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[BroBear Berbil]

I'm hoping we get more dark themes and better acting in Star Wars in general. I watched the Clone Wars series over the last couple of months and ended up really loving it; it rekindled my interest in the franchise and made Revenge of the Sith a little more tolerable. I thought seasons 5 and 6 were at a pretty awesome spot between what's suitable for kids and what adults can appreciate. I hope Rebels follows the same kind of path, but so far I'm hating what I saw from the 8min preview.

[Greenface21]

If one can dismiss the EU because some parts, the more obscure and lesser known parts, are shitty, then can I dismiss the PT because the whole thing is?

 

You sure can.... everyone else wants to. Personally I'd have preferred Anakin's background story to be more like Revan's in KOTOR1. 

 

As for the topic. I'll just echo what's already been said by previous posters.  Starwars isn't really about being dark and gritty.  It's a franchise known for being a the epic space adventure. The movies at least, will probably continue along those lines under Disney.  

 

Future novels, comics & games could have the freedom to explore darker themes since they don't provide Disney with the same amount of money and public exposure the movies do. Just so long as they don't mess with movie canon I can see Disney letting Lucasfilm do whatever they want. Disney doesn't seem to give a damn what Marvel is doing with their comics. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Disagree.

 

IMO, you aren't a Star Wars fan if you don't have at least a broad understanding of the the EU. 

 

I don't waste my time on comic books at all. Instead I read History, Philosophy, Political Science and to a lesser extent sci-fi novels.

[addiction21]

"I dismiss it because huge swaths of the EU are ****." Sounds like you kinda did. Of course you don't hear about the comics. People tend to associate Star Wars with the movies, for some reason. And they dismiss the EU because of that. Doesn't mean they're bad. 

Many after the prequels? What does that matter?

Do you really think the powers that be would allow another the novels to have something like the Vong again? Doubtful

 

First I thik we are fans but just have different points of views.

 

Many go to the movies because that is what built the franchise. That was a major cultural thing. I happily lend out my copies of "heir to the Empire" books.

 

After the prequels what I mean is stuff like Knights of the old republic and other things outside the movies or the books that were being published.

 

And in all honesty no don't want the Vong with their "we show up out of no where and no one can oppose us" trite arc showing up.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

And in all honesty no don't want the Vong with their "we show up out of no where and no one can oppose us" trite arc showing up.

 

Given that I've given up on Disney's Star Wars, I don't much care what they come up with.

 

But I think the Vong were an interesting addition to the SW universe. It wasn't that they came out of nowhere and no one could oppose them. One of the few redeeming factors about Palpatine was that he knew they were coming and part of his massive expansion of the Imperial Navy was to fight them. Nom Anor, the infamous emissary and manipulater of the Vong (he's like the SW analogue of Petyr Baelish from aSoIaF) himself mentioned that had the New Order still been in power, they would have easily repelled the Vong. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I do not dismiss the EU. It is there but IMHO the majority of it is bad. 20+ years since any of them hit a bestseller. Other then in Star Wars fandom do you hear about the comics?

 

The biggest legacy I see (outside the movies) are the great games that have been made... many after the prequels.

 

But again I see no reason why Disney being the parent group (if you drink soda you are likely drinking a Disney product. That is how persuasive they are) that side projects wont handle mature issues,

 

Legacy of the Jedi, Fate of the Jedi, The Dark Nest Trilogy, The New Jedi Order, several of the Prequel era novels, several more stand-alone Post-Jedi novels... I suppose all of those New York Times Bestseller novels (written in the last 15 years) didn't exist? 

 

That's alright. And it's also subjective that you see it that way. I see the EU as a whole being the big legacy of the films.

 

Oh, I don't disagree that they won't take on mature themes. What I do think is that they'll take on different themes than what has been presented and come to rather different conclusions than what I'd like. For starters, you're not going to see any kind of same-sex relationships. You're not going to see anything controversial or questioning of morality or the nature of the Force. You're not going to see any in-depth look at the Jedi's philosphy versus the philosophy's of other Force using groups. You're probably going to get the same black-and-white morality system behind the Force, and have the Jedi's interpretation be the only valid interpretation of the Force. You won't see things get more murky, ambitious, ambiguous, or outright alien.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I don't waste my time on comic books at all. Instead I read History, Philosophy, Political Science and to a lesser extent sci-fi novels.

 

As a political science graduate with a Master's, I'll tell you that I learned infinitely more from comic-books practical purposes behind each of those subjects than I ever did from the same drab text-books that only ever taught the theoretical definitions and generic facts. Seeing things first hand and then gaining a wanting of knowledge that is cemented by ideologies presented idealistically and entertainingly is much better. I'd encourage you to reconsider.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Vong were great because they introduced a whole new element, and technology, to the series. 

They were vicious. They were violent. And they were competent. And they weren't Sith. Which was nice. 
 

[Aimi]

But I think the Vong were an interesting addition to the SW universe. It wasn't that they came out of nowhere and no one could oppose them. One of the few redeeming factors about Palpatine was that he knew they were coming and part of his massive expansion of the Imperial Navy was to fight them. Nom Anor, the infamous emissary and manipulater of the Vong (he's like the SW analogue of Petyr Baelish from aSoIaF) himself mentioned that had the New Order still been in power, they would have easily repelled the Vong.

Vana Dorja makes the same point in Destiny's Way, and Han Solo responds that the Empire would've found some way to screw it up, because after all, the Empire lost to the Rebellion. The Empire's fetish for bizarre and arguably useless superweapons - "like the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine" - would've wasted enormous amounts of resources on something pointless that wouldn't work.

From the other end of the spectrum of in-universe opinions, there's a wonderful analysis "quoted" in Jason Fry's Essential Guide to Warfare that largely blames poor Republic higher military decision-making for the defeats at Vong hands. Compared to the resources of the entire galaxy, the Vong should've been a cakewalk; when they faced Republic commanders unfettered by the idiocy of leaders like Sien Sovv and Turk Brand, as at Borleias, the Vong took it on the chin. Leaders like Ackbar, Firmus Nantz, and Etahn A'baht, who had directed the great campaigns of the Galactic Civil War, were dying or put out to pasture. Others, like Antilles and bel Iblis, were under Sovv's orders. The author claimed that it was Sovv's inability to see past the quest for a decisive fleet battle - an oxymoron, because none of the fleet battles of the Vong war were decisive, nor could they have been - that doomed trillions to slavery and death. The unnamed author's points are sometimes tendentious, but they ring true both in a historical sense (because that is a grand-strategic dilemma that has plagued many militaries) and an in-universe sense.

Maybe the new Disney post-"Legends" canon will have in-depth analysis like that. I'm not holding my breath.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Eirene, I'll post the famous "Nostril of Palpatine" speech. 
 

 

"What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandoise. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."