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[ME_Fan]

Sorry but... it's a video game, it shouldn't need to be a fair representation of real life. Let's not get into the gamer entitlement discussion though.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

It's blunt, but true. I'm sorry if I offended you. It wasn't my intention.

 

A bit too blunt. Anyhow it's okay. It's just you're over estimating how much mechanics will marriage involve when in fact all we ask for is a dialogue that leads to a small marriage with some extra dialogue that's appropriate for a married couple, a cool marriage scene or cool new interactions regarding the marriage would be an icing on the cake. 

[Pevesh]

Marriages aren't necessary for me and they wouldn't have made sense in the relationships we've had in game so far other than the ones we've had already. In the case of Origins, it wasn't long enough where I'd be comfortable having my character marry a companion and it would have been strange in the middle of a blight. It could have worked in DA2 since it spanned a period of years, but it didn't really work with any of the companions that were available. They are all either not into commitment, an apostate mage, or an elf. I wouldn't want Bioware to write the plot around being able to fit more marriages in. I've never had problems just headcanoning a marriage in after the epilogue, so I don't see it adding much to have it take place in the game itself. However, when it makes sense for a particular character and fits in the plot as a whole, I'm not opposed to it. The major problem is really going to be that same sex marriages don't seem to be endorsed in Chantry nations, unless Bioware wants to change that.

 

Lore and writing aren't the same thing... TES has a history of poorly developed side quests, plots, and dialogues.  The companions and NPCs in Skyrim are far too shallow to justify marriage... you can't make a fair comparison between that series and a story-based, character focused series like Dragon Age.

Morrowind had some great characters. Writing quality as a whole, including lore, in the series went down drastically after Morrowind. That's all I'm going to say about that, though, before it gets way too off topic.

Modifié par Pevesh, 17 août 2014 - 12:46 .

[Rel Fexive]

A scene that could be used for something intrinsic to the main plot as opposed to... "let's get married at the Chantry." Hell I'll take bug stomping over that. The romance arc/dialogue accomplishes all of this without cutting into resources.

 

Like all the sex scenes, you mean?  Such as the ones they put special effort into to ensure Iron Bull could romance all possible Inquisitors?  Such a waste.

[TheUnknownDude14]

Let's not start butting heads all too quickly. It's too late to change anything about Inquisition, marriage is either in it or it isn't.

It's an suggestion that I believe is worth considering for future titles though.

[Pevesh]

See also:

• playing a female character


• same-sex relationships


• lesbian characters


• gay characters


• bisexual characters


• pan characters

Because wanting them never got us anywhere, did it?

Wanting marriage in a game is not at all the same as inclusiveness of groups that are actively oppressed in the real world. People who want to get married in the real world are not a minority and are not oppressed so they do not need representation. If Bioware wants to include marriage (which it has to a certain extent) for other reasons, then that's fine, but representation is not a legitimate reason.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I agree.

 

I'm sure the animators will particularly appreciate that comment.

[Steelcan]

Political marriages sure

[rubynorman]

Well, in ME it's a freaking galactic war, the timeline of the trilogy was ~ 2.5 years and Shepard was in jail or unconscious most of the time.

Maybe it should have happened in DA2 as the story was told from Act 1 to Act 3- from years to years. In DAO, if it could have happened after the Archdemon is killed, that would have made sense. I don't know about DA:I time line yet. Does the story focus on a short time like DAO or from years to years like DA:2 ?

 

Anyway, I'm ok with marriage in game as long as it's optional and it fits the plot/timeline.

 

Even if there is no official marriage, I'd love some romantic lines that mention it. Ex: Liara: "So, tell me what you want. If this all ends tomorrow, what happens to us?" Shepard: "I don't know. Marriage, old age, and a lot of little blue children?"

[CrimsonN7]

Nah I don't desire this option, just like I don't desire it at all in RL. The system we have now is more than fine for me. If we bring marriages into this game I damn well better have a pre-nup option as a back-up.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Wanting marriage in a game is not at all the same as inclusiveness of groups that are actively oppressed in the real world. People who want to get married in the real world are not a minority and are not oppressed so they do not need representation. If Bioware wants to include marriage (which it has to a certain extent) for other reasons, then that's fine, but representation is not a legitimate reason.

 

So you're saying the reason same sex romances got included is because they're oppressed in real life? And how since marriage is in the majority it shouldn't get represented in the game? I'm sorry but most of what you said is just.. wrong.

[Rel Fexive]

I agree.

 

That it's a waste?  Without knowing if doing that extra work even impinged on working on any other aspect of the game?  From the sound of it extra time was put in above and beyond the regular work that was being done. Sure, you could argue that they could do that for everything but then the game would never be finished.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to it if it's part of a character specific arc like Sebastian. But what if someone wants to marry a Dwarf or a Dalish?? Different cultures, customs, religions, ect. that have to be accounted for. And I'm in the camp that believes in "do it right or not at all". Doing it right would cut into a lot of other things.

 

Oh, done well over slapdash any day, obviously.

 

Wanting marriage in a game is not at all the same as inclusiveness of groups that are actively oppressed in the real world. People who want to get married in the real world are not a minority and are not oppressed so they do not need representation. If Bioware wants to include marriage (which it has to a certain extent) for other reasons, then that's fine, but representation is not a legitimate reason.

 

It was never my intention to suggest that sort of comparison, only that things that some consider "irrelevant" but others think are important made their way into games eventually.

[Rel Fexive]

Even if there is no official marriage, I'd love some romantic lines that mention it. Ex: Liara: "So, tell me what you want. If this all ends tomorrow, what happens to us?" Shepard: "I don't know. Marriage, old age, and a lot of little blue children?"

 

I loved that little moment.

 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Political marriages sure

I just won't call it a good day until I've betrothed my niece to the idiot nephew of the Emperor of Orlais.

Imma need those claims later!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let's not start butting heads all too quickly. It's too late to change anything about Inquisition, marriage is either in it or it isn't.

It's an suggestion that I believe is worth considering for future titles though.

Mark Darrah confirmed it is not in Inquisition. 

[Steelcan]

I just won't call it a good day until I've betrothed my niece to the idiot nephew of the Emperor of Orlais.

Imma need those claims later!

. "Ok second cousin twice removed on my mother's side, it is time to step up to the plate and do your duty for the Inquisition and Thedas"

"You must marry the new Viscount of Kirkwall, and move in with him, Maker watch over you"

[Pevesh]

So you're saying the reason same sex romances got included is because they're oppressed in real life? And how since marriage is in the majority it shouldn't get represented in the game? I'm sorry but most of what you said is just.. wrong.

No, I'm not. I'm saying including same sex characters or playable female characters is more important to including marriages because representation is important to groups who are oppressed. While I'm not personally particularly interested in marriages in the game (and that's not even saying I would never make use of the option if it were available with I character I liked), I'm not actually opposed to them as long as they make sense in the plot and with the character. Hell, I'd rather have an additional romance scene replace the sex scenes, because I'm not interested in them, but it doesn't make me upset that Bioware decides to include them anyways.

 

Here's what I actually said.:

Wanting marriage in a game is not at all the same as inclusiveness of groups that are actively oppressed in the real world. People who want to get married in the real world are not a minority and are not oppressed so they do not need representation. If Bioware wants to include marriage (which it has to a certain extent) for other reasons, then that's fine, but representation is not a legitimate reason.

[Pevesh]

I wouldn't exactly use the term oppressed, at least when we're talking about the West. I think people who throw that word around don't really know it's meaning. It's like not eating for 8 hours and saying that you're starving.

It's the best term I could think of at the time.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

. "Ok second cousin twice removed on my mother's side, it is time to step up to the plate and do your duty for the Inquisition and Thedas"

"You must marry the new Viscount of Kirkwall, and move in with him, Maker watch over you"

 

That's too cruel even for me! I'd just matrilineally marry a niece to some idiot Orlesian noble and then steal his lands out from under him in a generation.

[Steelcan]

That's too cruel even for me! I'd just matrilineally marry a niece to some idiot Orlesian noble and then steal his lands out from under him in a generation.

"Hello Gaspard, I see you aren't married..."

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

"Hello Gaspard, I see you aren't married..."

 

Never! Gaspard is my broseph. I'll just steal all the other lands in Orlais over the course of a century or so, then when his revitalized dynasty stumbles I'll be there to pick up the pieces.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Wanting marriage in a game is not at all the same as inclusiveness of groups that are actively oppressed in the real world. People who want to get married in the real world are not a minority and are not oppressed so they do not need representation. If Bioware wants to include marriage (which it has to a certain extent) for other reasons, then that's fine, but representation is not a legitimate reason.

Thank you. This. I am totally fine with the request for a character who expresses a desire to wait until marriage. I am fine with a romance arc, which fits the character, potentially involving or culminating in marriage. However the usage of the term representation in this sense is inaccurate and personally making me rather uncomfortable. Marriage is a choice, so is waiting for marriage. Those are both totally fine and respectable choices, they are awesome choices even, but they are not the same as being gay, trans, a person of color, a woman, or any other oppressed group who are poorly and underrepresented in the media. The argument can certainly and rightfully be made that there are many underrepresented religions in our media (this is often due to the intersectionality of religion and race) but no real religions are represented in Thedas. While potentially significant, and certainly of value, it is not the same thing. Again though, Im not against the inclusion of the content, but the current reasoning being given ignores a fundamental part of what the idea of media representation means.