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[oceanicsurvivor]

Since the goal is for all of us to get along, be represented, and end hate and bigotry.  Not being an ass to each other is a good start for either side.  Being a dick, being mean to others, treating others like crap, marginalizing others is the very thing we're trying to fight against.  How the hell can we do that using the same hateful, bigotted and dickish methods used to marginalize others.  It's just more of the same.

 

Violence begets violence, hate begets hate, being an ass begets being an ass.

 

For a change to truly occur, we need to change how we approach this or it's just and endless cycle of the same damn thing with each group trying to get in over on the other.  Everyone is going for power, and forgetting the end goal is supposed to be equality, mutual understanding and supporting each other.

 

 

There's a difference between demanding equality and recognition, and attempting to marginalize the other side.  Which true or not is what is being done by saying anyones needs are unimportant or inferior.  You can demand one without trying to enforce the other or telling people these degrading and dehumanizing things.

 

Is not a matter of stroking the majorities ego, it's a matter of not poking the bear unnecessarily and wrongfully.

 

A bad tactic is a bad tactic, calling it what it is, is not saying anything but how bad the tactic is.

 

WE/SOCIETY CAN NOT MARGINALIZE Straight white people. It is literally that simple. Nothing the LGBT community, the black community, women, any marginalized group can do will ever marginalize the straight white man. Our culture is too ingrained. I don't want to marginalize anyone, but I couldn't marginalize straight white men if I tried.

 

Violence begets violence and hate begets hate? True enough. The difference is, one side has legal, social, and economic protection at an institutional level. Pointing this fact out isn't marginalizing straight white people. Its pointing out the truth of inequity in our society. If people can't handle that, that does not mean marginalized individuals were 'poking the bear' or taking unnecessary shots at the majority. If they are unwilling to listen when a person who is marginalized/oppressed speaks about that oppression then that indicates a problem with the individual in the majority, not the one in the minority.

[Inquisitor7]

Isn't that the sort of thing saved for happily ever after and fanfiction?

And real life?

[dreamgazer]

Can we get divorces, too?  Can we be polygamists? Have affairs in secret while staying married, or have an open relationship? 

[Nefla]

If my character said that I think I'd cry...  I want the dress and aisle...

Me too, Say Yes to the Dress is one of my favorite shows  do not disrespect the dress!

[Enigmatick]

This is why people see these games as nothing but western waifu sims.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I want my next BW protagonist to be a swinger and only have sex if it's with three or more people. It's only right that swingers get representation. Even if they're a minority. BioWare is all about inclusiveness and quick sex scenes with three or more people wouldn't really strain the development budget because it's what a small part of the fanbase wants. 

Ironically. You got that in both DA:O and DA:2. Done with your childish and disrespectful comments yet?

[nici2412]

This is why people see these games as nothing but western waifu sims.

To be fair. It's not the game (romances are just a very small part of the game). It's just this forum, that many people are obsessed with this kind of stuff,

[CENIC]

I'd welcome the option, as long as it is just that - an option. Opinions about marriage tend to be VERY strong. >_>
Obviously, if marriage were an option it would have to be available to straight and gay couples - and unfortunately, in the world we live in, that guarantees bad press for BioWare.

I would also hope that love interests would or would not be open to marriage based on their own individual beliefs and personality, rather than bending to the player's will. Isabela and Zevran, for example, are not love interests I could see agreeing to marriage vows.

[Rel Fexive]

The whole concept seems odd considering the game's setting. Setting time aside to get Married when demons are running rampant and the Elder One plotting nasty stuff. Honestly Marriage should the last thing on the Inquisitor's mind. I mean, Marriage during the story would have made more sense in DA2, considering its a personal Story about Hawke. There they could have set time aide for a wedding and such.

 

It's not really different to the amount of time set aside for romances, companion quests and conversations in the face of worldwide destruction, though, is it?

 

I want my next BW protagonist to be a swinger and only have sex if it's with three or more people. It's only right that swingers get representation. Even if they're a minority. BioWare is all about inclusiveness and quick sex scenes with three or more people wouldn't really strain the development budget because it's what a small part of the fanbase wants. 

 

This would be funny if it was actually funny.  Can you imagine the character and plot flags required?  Yeesh!

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I didn't get a scene. And how is what I said childish or disrespectful? Funny you bring up irony, because I'm not the one doing the name calling.

I don't need to nor will I answer that.

[Puppy Love]

Straight white privilege is a myth at the individual level.  The truth is there's several straight white's of high influence and power that want to keep that power over anyone else, including other straight whites.  The enemy is not straight white men.  It's the system.

 

The system, the people in charge of the system, and they way minorities is treated by the system is not the same as straight white men, women or anyone else that lives in the system.  Telling people they're desires and opinions and desires mean less because the system is corrupt and messed up helps no one.

 

We need to stop blanketly targetting people and target the system and those that help enforce it.  Just because someone is straight and white does not make them the enemy, but treating them like one anyway sure does.

 

Pointing out that the system currently favors straight white males, and that it's a problem is not the same as telling a straight white male that it means they're thoughts and opinions are lesser or unimportant.  Is called discussing the problem without actively blanketly attacking people who may not be actively involved with the problem.

 

No one, straight, white, black, ect is less important than anyone else on the merit of these traits, period, end of discussion.  No one's needs are less than anyone else.  Going down that road only leads to disaster.

 

Attack the problem itself, not the people who may not be a part of it.

[Lady Nuggins]

I want my next BW protagonist to be a swinger and only have sex if it's with three or more people. It's only right that swingers get representation. Even if they're a minority. BioWare is all about inclusiveness and quick sex scenes with three or more people wouldn't really strain the development budget because it's what a small part of the fanbase wants. 

 

You know people have actually asked for polyamorous relationships in the past, right?  But that would be far more complex than simply changing the types of romance scenes that are shown to make it a marriage instead of, I don't know, teaching someone how to read or something.

 

This is why people see these games as nothing but western waifu sims.

 

Because people talk about romance in the romance threads?  And then those threads get really long because they mostly consist of arguing over whether romance is worth talking about and how nobody should care about romance?

[Enigmatick]

To be fair. It's not the game (romances are just a very small part of the game). It's just this forum, that many people are obsessed with this kind of stuff,

I should have added that to my post, thanks.

[nici2412]

Straight white privilege is a myth at the individual level.  The truth is there's several straight white's of high influence and power that want to keep that power over anyone else, including other straight whites.  The enemy is not straight white men.  It's the system.

 

The system, the people in charge of the system, and they way minorities is treated by the system is not the same as straight white men, women or anyone else that lives in the system.  Telling people they're desires and opinions and desires mean less because the system is corrupt and messed up helps no one.

 

We need to stop blanketly targetting people and target the system and those that help enforce it.  Just because someone is straight and white does not make them the enemy, but treating them like one anyway sure does.

 

Pointing out that the system currently favors straight white males, and that it's a problem is not the same as telling a straight white male that it means they're thoughts and opinions are lesser or unimportant.  Is called discussing the problem without actively blanketly attacking people who may not be actively involved with the problem.

 

No one, straight, white, black, ect is less important than anyone else on the merit of these traits, period, end of discussion.  No one's needs are less than anyone else.  Going down that road only leads to disaster.

 

Attack the problem itself, not the people who may not be a part of it.

Just out of curiosity. Don't you think there is a better place to fight your privat war against the system, straight white men, the people in power or whoever you are fighting against than a rpg game forum?

[Nefla]

While I would certainly agree that Hollywood and media has not portrayed waiting for marriage as a popular choice, being married or waiting for marriage is not something that has gotten anyone erased from the history books, it isn't something that makes you a target when you walk down the street, and it isn't something that causes you to systemically be denied rights or legal protection.

It is however something that has gotten me mocked, harassed, bullied, and made people try to alter me to their way of life because of how "wrong" I am. Even someone I consider a friend had constantly tried to get me to "have 8 boyfriends at once "  and all of that was as an adult, this wasn't some teenage hazing thing.

[Rel Fexive]

I wasn't trying to be funny I was being sincere. What you said is so offensive to swingers. 

 

Anything else you'd like included?  How far would you go to be truly and amusingly inclusive - bestiality?  Necrophilia?  We don't want to leave anyone out.

 

Me thinks people be sensitive and use the oppression card when stupid mechanics which for all intents and purposes are already included as another mechanic are called out for being stupid.

 

Now you're just being impolite.

[Samahl]

It is however something that has gotten me mocked, harassed, bullied, and made people try to alter me to their way of life because of how "wrong" I am. Even someone I consider a friend had constantly tried to get me to "have 8 boyfriends at once "  and all of that was as an adult, this wasn't some teenage hazing thing.

 

That honestly sounds like sexism more than anything else. Women are pushed harder to get married and settle down (men are too, but I would argue that it's to a lesser extent).

[Puppy Love]

Just out of curiosity. Don't you think there is a better place to fight your privat war against the system, straight white men, the people in power or whoever you are fighting against than a rpg game forum?

 

I can see how it looks like that.  Really I'm just calling it as I see it.  I don't like it when I run into this kind of divisiveness because I think it's a part of the problem.  It creates enemies where there are none, and helps keep the divide between everyone stronger.  Plus I'm tired of seeing people discuss wanting something and being told they shouldn't get it for discriminatory reasons.  It's unnecessary to crap on people's dreams in such a way.  

[Enigmatick]

Hey guys remember that Dragon Age game?

[Samahl]

Anything else you'd like included?  How far would you go to be truly and amusingly inclusive - bestiality?  Necrophilia?  We don't want to leave anyone out.

 

Loving the comparison of swingers to people who have sex with things that can't give consent.

[CENIC]

It is however something that has gotten me mocked, harassed, bullied, and made people try to alter me to their way of life because of how "wrong" I am. Even someone I consider a friend had constantly tried to get me to "have 8 boyfriends at once "  and all of that was as an adult, this wasn't some teenage hazing thing.

I'm an asexual, moderately attractive woman. I'm inured to the insult "prude" these days.
That being said... being called names is certainly not as damaging as what other sexual minorities put up with, so I generally hold my peace.