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[KaiserShep]

And if it meant my own survival, I would've stolen it. Heck I would probably have fried it up and eaten it.

[Augustei]

Hopefully, If only so I can hand her over to the Arishok again =P
Maybe the Stenishok will not be so incompentent as to let her get away like his predecessor and just kill her right there to avoid the hassle.

[mikeymoonshine]

I don't really see the point. She doesn't die in DA2 because she is kind of important to the plot and I guess if you don't give her to the Arishok there isn't a reason to kill her after that. She escapes because they wanted to write a comic with her in where she escapes, it doesn't necessarily mean they favor the character and don't want her to ever be killed. 

 

I don't see why us not getting the chance to kill a character is such a bad thing. Not every character needs to be killable and I really don't understand the people who seem to want that to be an option. 

[DavoRaydn]

basics of DA games:

 

- PC always kills an Ogre at the beginning

- PC gets saved by Flemeth who then asks for a favour

- PC has threesome with Isabela and X

 

simples....

[Dabrikishaw]

Yes, Isabela should have given the Tome back, it's their holy relic but that's not why I don't blame the Qunari for attacking Kirkwall.  I blame Petrice for basically starting a holy war with the Arishok out of her own bigotry. She was the reason I don't hold what the Arishok does in contempt.

[Lee80]

I guess it all depends on how you look at it, but it is very interesting to think that Isabella caused more death and damage then even Anders on his worst day.  However, I doubt there will ever be a moment with people want to kill her as much as they seem to enjoy killing Anders.  

 

Oh well, the point is Isabella certainly should have been punished for her crimes in some fashion, but it seems she hasn't met her final fate yet. There is no way to know if she will somehow make up for what she has done, or face dire consequences in a future game (or book).  Personally though if she does come back, I hope it's in a game.  I'm not a big fan of having big plot outcomes happening in supplemental material. 

[GuitarShredUK]

Since its confirmed Hawke is back in Inquisition, as long as you can customise some details for him/her. I can't wait to meet my main warrior Hawke, whose love interest is Isabela, playing as a Qunari rogue inquisitor. She will lose her ****. Personally I would love to see her back in DAI. I agree with mikeymoonshine, not every character needs to be killable in a game, I mean some really want to kill their Hawke, are these the same people who really want them to appear in DAI full stop?

[duckley]

Wasnt pretty much every character in DA2 pretty flawed...except Varric and Aveline? All of them pretty much caused directly or indirectly, death and destruction at some point in their lives...


At any rate, not dure what armor you are referring to...did you see something in DAI promo material someone who looked like Isabella?

I think Isabella will be referred to and used by Varric as a resource in DAI.

[AlanC9]

Oh well, the point is Isabella certainly should have been punished for her crimes in some fashion, but it seems she hasn't met her final fate yet. There is no way to know if she will somehow make up for what she has done, or face dire consequences in a future game (or book).  Personally though if she does come back, I hope it's in a game.  I'm not a big fan of having big plot outcomes happening in supplemental material. 

While I agree that Isabela deserves punishment, I kind of hope she doesn't get it. There's nothing wrong with having a few Karma Houdinis in the setting.

[frankf43]

Plot armor? She's just a pirate who can look after herself. It's really not surprising that she survives no matter what.

 

Unless Varric asks for her help, etc, I don't think we have or seen any reasons for her to return.

My Hawk ran off with her. So if he is back she wight be with him.

[Samahl]

That's literally the holiest object related to the Qun. If the Qunari stole the Urn of Sacred Ashes you can bet your ass all of Thedas would band together for another Exalted March.

 

No one forced the Qunari to attack. They chose to do so themselves. Their excuse is incredibly flimsy, especially since, from their perspective, there's no evidence that the person who stole it is even there anymore.

[Fearsome1]

DA2 spoilers so I didnt mention the name in the thread title.

Spoiler

Im wondering if Isabela will return in DA:I? 

 

I really enjoyed how they portrayed her in DA2. That was a major rework of a toss-off character from the previous game. I loved her in the second game quite a bit, but wholeheartedly agree that they screwed the pooch in not having her pay for her actions. A great deal of what went on in Kirkwall fell squarely in her lap, and to me at least, HAD she paid the ultimate price, I believe it would have resonated much better and given her a proper level of closure (particularly if Hawke had romanced this character). 

 

Now on a different note, to answer your original question: The reason she has significant plot armor has GOT to be those epic boobs!

[pdusen]

So your argument is that she survived due to her skills and being a survivor, in other words her surviving wasnt because the devs didnt want her dead/alive but because it was in her nature to survive? This is actually a pretty good argument.

The problem with it (as I see it) is that she was on a boat at sea (unless I remember it wrong?), surrounded and guarded by Qunari and in chains. Even a survivor's skills has its limits and despite your reasoning I consider it quiet far-fetched. Could you elaborate abit on why you think she would manage to escape?

 

Far-fetched? Over the course of DAO and DA2, every single party member is responsible for cutting down hordes of hostile attackers numbering in the thousands. I think it's safe to say that what's far-fetched for normal people really doesn't matter.

[Beerfish]

So the sacking of Kirkwall is the Arishok's fault when she could have easily handed over the Tome in year one and avoided the entire incident...

 

I wonder how many people here blame Loghain for Ostagar? I'm betting the thread would be overwhelmed with hypocrisy.

- The Qunari lied about why they were there.

- The Qunari told no one why they were there.

- The Qunari seemingly made zero real attempt to find the Tome, something hawke did in about 3 days.

- The Qunari hung around for years with absolutely zero results at finding their precious book when it was right under their nose.

 

The utter arrogance of the Arishok and the belief that the way of the Qun is the right way in all things dragged this thing out for years.  Funny how the Arishok was not beneath deceit and lies at almost every turn but when it came time to get down and dirty and deal with bad elements of Kirkwall to get his book he turned up his nose.

 

If he would have either dealt with the theives of kirkwall or dealt with the viscount on the book issue and made if very clear if he didn't get his book there would be hell to pay they would have got results, very very soon.  Instead he sat on his hands, stewed on his throne and then instead of getting his book decided to take his frustrations out on the city.  No, this actual thief was a small part of the whole Kirkwall disaster.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Id just like to clarify something if it got misinterpreted.

- I dont have any "sociopathic" desire to see her dead, I actually like her character.

- I dont judge her morals or actions in the sense you might think here

What Im trying to get across, is how illogical it seems that she survives nomatter what. Thats why Im wondering if she will have a large role in Inquisition. Because it seems that the writers gave her a free pass for a character that would normally have died off in the situation they were in. I dont think I overused the term plot armor here, because it seems to me that it is completely implausible that she would survive what she had done and the situation she were in (qunari captive in a boat at sea) based on her actions and consequenses.

If it is a fact that they wanted her to live to write a story on her, that leaves me slightly disturbed. That would mean they are removing options and choices for us players in the games we are playing for some self-indulgent need to write an extra story. This despite the character's situation, in this case trapped and chained on a qunari boat at sea and probably under constant guard. 

If she had escaped on the harbour, then atleast it would make some kind of sense as to make it abit more plausible.

Again, I view this not from a moral standpoint - but more based on action and consequenses. And no I dont want her dead just for the sake of it. For her to survive in DA:2 there would have to be some really heavy excuse for it in relation to Inquisition imo and even then it is questionable.

[Beerfish]

Maybe Isabella has a reload button and save games like Hawke or the Warden had?  Biggest plot armour of all time.....reload from previous save.

[Samahl]

The problem with it (as I see it) is that she was on a boat at sea (unless I remember it wrong?), surrounded and guarded by Qunari and in chains. Even a survivor's skills has its limits and despite your reasoning I consider it quiet far-fetched. Could you elaborate abit on why you think she would manage to escape?

 

She used Decoy.

[Darvins]

So the sacking of Kirkwall is the Arishok's fault when she could have easily handed over the Tome in year one and avoided the entire incident...

 

I wonder how many people here blame Loghain for Ostagar? I'm betting the thread would be overwhelmed with hypocrisy.

 

She didn't have it in year one, she lost it at the sametime as her ship crashed, when you meet her she's looking for the Tome, chasing down every lead she can. She doesn't get it till the end of Act 2, where in, if you have befriended her she will return with the book and hand it over to Arishok. It's also not comparable to Ostagar in that at Ostagar Loghain turned his back on, and pulled his army away, leaving the king and all his forces to die in a hopeless battle, expecting him to show up. In this Isabella may leave with the book but at the time she didn't know the Arishok was about to go crazy and try and kill everyone. A rational person would have thought he would leave when he heard the book was gone.

 

Loghain knew when he pulled his forces out that Cailen would die along with all the Grey Wardens and Cailens forces, that was the point of his withdrawal. Isabella did not know when she took the book that the Arishok would be knee deep in the nobles of Kirkwall threatening to kill them if they didn't convert. Nor was it her plan, her plan was to take the book and pay off her debt.

[Roninbarista]

I think Isabella escaped Kirkwall's justice (wrath?) is likely due to being associated with Hawke,who becomes the city's champion. Also Isabella offered to duel the Arishok for her actions to the death. The Arishok rejected the offer.

I'm guessing the people of Kirkwall hate the Qunari, so likely place the blame of death and destruction on the Qunari, and not Isabella. How many people in the city know or care what that tome is about?

She got damned lucky, and should be grateful to have such friends who didn't reject her after all was said and done. Personally I think Hawke and company has been a good influence on Isabella. Does that mean she stopped being a raider though?

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I doubt she'll even show up, but I'd love for her to make an appearance. One of my fav companions.

[Vandicus]

That's literally the holiest object related to the Qun. If the Qunari stole the Urn of Sacred Ashes you can bet your ass all of Thedas would band together for another Exalted March.

It think we'd all criticize them(as unbelievably stupid) if the Ashes were stolen by the Qunari or Tevinter and they invaded Orzammar to try and retrieve them.

[BigEvil]

Yes, Isabela should have given the Tome back, it's their holy relic but that's not why I don't blame the Qunari for attacking Kirkwall.  I blame Petrice for basically starting a holy war with the Arishok out of her own bigotry. She was the reason I don't hold what the Arishok does in contempt.

 

This is a good point.

 

I think the main point I took away from DA2 was that there wasn't one person to blame, there were lots of people to blame.

[Joseph Warrick]

To beat The Elder One, we need help from The Younger And Sexier One.

[Ashelsu]

I think you can not put all the responsibility for what happened to Isabela. The crisis of the second act is a collective guilt of many people - Arishok, Viscount, Sister Petris, Aveline and Isabela, in the same way as the crisis of the third act is a collective guilt of  Anders, Meredith, Orsino, Elthina and Champion. Everyone had a hand in what happened due to their action or inaction.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Isabela was an awful character and I hope she never ever returns. I kinda hope she just went to Rivain or took to the seas and won't be anywhere near Orlais or Fereldan during the game.

 

An amoral, backstabbing, thieving, sleazy, pathological liar. She was the Yoshimo of DA:II, except Yoshimo had a better excuse. And her voice was almost as grating as Merrill's. Handing her over to the Arishok after she swoops in like the hero of the day, but then sarcastically discarding her and having her dragged off was one of the best things about DAII. (and it didn't have all that many high notes)

 

It's such a shame she managed to escape. I would have preferred it if they gave her the ''Viscount Dumar'' makeover.