This is my first playthough of me3 with an imported Shep. I played me1 and saved the coucil (cause tevos is bae). I wanted to make sure i got the alien coucncil in me3. When i finally reached me3 there was an all human coucil. If anyone knows which decision changes the coucil to all human so I can fix it in the save game editor (maybe something went wrong?) or if you have an alternate soloution would be a great help to me.
ps. my shep is mostly paragon with some renegade.
I want that council, can we switch? Our games clearly got mixed up
You actually somehow got an all-human council?
Like, four Udinas or something?
Now I'm just thinking of the incompetency. Hackett, Anderson, Udina, and unknown #4.
*shudders*
Guys don't be cruel.
First you'll need 6 Paragon bars and at least 1 Renegade.
Then you'll need to head back to the part of the citadel where you first speak to the all human council and inform them of Saren's plot and his actions on Tuchanka. The council will send you back to Virmire where you'll have to fight and kill a reaper known only as 'Catalyst' who's trying to indoctrinate you using the crucible.
(Spoiler) While you're on Tuchanka you may encounter a Turian called Marauder Shields who tries to warn you of Catalyst's deception, don't kill him.
When you return to citadel you find out Conrad Verner has been a secret Cerberus spy trying to steal your spectre codes, so he can assume your identity and control the reapers. Once he's been defeated and you've had a party with your friends you have to confront Jacob in a virtual bare knuckled contest in the arcade, you'll need to let him win. This allows enough time to pass for Saren to kill the all human council.
If you choose not to let Jacob win you can still let the council die by apologising and taking him to a sushi bar that Miranda recommended in ME2 provided you saved the Geth on Eden Prime and let sovereign become a 'true reaper' by using the Destiny Ascension device you found on Illos to ascend into dark space.
You know, this talk about the all-human council made me think back to Mass Effect when it was in better days, it's a pity to see the direction where Mass Effect eventualy ended up being.
You know, this talk about the all-human council made me think back to Mass Effect when it was in better days, it's a pity to see the direction where Mass Effect eventualy ended up being.
You think it would've been better if they had stuck with the possibility of the weak-ass Alliance actually holding the seat of power in the Galaxy?
You think it would've been better if they had stuck with the possibility of the weak-ass Alliance actually holding the seat of power in the Galaxy?
For the sake of consistency, yes. However, I object to your premise; There's no reason to assume that the Alliance is "weak-ass" nor is it corect to assume that they're ' holding the seat of power in the galaxy', they only dominte the overarching politics of the council-allinged races.
For the sake of consistency, yes. However, I object to your premise; There's no reason to assume that the Alliance is "weak-ass" nor is it corect to assume that they're ' holding the seat of power in the galaxy', they only dominte the overarching politics of the council-allinged races.
Smallest population, besides the Quarians. Its fleets and economy are absolutely dwarfed by the Turians, Asari, and Salarians. Its technology level is also below. The Turians would've just gone and conquer Earth and subjugate humanity within a couple weeks, without the Salarians and Asari to tell them to hold up and not go conquering the new guys.
The Citadel is the seat of power in the galaxy. And dominating the political landscape is also holding the most power.
Did you read the Codex?
You know, this talk about the all-human council made me think back to Mass Effect when it was in better days, it's a pity to see the direction where Mass Effect eventualy ended up being.
I don't think there would be a Council for an all human 'Council' to preside over. That idea was crazy back in ME1.
Smallest population, besides the Quarians. Its fleets and economy are absolutely dwarfed by the Turians, Asari, and Salarians.
True, but this does not make them "weak-ass" or unable to compete, as is proven ingame.
Its technology level is also below.
Proof please,
Turians would've just gone. conquered, and subjugated Earth within a couple weeks, without the Salarians and Asari to tell them to hold up and not go conquering the new guys.
Once again, this is never proven, the codex merely states that turians were mobilizing for war, any outcome is strictly hypothical.
The Citadel is the seat of power in the galaxy. And dominating the political landscape is also holding the most power.
The Citadel only enjoys political power in council allinged systems, and then again it only sets policy on interstellar matters, most of a species' internal policy is left up to their own government. As is mentioned multiple times during the series, the council rarely if ever intervenes into matters of individuals species or conflicts between two species.
I don't think there would be a Council for an all human 'Council' to preside over. That idea was crazy back in ME1.
Ding, ding, ding.
True, but this does not make them "weak-ass" or unable to compete, as is proven ingame.
Proof please,
Once again, this is never proven, the codex merely states that turians were mobilizing for war, any outcome is strictly hypothical.
The Citadel only enjoys political power in council allinged systems, and then again it only sets policy on interstellar matters, most of a species' internal policy is left up to their own government. As is mentioned multiple times during the series, the council rarely if ever intervenes into matters of individuals species or conflicts between two species.
But it does. Population very much does matter. For a war-time economy? You need as many people in the factories as possible.
The Asari are repeatedly called the most technologically advanced. The Salarians are clearly more advanced than the Alliance, and the Turians were who enabled the Normandy to be built.
Sure, any outcome is strictly hypothetical. Like who would win a war between the United States and Cuba. Strictly hypothetical. But it's fairly obvious who'd win. The Turians are more competent militarily, have five times the dreadnoughts than the Alliance has at its peak, and has at least five times more fleets than the Alliance, with 32 to the Alliance's peak 6. And it's very reasonable to believe each Turian fleet is larger than any given Alliance fleet, given that the Turians, are well, the Turians.
Let's say you're right. Do you think the Asari, Turians, and Salarians are just going to let the Alliance set any sort of policy regarding Council space without them having a say? Do you think the Volus, as a client race of the Turians, would be happy about it either?
No. What would happen, if the Alliance were to actually try to make a power play to control the Citadel, would be the complete disregard of any rulings the new "council" would set down, followed by the complete and utter annihilation of the Alliance military, and the dissolving of the Alliance ruling body.
But it does. Population very much does matter. For a war-time economy? You need as many people in the factories as possible.
That assumes warfare in Mass Effect is comparable to present day warfare, furthermore, robots greatly enhance the productivity of labour and even nowadays most first world factories are heavily automized. Population numbers are only important if you make it important.
The Asari are repeatedly called the most technologically advanced. The Salarians are clearly more advanced than the Alliance, and the Turians were who enabled the Normandy to be built.
Technology in Mass Effect is incredibily standardized, and it's unlikely that one Citadel race would gain a superiority of the other strictly through technolgical means. especially when we don't even what these supposedly more advanced technologies even are.
Sure, any outcome is strictly hypothetical. Like who would win a war between the United States and Cuba. Strictly hypothetical. But it's fairly obvious who'd win. The Turians are more competent militarily, have five times the dreadnoughts than the Alliance has at its peak, and has at least five times more fleets than the Alliance, with 32 to the Alliance's peak 6. And it's very reasonable to believe each Turian fleet is larger than any given Alliance fleet, given that the Turians, are well, the Turians.
There's no closing evidence to suggest to the Turians are any more competent at warfare than the Alliance. Whilst the Turians are militarized and have more ships, there is no specific data available as to how the various naval forces would fare against each other in a military engagment.
Let's say you're right. Do you think the Asari, Turians, and Salarians are just going to let the Alliance set any sort of policy regarding Council space without them having a say? Do you think the Volus, as a client race of the Turians, would be happy about it either?
No. What would happen, if the Alliance were to actually try to make a power play to control the Citadel, would be the complete disregard of any rulings the new "council" would set down, followed by the complete and utter annihilation of the Alliance military, and the dissolving of the Alliance ruling body.
More supposition and conjecture on your part. You're forgetting we're talking about a scenario in which the council forces are heavily depleted. Udina literally states that the citadel fleets (plural) were decimated by sovereign. Like it or not, In the event the council should perish the narrative is quite clear about it's implications. Mass Effect 2 even confirmed this by stating "Humanity seized political control of the galaxy".
That assumes warfare in Mass Effect is comparable to present day warfare, furthermore, robots greatly enhance the productivity of labour and even nowadays most first world factories are heavily automized. Population numbers are only important if you make it important.
Technology in Mass Effect is incredibily standardized, and it's unlikely that one Citadel race would gain a superiority of the other strictly through technolgical means. especially when we don't even what these supposedly more advanced technologies even are.
There's no closing evidence to suggest to the Turians are any more competent at warfare than the Alliance. Whilst the Turians are militarized and have more ships, there is no specific data available as to how the various naval forces would fare against each other in a military engagment.
More supposition and conjecture on your part. You're forgetting we're talking about a scenario in which the council forces are heavily depleted. Udina literally states that the citadel fleets (plural) were decimated by sovereign. Like it or not, In the event the council should perish the narrative is quite clear about it's implications. Mass Effect 2 even confirmed this by stating "Humanity seized political control of the galaxy".
And you still need skilled labour, and tax revenue to fight a war. Population matters.
The Asari have relatively huge ships, their Dreadnoughts mass close to the same as Reapers, and their cruisers are the size of dreadnoughts. It's more refined. The true council races likely have better shields, more power cannons, and greater propulsion. It may be the same type, but it can still be better.
The Alliance got absolutely steamrolled by twelve Reapers hitting Arcturus Station. Multiple fleets got annihilated in its defense. The Turians held Palaven for months, and destroyed sizable numbers of Sovereign-class Reapers before they managed to even get to the planet. Read the codex entries for the Battle of Palaven, and compare them to the success Hackett and the fifth fleet had taking down Sovereign, who wasn't even able to use his main gun.
The Turians have far, far, far more ships. To the point where it's just laughable. Then you could throw in the Asari and Salarians, each boasting at least three times more.
The Citadel Fleet, the combined force protecting the Citadel, got decimated by Sovereign, and an entire Geth fleet that accompanied him. And can we just amount that "fleets" line to Udina being an idiot, seeing as there is only one Citadel fleet that engaged Sovereign?
That "Humanity seized political control" line? A load of steaming bullshit. It's generally agreed upon that everything after the Vigil conversation on Ilos is a mess and subpar, and the whole Human council thing is one of the reasons.
What was the importance of the choice for implementing an all human council in ME1?
"An all human council" - Udina's illusions of grandeur and Anderson agrees since he is "an old soldier, stuck in his ways, only able to see the world down the barrel of a gun".
Very good characters though but, like all humans, prone to err.
I'll implement Ashley, Udina, Allers, and Jacob to the all human council just so I will have no regrets on letting them die.
As for the other discussion that's brewing here: wouldn't it be nice if people just accepted the lore? If we can't even accept the facts the game gives you we might as well discard the entire trilogy as a lie.
Hmm, I've heard that before.
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