure to draw people to him) subtly encouraged war and enmity against the Republic. And the clones aren't technically a slave army: they've been born and bred for this, and they find fulfillment in their task. And it's not as though the Jedi or the Republic at large were aware of this army. By the time its existence was revealed, the Republic needed a military badly. The strike wasn't really unnecessary, as the Separatists were at that point openly plotting war and threatening the Republic with military action. 

Corellians are the baseline humans, but that doesn't mean they're not awesome. It's more about the cultural/political/militaristic elements of them that make them unique. Besides, all the greatest are Corellian, the Solo clan, Mirax, Wedge, Iblis, Corran, Booster, etc. 

Zahn's idea for the Clone Wars, which would actually give them reason to be called the Clone Wars, doesn't mean it couldn't be galaxy spanning. (Zahn started the EU, more or less. Hell, his version of hyperdrive rating is better than what is now canon. 0-1, with 0 being no speed and 1 being infinite speed. 0.5 past light speed is very impressive with this system.)

They were a slave army. Despite being indoctrinated and genetically modified to be absolutely loyal, they are still more than capable of independent thought and outgrowing the indoctrination, if allowed. And seeing as they're ten years old, it's a slave child army. And to paraphrase that god awful movie, their strike was intended to force the Republic to the bargaining table. It's not like they should have to stay within the Republic, and even Core worlds, such as the Corellian system, declared their independence from it. The Republic could've just said, "Okay, you all want to leave our system, go ahead. Let's not get into a galactic war over it." Disregarding the leadership of both sides, which is worse on the Republic side, I'd say the CIS was the good guy. 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Didn't EA get the licence after they axed LucasArts? I'm not sure what to expect from them after the salvaged projects, apart from tie-in games to cash in on the upcoming movies.

 

Mainstream Star Wars doesn't want to grow up with the fans who grew up on Star Wars itself, so I don't know what else is there for us to do than replaying the Jedi Knight and KotOR series endlessly.

There's also Rogue Squadron, Empire at War (which soon enough, there will be some awesome mods coming out for), and Battlefront. 

Though 1313 looked like it was going to be great. What a shame. 

[Vroom Vroom]

Regardless, Disney has the high ground now.

 

The high ground isn't always best:

[Vroom Vroom]

Didn't EA get the licence after they axed LucasArts? I'm not sure what to expect from them after the salvaged projects, apart from tie-in games to cash in on the upcoming movies.

 

Mainstream Star Wars doesn't want to grow up with the fans who grew up on Star Wars itself, so I don't know what else is there for us to do than replaying the Jedi Knight and KotOR series endlessly.

EA has the right to make Star Wars games for 10 years, then their exclusivity deal with Disney runs out and will have to be renewed or someone else will be making them. The announcement of the licensing agreement was made on May 6, 2013, so they have about 9 years left. 

 

Also, Bioware is currently making a Star Wars game, hopefully it is an ambitious successor to the Kotor series and not an MMO like the crapfest that was The Old Republic. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

EA has the right to make Star Wars games for 10 years, then their exclusivity deal with Disney runs out and will have to be renewed or someone else will be making them. The announcement of the licensing agreement was made on May 6, 2013, so they have about 9 years left. 

 

Also, Bioware is currently making a Star Wars game, hopefully it is an ambitious successor to the Kotor series and not an MMO like the crapfest that was The Old Republic. 

 

Considering that Disney declared all of the Star Wars universe sans the movies, the Clone Wars tv show, and anything that George had a hand in personally, it's likely not going to be another KotOR game as KotOR is now considered non-canon.

 

From what rumblings I've heard from a friend who works at EA and as a contributor for GameSpot, Disney has commissioned EA (he never told me that BW was attached to it) to make a new MMO based on Disney's universe. He also said that Disney apparently wants EA to end support for TOR, though EA is resistant considering it's their own game that they spent $200 million to make. Take that with the smallest of salt grains, but it seems to me that Disney is trying to do a rewrite of history where everything not done by them is gone and swept under the rug.

[Vroom Vroom]

Considering that Disney declared all of the Star Wars universe sans the movies, the Clone Wars tv show, and anything that George had a hand in personally, it's likely not going to be another KotOR game as KotOR is now considered non-canon.

 

From what rumblings I've heard from a friend who works at EA and as a contributor for GameSpot, Disney has commissioned EA (he never told me that BW was attached to it) to make a new MMO based on Disney's universe. He also said that Disney apparently wants EA to end support for TOR, though EA is resistant considering it's their own game that they spent $200 million to make. Take that with the smallest of salt grains, but it seems to me that Disney is trying to do a rewrite of history where everything not done by them is gone and swept under the rug.

I suck at explaining things  I didn't mean another Kotor, I meant a game styled like Kotor, but more ambitious. There was this post that I saw a few months back, I think that it was either on reddit or 4chan, someone was claiming that the game Bioware was making was in fact SWTOR 2 and they had a whole list of things about the supposed plot, they claimed to have insider knowledge, I can't remember if they claimed it was from an Investor's call or not. What your friend heard seems like it might go with what I read, but I am skeptical about what I read a few months back.

 

Actually, I just found the post, it was on reddit, here it is: http://www.reddit.co...uture_of_swtor/

 

Edit: Link has spoilers from SWTOR. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I suck at explaining things  I didn't mean another Kotor, I meant a game styled like Kotor, but more ambitious. There was this post that I saw a few months back, I think that it was either on reddit or 4chan, someone was claiming that the game Bioware was making was in fact SWTOR 2 and they had a whole list of things about the supposed plot, they claimed to have insider knowledge, I can't remember if they claimed it was from an Investor's call or not. What your friend heard seems like it might go with what I read, but I am skeptical about what I read a few months back.

 

Actually, I just found the post, it was on reddit, here it is: http://www.reddit.co...uture_of_swtor/

 

Edit: Link has spoilers from SWTOR. 

 

Honestly, I don't think it's legit. The Disney team seems to be absolutely focused on the current era, because to them, that's the only story that matters. They were pretty clear in saying that if it wasn't something George himself cooked up, it wasn't to be considered canon or part of their story. They nuked the entire EU. Not just the post-ROTJ stuff, every single thing that wasn't a film or the Clone Wars.

 

My friend said that Disney is supposedly trying to get rid of TOR, though it's hard to do so since EA is the one running it, and it was made and released before the deal with Disney by Lucasfilm, so it's under a different legal agreement. The most Disney can really do right now is cut EA's contract.

[Vroom Vroom]

Honestly, I don't think it's legit. The Disney team seems to be absolutely focused on the current era, because to them, that's the only story that matters. They were pretty clear in saying that if it wasn't something George himself cooked up, it wasn't to be considered canon or part of their story. They nuked the entire EU. Not just the post-ROTJ stuff, every single thing that wasn't a film or the Clone Wars.

 

My friend said that Disney is supposedly trying to get rid of TOR, though it's hard to do so since EA is the one running it, and it was made and released before the deal with Disney by Lucasfilm, so it's under a different legal agreement. The most Disney can really do right now is cut EA's contract.

That is a good assessment, I didn't even think about the fact that they were focused on the current/Empire era. 

 

I can't find it, but I think it was stated before SWTOR came out that it was licensed for 5 years, if that is true than the license expires on December 20, 2016. 

[ZeroPhoenix94]

Visceral games is currently making a Star Wars game right now, they made Dante's Inferno and the Dead Space series all of which are rated M. While that doesn't necessarily mean the game will be rated M, M games are all that I know Visceral does and the fact that they chose Visceral to do it speaks for that as well. I am expecting a game with lightsaber dismemberment and praying it isn't a Death Troopers based game.

Source: http://www.ign.com/g...ject/tba-167430

Source 2: http://starwars.wiki...l_Games_project

I take it you're not a fan of Death Troopers?

[Vroom Vroom]

I take it you're not a fan of Death Troopers?

 

I've never read Death Troopers or its pre-equal Red Harvest, they could have been great and therefore I have nothing against the author, just the concept. I just find zombies to be something that is overdone and something that shouldn't have crossed paths with Star Wars. I mean, the Force and Star Wars in general had a lot of mystical elements, but zombies crosses my line of belief/acceptability when it comes to telling the story that is Star Wars. 

Modifié par Vroom Vroom, 17 août 2014 - 04:17 .

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I've never read Death Troopers or its pre-equal Red Harvest, they could have been great and therefore I have nothing against the author, just the concept. I just find zombies to be something that is overdone and something that shouldn't have crossed paths with Star Wars. I mean, the Force and Star Wars in general had a lot of mystical elements, but zombies crosses my line of belief/acceptability when it comes to telling the story that is Star Wars. 

 

Eh, I tend to think of the zombies in SW as mindless, insane whacko's that have lost their mind, Dark Side powered corpses reanimated by Sith sorcery, or rhakgouls.

[Killdren88]

I'm willing to have some hope. Because yeah you have a nice chunk of money coming in from kids, But Disney would be totally stupid to ignore the older fans of Star Wars who read the all the older books and played all the older games. To simply just up and ignore us would be like tossing millions if not billions into a pit of lava.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Wouldn't the NJO make a good TV series for HBO?

Main character deaths, bioweapons, torture, planetary annihilation, and openly declared intent of genocide?

Sounds like a good fit to me. 

[Aimi]

Wouldn't the NJO make a good TV series for HBO?

Main character deaths, bioweapons, torture, planetary annihilation, and openly declared intent of genocide?

Sounds like a good fit to me.

The way my mind works:

"Wow, Star By Star would be like the Red Wedding and Ned's execution all rolled into one long nightmare, coooool."

"Oooh, I wanna see the fall of Coruscant now!"

"...OMG FORGET THAT I NEED TRAITOR"

"Wait, what about Stover's other books?"

"CAINE"

"I NEED CAINE TV SHOWS"

Look what you've done. You monster.