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[LobselVith8]

Yeah I don't understand it either :/. Besides, if the figure in the trailer is Andraste, it cant really be classified as a faith anymore as it is tactile. The relation between Andraste and Quizzy can be compared to Admiral Hackett and Commander Shepard. Shep is then the "Herold of Humanity"

 

I'm not religious in any way, but this how I see things going down. 

 

Wouldn't that require the Inquisitor to believe Andraste is a divine figure? The Dalish, Dwarven, and Vashoth protagonist have their own cultural and spiritual views, while Andraste is a religious figure of the Chantry. If the elven protagonist encounters the figure and believes the entity to be Falon'Din, I can see that as a reason why the protagonist would reject the title of 'Andraste's Herald'.

[Super Drone]

It's hip to hate on religions, even fictional ones.

 

That and there are people in the fandom who sympathize with/ secretly think of themselves as, Mages or Dalish Elves or any of the other special-snowflake "oppressed" cultures, and hate the Chantry for being big meanie-heads to "their" people.... 

[Dabrikishaw]

This.
The wonders of BSN never ceases to amaze me

Are we pretending you haven't acted the same way?

[Samahl]

The wonders of BSN never ceases to amaze me

 

Is this your catchphrase now or something?

 

Also, I doubt anyone hoping to "kill Andraste" in DAI is being serious.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wouldn't that require the Inquisitor to believe Andraste is a divine figure?

 

Only if you assume the figure is Andraste.

 

 

I can see that as a reason why the protagonist would reject the title of 'Andraste's Herald'.

 

Given the Devs have said that it will make sense, i trust that it will make sense.

[Revelat0]

I tend to play agnostic and indifferent to the Chantry, some of the the things they do are good, other things they do are corrupt and abusive of their power, so I would say, eliminate the power, eliminate the problem. In layman's terms cut out the cancer but don't kill the person. As for Andraste, depending on how you perceive her she could be speculated to be many things, at this point the Chantry has likely misinterpreted many things about her, if given the opportunity to enlighten them I don't see why not. For instance, what if she really is a mage and this comes to light in DAI?

[DeityDi]

Wouldn't that require the Inquisitor to believe Andraste is a divine figure? The Dalish, Dwarven, and Vashoth protagonist have their own cultural and spiritual views, while Andraste is a religious figure of the Chantry. If the elven protagonist encounters the figure and believes the entity to be Falon'Din, I can see that as a reason why the protagonist would reject the title of 'Andraste's Herald'.

Why only non-humans can do that? Any sane mage can also reject the idea of being associated with that bullcrap just as easily. 

[frylock23]

Likely because it's pretty obvious that the Chantry is loosely based off the Catholic religion, so people probably get it confused with Christianity somewhere inside. So they transpose their feelings for the one onto the other, and viola! hatred for Andraste is born. Me, I tend to think that's silly because it would be like hating Orlesians because they are obviously loosely based off the French ...

[Spicen]

Is this your catchphrase now or something?

Also, I doubt anyone hoping to "kill Andraste" in DAI is being serious.

Yes its my new favorite line.

FYI, theres a guy who said he wud burn everything related to Da if h didnt get the option to be antichantry.

[Spicen]

Are we pretending you haven't acted the same way?

No not at all. I wud burn nothing if loghain came back alive. id just kill him again. simple.

For more info, read my reply to Samahl

[Spicen]

Likely because it's pretty obvious that the Chantry is loosely based off the Catholic religion, so people probably get it confused with Christianity somewhere inside. So they transpose their feelings for the one onto the other, and viola! hatred for Andraste is born. Me, I tend to think that's silly because it would be like hating Orlesians because they are obviously loosely based off the French ...

count down begins. well see an anti orlesian thread anytime soon.

[LobselVith8]

Yea I guess it's the hate towards religion, especially if it's mainstream religion that's forced on people. I haven't heard people complainin about Dalish nor Dwarven religions. Like DAO had many scenes to be good Andrastian but not to follow another religions. Andraste is big part of Andrastian religion so she gets lot of heat. I just wonder what Andraste herself would say about religion that has been build in her name XD

 

I actually find the Dalish religion to be very interesting. The pantheon of the Creators, their war with the Forgotten Ones, the trickster Fen'Harel, the Eternal City, the Beyond, and the view that all spirits are dangerous. The Dalish also view Andraste as a secular leader, and Velanna expressed that she liked her.

[dekarserverbot]

count down begins. well see an anti orlesian thread anytime soon.

Is Loghain going to start it?

[LobselVith8]

That and there are people in the fandom who sympathize with/ secretly think of themselves as, Mages or Dalish Elves or any of the other special-snowflake "oppressed" cultures, and hate the Chantry for being big meanie-heads to "their" people.... 

 

I'm pretty certain the people who disagree with you are able to distinguish fiction from reality.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Likely because it's pretty obvious that the Chantry is loosely based off the Catholic religion

 

VERY loosely. Andraste was a warrior who brought down a magical empire, Jesus was a pacifist. The Chantry is matriarchal, the Catholic church is patriarchal. The Maker turned away from the world, Yahweh is supposedly watching you constantly. The Chantry preaches that magic serves man, the Catholics like burning witches.

 

But apart from all that...

[Iakus]

VERY loosely. Andraste was a warrior who brought down a magical empire, Jesus was a pacifist. The Chantry is matriarchal, the Catholic church is patriarchal. The Maker turned away from the world, Yahweh is supposedly watching you masturbate. The Chantry preaches that magic serves man, the Catholics like burning witches.

 

But apart from all that...

Andraste pretty clearly derives inspiration from Joan of Arc as well.

[MACharlie1]

VERY loosely. Andraste was a warrior who brought down a magical empire, Jesus was a pacifist. The Chantry is matriarchal, the Catholic church is patriarchal. The Maker turned away from the world, Yahweh is supposedly watching you masturbate. The Chantry preaches that magic serves man, the Catholics like burning witches.

 

But apart from all that...

Just in it's scale and influence it does bear heavy resemblance especially when there is a central figure head such as Andraste who is a Virgin Mary/Joan of Arc/Jesus mix.  

[katerinafm]

Because it's the first question people ask when they see a new character in DA. "Can we kill them if we don't like them?". Now think of the implications of what that means .

[CrimsonN7]

VERY loosely. Andraste was a warrior who brought down a magical empire, Jesus was a pacifist. The Chantry is matriarchal, the Catholic church is patriarchal. The Maker turned away from the world, Yahweh is supposedly watching you constantly. The Chantry preaches that magic serves man, the Catholics like burning witches.

 

But apart from all that...

 

Andraste is also a lil bit of Joan of Arc thrown into the mix, yunno young female religious warrior who brought a great empire to their knees, until she was betrayed.

 

edit: ninja'd numerous times

[Spicen]

Says this as he is posting on the forums.

Those not these.

[Icy Magebane]

I can't answer that OP, since I don't hate Andraste, but see I your point.  According to the historians of Thedas, Andraste was a hero and her contribution to society cannot be understated.  The Tevinter Imperium rivaled the Sith Empire in terms of barbarism and cruelty, so it's hard to find fault in a character who supposedly fought and died to overthrow them.  Even though she died before the Imperium fell due to Maferath's treachery, she still helped free the people of southern Thedas from slavery and the horrors of life under the Magisters.  There is no historical record of any shady dealings or sinister activities she was involved in, so her reputation is completely unblemished...  I'm not really seeing a problem.

[Tootles FTW]

I would totally be down with playing a prequel game where our protag is Andraste.  I imagine our DAO and DA2 heroes could easily be the Andraste's of future generations with some careful Varric-brand storytelling and liberal applications of hero worship.

[Spicen]

I can't answer that OP, since I don't hate Andraste, but see I your point. According to the historians of Thedas, Andraste was a hero and her contribution to society cannot be understated. The Tevinter Imperium rivaled the Sith Empire in terms of barbarism and cruelty, so it's hard to find fault in a character who supposedly fought and died to overthrow them. Even though she died before the Imperium fell due to Maferath's treachery, she still helped free the people of southern Thedas from slavery and the horrors of life under the Magisters. There is no historical record of any shady dealings or sinister activities she was involved in, so her reputation is completely unblemished... I'm not really seeing a problem.

She is the bride of the maker. Thats enough reason for some to kill her..