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why all the hate on andraste

Débuté par The King In The North , août 18 2014 06:21

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:16

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Every character in Dragon Age elicits hate from some group.

 

When I first created the Morrigan thread on here, about the first 10-20 posts were by people saying that they wanted to kill her. Here are a few gems that I have excerpted:

 

 

I really hope we are able to kill her for good this Time around... While I admire her Writing in General, she was so damned unlikeable to me, that I cherished when it was in Character for my Warden to stab her.

 

 

I hope to kill her already. That girls is annoying ass.

 

 

I killed the witch and I liked it to bad Bioware ditched it ><


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:17

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I meant when they get negative lol
And just to clarify: she.
:)

 

Lol. Apologies. Read your comment in haste. And for the record, did not bother to look at your profile pic hehe.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:17

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I think people commonly forget that Andraste didn't found the Chantry. The Chantry was created by Emperor Kordillus Drakon of Orlais 170 years after her death. And while yes, the Chantry's practices were based on the teachings of Andraste, she didn't have a direct hand in the organization's creation. That's an important distinction.

 

Given that the Inquisitor is being seen almost as a second coming of Andraste, I would assume that would allow us to help shape a new interpretation of the Chant of Light, or at least influence people's opinions enough to change some of their core beliefs about her life.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:17

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What does Andraste care?  The Maker's lov'n is all she's ever needed. 

 

I'd love to play a prequel where we're in Andraste's time.  But, I would want you to be forced to play a Tevinter (mage, warrior, rogue whatever) - and make your decisions about Andraste from that position.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:18

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i see people on the forms who hope we can kill why? like why?


I just got a brand new Blade of Mercy and was really itching to try it out on a classic.
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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:20

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The saying from that bumper sticker you see sometimes comes to mind: "Dear God, save from your followers." I think it's more a hatred of the Chantry and what it's become, the zealots, and people in the game who commit atrocities or abuse their power in her name. I don't really get people who want to kill her in the game though - seems extreme and a tad creepy in my opinion.

 

Personally, I tend to play characters who either hate the Chantry or just tolerate it (my personal views on organized religion are likely the cause of this) - but I think Andraste as a figure and/or character (assuming we meet her in some capacity) is really cool. And I really liked some of the devout Andrastians we've met in the games - Genitivi, that sister in Origin who studies relics, Leliana, Cullen, etc.

 

Totally agree, most of the Time its not the religion ppl hate its the people in it, and sadly that is what ppl see of the religion bc the ppl in it are the face of it. For example I am a Christian, but i do not go to church and most things in my religion i shun myself from bc its man made and not God made. Lets put it this way, the Crusades. I am strongly against believing in them learning of them or do i support anything to do with them, bc that was not God driven but Man's lust and hate driven. I believe the BIBLE, not Man's interpretation of it. Jesus taught Love, Peace and respect your fellow man/woman. PERIOD.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:22

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Every character in Dragon Age elicits hate from some group.

When I first created the Morrigan thread on here, about the first 10-20 posts were by people saying that they wanted to kill her. Here are a few gems that I have excerpted:

Well i can understand some hating her for her continuous scorn towards the chantry. But she saved my wardens butt so why shud i care...

As for u personally, dont worry considering the trailers, she is gonna be very important.

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:24

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Totally agree, most of the Time its not the religion ppl hate its the people in it, and sadly that is what ppl see of the religion bc the ppl in it are the face of it. For example I am a Christian, but i do not go to church and most things in my religion i shun myself from bc its man made and not God made. Lets put it this way, the Crusades. I am strongly against believing in them learning of them or do i support anything to do with them, bc that was not God driven but Man's lust and hate driven. I believe the BIBLE, not Man's interpretation of it. Jesus taught Love, Peace and respect your fellow man/woman. PERIOD.

What I'm about to say has nothing to do with Dragon Age but I feel it should be said:
Thank you for being awesome!
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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:25

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Totally agree, most of the Time its not the religion ppl hate its the people in it, and sadly that is what ppl see of the religion bc the ppl in it are the face of it. For example I am a Christian, but i do not go to church and most things in my religion i shun myself from bc its man made and not God made. Lets put it this way, the Crusades. I am strongly against believing in them learning of them or do i support anything to do with them, bc that was not God driven but Man's lust and hate driven. I believe the BIBLE, not Man's interpretation of it. Jesus taught Love, Peace and respect your fellow man/woman. PERIOD.

ameen.

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:25

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Can we please not bring modern religion into this.

 

I can guarantee you that the mods will shut this thread down quicker than you can say enchantment.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:27

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To be honest I have seen more hate for other characters in thew series. Not that I claim to know everything that goes on here but I haven't actually ever seen this specific Andraste hate being talked about in this thread. I am sure it does happen but I doubt it's a huge thing unless we are also talking about general Chantry hate. 

 

It's hip to hate on religions, even fictional ones.

 

Hating faith is the new faith. Even when you play videogames.

 

I am not sure what is being said here. Anti-theism is certainly not a new thing and video games with anti religious themes are not new either. The atheist/secular community has become more connected due to the internet but atheism is not a new idea and many atheists are not actually anti-theists. There are also very few countries where the non religious are not a minority.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:27

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Can we please not bring modern religion into this.

I can guarantee you that the mods will shut this thread down quicker than you can say enchantment.


Enchantment! Beat the mods to it..
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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:28

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Every character in Dragon Age elicits hate from some group.

 

When I first created the Morrigan thread on here, about the first 10-20 posts were by people saying that they wanted to kill her. Here are a few gems that I have excerpted:

I hate to be "that guy," but Morrigan fled on the eve of battle and left the team hanging... she's no saint.

 

Comparing her with Andraste is totally unfair, since we have direct contact with Morrigan and can legitimately form any number of opinions about her.  Opinions about Andraste are based on historical accounts.  We have never met her.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:30

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Okay seriously back to the topic. the people who have the largest number of supporters also have the largest number of haters. But some of it imo goes too far. For ex: the whole game burning thing
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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:30

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I hate to be "that guy," but Morrigan fled on the eve of battle and left the team hanging... she's no saint.

 

Whatevs. Shits given? 0


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:31

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Okay seriously back to the topic. the people who have the largest number of supporters also have the largest number of haters. But some of it imo goes too far. For ex: the whole game burning thing


Those are the ones who buy it just to burn it right?

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:32

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Okay seriously back to the topic. the people who have the largest number of supporters also have the largest number of haters. But some of it imo goes too far. For ex: the whole game burning thing

 

It's called hyperbole.

 

I remarked about a day or two ago that if Bioware ever made a Dragon Age mmo, I would burn my copy of World of Thedas, delete my Origins save file, and cancel my Inquisition preorder. Was I serious? No.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:32

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Whatevs. Shits given? 0

Um wtf?  I know that's your avatar but chill out.  It's not like I'm ragging on the character with no reason...


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:32

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I hate to be "that guy," but Morrigan fled on the eve of battle and left the team hanging... she's no saint.

Comparing her with Andraste is totally unfair, since we have direct contact with Morrigan and can legitimately form any number of opinions about her. Opinions about Andraste are based on historical accounts. We have never met her.

True.
ive been to that thread. Many ppl hated her for her social darwinism and complete intolerance and absurd scorn to religion. saying that shes still my fav chac for some reason lol

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:35

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It's called hyperbole.

I remarked about a day or two ago that if Bioware ever made a Dragon Age mmo, I would burn my copy of World of Thedas, delete my Origins save file, and cancel my Inquisition preorder. Was I serious? No.

It was very serious to that guy. Later he said, that antichantry is important for him personally.

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:35

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I think OP is waaaay over-exaggerating. Andraste gets less people talking about her even in general then some other characters get death wishes. Sure there's one or two folks who care enough about her to want to kill her, but they're mostly the people who want the option to kill everyone.

 

Unless you're conflating "I want to play a dalish/qunari/dwarven religious nut and burn down the chantry" for "I want to kill Andraste", which does get said a lot more. Andraste just..doesn't get talked about a lot.


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:35

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Those are the ones who buy it just to burn it right?

Lol

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:37

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I think OP is waaaay over-exaggerating. Andraste gets less people talking about her even in general then some other characters get death wishes. Sure there's one or two folks who care enough about her to want to kill her, but they're mostly the people who want the option to kill everyone.

Unless you're conflating "I want to play a dalish/qunari/dwarven religious nut and burn down the chantry" for "I want to kill Andraste", which does get said a lot more. Andraste just..doesn't get talked about a lot.

You havnt been to the Herald of Andraste thred. hatred for andraste and chantry at its finest....with cookies

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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:37

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Can we please not bring modern religion into this.

 

I can guarantee you that the mods will shut this thread down quicker than you can say enchantment.

I hate to say it but the hate on Andraste is most likely tied to modern religions. It's inevitable.  :(


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Posté 18 août 2014 - 08:37

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True.
ive been to that thread. Many ppl hated her for her social darwinism and complete intolerance and absurd scorn to religion. saying that shes still my fav chac for some reason lol

 

Many people hate the Chantry (and by proxy Andraste, because she spawned it) for the same reasons: intolerance.

 

Why is it "absurd" to scorn religion. Sticking to the Dragon Age universe and avoiding its real life counterparts, the Chantry has committed genocide against the Dalish elves, persecuted mages merely because they might become maleficarum, and launched exalted marches which have claimed thousands of lives.

 

Also, Morrigan was hunted by Templars as a child. I would say that her scorn is deserved.


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