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[oceanicsurvivor]

But if a particular LI had both a cinematic for marriage and for sex, would that particular LI have a "bonus" that no other one gets?  And if the player has the option to choose what kind of marriage ceremony they get, that's even more potential cinematics to select from.  Suddenly we have several branching options that all lead to extra cinematics for just one character.

 

Oh gosh, choosing the wedding ceremony seems a bit much. I figure its either grand like the Alistair wedding mod, or its quick and sparse, like you pledging yourself together during a quiet moment together in the trenches. And I figure that would come down to the tone and the placement in the story, not personal choice.

 

I wouldn't view a marriage scene as a bonus either, even if the relationship also got a sex scene. Other relationships get scenes that the married couple would not get. If you feel the marriage scene is a bonus you are missing out on, then you would certainly be free and welcome to try out that relationship in a subsequent playthrough.
 

[Puppy Love]

Slightly off topic, but speaking of sex scenes.  I kind of prefer, as silly and campy as it is, the DA:O way of being able to kiss or have sex/make love again after the original scene, even if fade to black.  It feels weird not being able to be affectionate with my lover in game...  just...  it feels so cold not having some way for the characters to reciprocate more than just predetermined scenes.

 

I'd go crazy in a relationship in real life without the I love you's, hugs, kisses, ect that helps maintain that you're in a relationship.  Once I hit the point where there's no affection of any sort in real life from both sides I know things are falling apart.  I've been in a loveless marriage, it's not a good place to be.

[Lady Nuggins]

Oh gosh, choosing the wedding ceremony seems a bit much. I figure its either grand like the Alistair wedding mod, or its quick and sparse, like you pledging yourself together during a quiet moment together in the trenches. And I figure that would come down to the tone and the placement in the story, not personal choice.

 

I wouldn't view a marriage scene as a bonus either, even if the relationship also got a sex scene. Other relationships get scenes that the married couple would not get. If you feel the marriage scene is a bonus you are missing out on, then you would certainly be free and welcome to try out that relationship in a subsequent playthrough.
 

 

Something that comes down to tone and placement in the story is something I can get behind.

 

I only mean "bonus" in that it would come in addition to the scenes that all LIs get.  Say every LI gets 3 cinematic scenes (we really don't know how many there will be in DAI), the marriage scene would have to be one of those 3 for that particular LI, or it would not be fair.  So that's why I ask, what would you sacrifice to get the marriage scene instead, if not the sex scene?

[Puppy Love]

Sacrificing a sex scene makes no sense.  I can see having a different sex scene, "honey moon" but not no sex scene.

[Lady Nuggins]

Sacrificing a sex scene makes no sense.  I can see having a different sex scene, "honey moon" but not no sex scene.

 

Then what would you sacrifice?  That is what I'm asking.  With limited resources, in the interest of fairness, every LI gets the same number of scenes together.  Marriage has to take the place of something.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Something that comes down to tone and placement in the story is something I can get behind.

 

I only mean "bonus" in that it would come in addition to the scenes that all LIs get.  Say every LI gets 3 cinematic scenes (we really don't know how many there will be in DAI), the marriage scene would have to be one of those 3 for that particular LI, or it would not be fair.  So that's why I ask, what would you sacrifice to get the marriage scene instead, if not the sex scene?

 

Hm, well, unless the married couple also contains the romance interest that is asexual, then I would think the sex scene post marriage could be inferred. And it isn't needed if it was an asexual relationship. So, I think either way a wedding could safely take its place and exclude a sex scene? I'm very curious to see how Bioware does this time around, allowing the relationships to culimate in moments other then sex scenes. And hmm... 3 cinematics per relationship. I know that was just a random number and all but I really can't think of that many in DA2...you have the actual sex scene plus the separate love confession. Those are the two big cinematics yeah?

[Puppy Love]

considering there are usually multiple random scenes, not just the sex scene, I'd think it'd just be a different romance.  I don't see the need to get rid of anything.  Would just be different.

[Puppy Love]

I still want a let's kiss/make love campy dialogue option, fade to blacks after a kiss are acceptable.  The inferred affections doesn't work because it feels like no affection.  I want the companion dialogue changing to reference the relationship.  Affectionate in character quips, "my love", from characters like Alistair, ect.

 

Without these things it feels like marriage or no marriage the relationship just kinda randomly stops or has weird awkward lulls with boosts of existence.

[Killdren88]

This is why people see these games as nothing but western waifu sims.

Bioware had no idea they would attract these sort of people. I wonder if they regret it.

[Enigmatick]

Bioware had no idea they would attract these sort of people. I wonder if they regret it.

It makes bank, just look at the latest Fire Emblem.

[Dabrikishaw]

Bioware had no idea they would attract these sort of people. I wonder if they regret it.

I doubt they pay too much attention to them either way.

[Killdren88]

It makes bank, just look at the latest Fire Emblem.

Oh indeed. What I've learned is that if you can write, you can make a killing off hopeless romantics. And it doesn't even have to be good writing. Just look at Twilight.

[dreamgazer]

Bioware had no idea they would attract these sort of people. I wonder if they regret it.

 

Considering their satisfaction in announcing that DA:I has the most romances out of any BioWare game to-date, I doubt it.

[Lady Nuggins]

Bioware had no idea they would attract these sort of people. I wonder if they regret it.

 

I love how people who claim to hate romance hang around in romance threads just to talk about how much they hate romance and how everybody won't stop talking about the romance. 

[Steelcan]

Bioware had no idea they would attract these sort of people. I wonder if they regret it.

they seem to be embracing their reputation

[Lyrandori]

If it fits with the game world itself and/or the characters then at least having them (the characters) verbally mention it at some point in the game would be appreciated. But I wouldn't expect nor even demand an actual marriage scene, seriously, I can leave such a scene for my imagination. It might even be preferable, because you know... you ALL know that if BioWare dared actually creating a marriage scene that the scene in question would mostly likely "not fit your canon character", because if there would have been a marriage scene between your romanced characters that their "canon" marriage wouldn't have been "done like that", nor that it would "fit the canon romance", perish the thought!

 

I absolutely adore character relationships in BioWare games, but I like to consider them a part of their games, might just consider them "extras". I wouldn't exactly want to see BioWare starting to lose their focus too much on marriage for the sake of including marriage "just because". Their games aren't real life relationships simulators, they're video games... I also want actual game-play. It is true, however, that since character relationships in their games are usually well crafted and have enough depth that NOT mentioning marriage at all (or barely so) is sort of an irony in my book. As long as it fits with the character, then sure, why not mentioning it? That shouldn't be too hard, or costly. You just need the writer to write one or two cutey-romantic-"awwwwwwww" lines and have the voice actors speak them out... end of story and more people happy (hopefully).

[Killdren88]

I love how people who claim to hate romance hang around in romance threads just to talk about how much they hate romance and how everybody won't stop talking about the romance.

Now that's putting words in my mouth. I never claimed to hate romance. The closest I have said to that is I get annoyed with the obsessive hopeless romantics. But I never said I hate romance.

[dreamgazer]

I don't have a problem with the inclusion of romances, so long as it stays unobtrusive and relatively straightforward in how it weaves together with the story. They add spice and personal investment to the narrative. When you start getting into things like marriage, however ... there are a lot of variables to consider (as I stated earlier), and it's really not worth the developer's concentration to take all those things into consideration.  There's a barrier separating developed romance and holy (or not-so-holy, or not holy at all) matrimony which I sincerely hope BioWare doesn't cross.  

[Gileadan]

Bioware had no idea they would attract these sort of people. I wonder if they regret it.

Somewhere in California, Obsidian devs are patting their own shoulders for not having romances in Pillars of Eternity.

[Chernaya]

I have no problem with this idea, even though it's not something important to me personally. If they could find a way to integrate it into a future game without resource issues or anything, it would be a nice thing for the people who genuinely would want it. Not gonna lie, even though I'm kinda neutral about it, a short scene showing the wedding with Alistair in Origins would have been sweet.  

[Lady Mortho]

Hera.

[ShinsFortress]

Just so I'm clear, do you think that thus far BioWare has been unfair/discriminatory towards people that value marriage, and that we should consider this position because marriage is widely valued?  In essence, making sure the content of our game is fair representation towards those with this particular value?

 

That does seem to be the case.  So many opinions/views/orientations are amply catered for, why not marriage minded people?

[Oldkoboldqueen]

I don't think this has already been said explicitly, but I apologize if someone else brought it up and I missed it.

 

I managed to squeeze this suggestion into the romance thread 30 seconds before it was closed, but I don't know if anyone actually saw it so I'm mentioning it here again because I feel it's relevant.

 

Regardless of whether a significant percentage of players specifically want a marriage option, I think it's important and valuable to immersion and creating a believable and relatable fantasy world to include a variety of different relationship viewpoints and types in addition to different sexualities, both for the player and for the LIs. Meaning that I'd like to see not only the ability to turn down sex while remaining in the relationship, or to get married, but characters that persistently refuse a committed relationship, characters that have romantic or sexual connections with multiple people, open relationships, committed polyamorous relationships.

 

I realize that the more of these that you try to add exclusively to a limited cast, the more people wind up being alienated, but it's possible to at least acknowledge these options in dialogue and implement some cross-section of them. (For example, their could be characters that are open to marriage, but won't pursue it unless your Inquisitior brings it up, versus characters who WILL propose to you at some point and may or may not be okay not eventually getting married, versus characters who are just not interested in marriage at all who may or may not have investment in some other form of relationship.)

In short, it would be nice if our relationship status was something we discussed and decided and had options for, rather than simply assumed; whether the assumption is a non-married, sexually-active relationship as seen in DA and ME or the assumption that all relationships end in marriage a la TOR.

[Nefla]

You know, I would be satisfied with just an engagement (even if it's towards the end) and a few mentions of that. Something I liked about marrying Sebastian in DA2 was his dialogue with Carver in the Legacy DLC where Sebastian calls Carver brother (because they are brothers in law) and Carver is all >: ( 

[Ynqve]

I have no problem with this idea, even though it's not something important to me personally. If they could find a way to integrate it into a future game without resource issues or anything, it would be a nice thing for the people who genuinely would want it. Not gonna lie, even though I'm kinda neutral about it, a short scene showing the wedding with Alistair in Origins would have been sweet.  

 

This! More options for everyone, why not? Though, for me it comes down to the time span of the romance, I'm not sure I would want my character to marry someone after their third date