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[Spicen]

Why am I having deja vu in here?!?!

#herewegoagain

[Spicen]

There's even greater history about templars and the Cantry as a whole being swines not only to the mages, so maybe you should educate yourself first. But it won't help the issue, of course.

Ah i have to do the hard work again. Tevinter Imperium used magic so horrible that there was not to match their evil. They viewed everything as their tools. After their fall, a mage-hunting organisation was out to exterminate mages. The chantry prevented that and signed an accord making those mage hunters the templars. why all the hate for magic? The things the tevinter did got a big imprint in all of thedas. Magic soon become an object of suspicion and same.The memories still linger and preventing another tevinter from rising is their goal. Finally, the chantry arent angels. They did many good things but im sure the orlesian chantry is corrupt but that can be fixed

[fhs33721]

Every character in Dragon Age has their derpy moments.

 

She also saved the Warden's life, nursed him and Alistair back to health, devised a plan to (albeit temporarily) incapacitate Flemeth, stole her Grimoire, unlocked the secrets of the Eluvian, devised a way to imbue her son with the power of a god, and insinuated herself into Empress Celene's inner circle, effectively taking the reins of the most powerful nation in Thedas.

 

Flemeth saved the warden and Morrigan herself admits that it was also flemeth who did most of the healing. The warden (possibly as s/he doesn't even have to do that) stole Flemeths Grimoire. Morrigans plan to incapacitate Flemeth failed almost completly as Flemeth outsmarted her and was already back alive not much after the blight ended.  Futhermore it was again Flemeth that devised the Dark Ritual and after "the masked empire" it is no longer assured that empress celene (and by extension Morrigan) still holds any reins of Orlais.

 

Please note that I don't think Morrigan is dumb. She is definitely smart , but you give her too much credit.

[CrimsonN7]

You know there was once a thread quite some months ago. It criticised BW's decision to make all companions ******(at that time). Then he was barraged with hate posts saying he was homophobic. Moral of the story: It doesnt take much to fan the flames. People can get angry on sths very easily.

 

Sexuality is a delicate subject with some, OP should have seen that one coming. Not that I approve of people getting hate messages for stating their opinions on such matters in a respectable manner. People do tend to jump into defense mode quick in threads such as those from what I've seen true.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Nevarra and Rivain dissaproves.

and all humans barbarians.

 

even Orlais have a secret noble mages, and even Ferelden was ruled by a mage because of imbecile Megren..not talking about redclif ruler(Isolde father/grandfather was a mage) and amarantine Baroness

[Eveangaline]

Oh well then, I guess I'm far too neutral/pacifist for this topic.

 

Although I have played the Dalish origin a few times I never went too extreme, I'm not edgy enough.

 

It's not about being edgy, it's just that I like to play through a bunch of runs and the most extreme choices will get me new routes I haven't seen in previous playthroughs. So by my third time I start going extreme in different directions. I mean what's the point of playing through a bunch of times if you aren't going to see a lot of different content?

[mikeymoonshine]

1)Andraste was a manipulator and conquer who claim herself as wife of the "only and true god", she was never a savior.

 

2)yes, Andraste does not form Orlais Chantry and Templars/Seekers and all what they do, this is all Orlais sh*t and Orlais will answer for their crimes what they do for 1000 years

 

3)they will see how i do not care about them and will be allied with "heretics", non-andrastians, non-shems and mages.

 

1) Your personal opinion on Andraste is irrelevant to the point I made, she is viewed as a savior. I was specifically discussing why you may be viewed as her herald. 

 

2) Again, irrelevant. 

 

3) Why did you even respond? 

[CrimsonN7]

It's not about being edgy, it's just that I like to play through a bunch of runs and the most extreme choices will get me new routes I haven't seen in previous playthroughs. So by my third time I start going extreme in different directions. I mean what's the point of playing through a bunch of times if you aren't going to see a lot of different content?

 

Fair enough. I guess for me on that one playthrough where I went extreme morally questionable with my human noble I abandoned it earlier than I expected to. Didn't enjoy it, so for future moments if I'm curious instead of creating a character just to see those options I youtube it instead. Lazy ftw.

[DeityDi]

and all humans barbarians

 

even Orlais is secretly ruled by some noble mages

"Barbarians, riiight". And elves are savages. And all that still counts as a perfect example and can't be denied.

The second part is just a diamond amongst chantrys lies and hypocrisy. That's what I like the most about them.

 

and even Ferelden was ruled by a mage because of imbecile Megren..not talking about redclif ruler(Isolde father/grandfather was a mage) and amarantine Baroness

 

I know, right? And still they talk.

 

The memories still linger and 

 

...and that perfectly justifies orlesian hypocrisy and absolutely unnecessary violence towards innocent people. 

 

God, I must've caught some justice flu from Anders but this topic is infuriating. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

1) Your personal opinion on Andraste is irrelevant to the point I made, she is viewed as a savior. I was specifically discussing why you may be viewed as her herald. 

 

2) Again, irrelevant. 

 

3) Why did you even respond? 

the main point i make is about total non-andrastian Inquisitor who would be non-shem, mage and pure heretic and who will not care about Orlais people and support dalish, apostages and others groups of people who is not considerate pro-andrastian, pro-Orlais Chantry, and pro-Orlais who is their enemies

 

Orlais people is pro Orlais Chantry and they are andrastians by the Orlais Chantry doctrines and beliefs, for them he would be no more than dangerous mage

 

closing fade is not enought to claim everyone as "heralt of Andraste", it can be understandable if they do this first time but after some actions this will not make sense

[LobselVith8]

In some ways the Dalish are no better then the Tevinter. Among the Dalish the mages are the ruling class and the Keeper word is law unless they turn to blood magic. 

 

Mages having leadership positions in the clan (along with the non-mage hahren) doesn't make the Dalish the same as the Imperium.  That's like saying that Orlais and Ferelden are the same because non-mages rule over everyone in their kingdoms. The Dalish Origin also brought up an example of a Keeper who was refuted because of the decision made by the hahren. The Dalish and Tevinter couldn't be further apart from one another.

 

Now there are bad circles but the Chantry did try to create organisations and ways to prevent it, it's just hard to control isolated communities. At any rate as far as I know there is not a single society in Thedas where mages doesn't rule yet live side by side in peace with the rest.

Having that much power does change things and there needs to be some checks and balance to the system or the mages will simply take over.

 

You're welcome to like the Andrastian Chantry, but that isn't going to change that others don't feel the same way as you do. Some people strongly dislike the Chantry of Andraste and the Chantry controlled Circles; that's not likely to change, and it's always going to be a factor in why some people have no interest in working with the Chantry, for the Chantry, or bearing the title of 'Andraste's Herald'.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Many people hate the Chantry (and by proxy Andraste, because she spawned it) for the same reasons: intolerance.
 
Why is it "absurd" to scorn religion. Sticking to the Dragon Age universe and avoiding its real life counterparts, the Chantry has committed genocide against the Dalish elves, persecuted mages merely because they might become maleficarum, and launched exalted marches which have claimed thousands of lives.
 
Also, Morrigan was hunted by Templars as a child. I would say that her scorn is deserved.

When did the Chantry commit genocide against the Dalish? is my understanding that they asked Orlais to make a place for the elves after the Dales war ended

[frylock23]

Oh, I never said the Chantry is perfect analogue, but it is pretty obvious where it derives its inspiration. The cosmology of Dragon Age is fairly loosely tied into/based off of the cosmologies of Earth.

[Asdrubael Vect]

"Barbarians, riiight". And elves are savages. And all that still counts as a perfect example and can't be denied.

The second part is just a diamond amongst chantrys lies and hypocrisy. That's what I like the most about them.

 

I know, right? And still they talk.

 

...and that perfectly justifies orlesian hypocrisy and absolutely unnecessary violence towards innocent people. 

 

God, I must've caught some justice flu from Anders but this topic is infuriating. 

just need to destroy Orlais Empire(with bards and chivaliers) and their Orlais Chantry/Templars/Seekers and there is no problem..95% of Thedas exept some parts of Orlais and Starheven would be very gratefull

 

the next would be Tammasarants of the Qunari

[TK514]

You're welcome to like the Andrastian Chantry, but that isn't going to change that others don't feel the same way as you do. Some people strongly dislike the Chantry of Andraste and the Chantry controlled Circles; that's not likely to change, and it's always going to be a factor in why some people have no interest in working with the Chantry, for the Chantry, or bearing the title of 'Andraste's Herald'.

 

Sounds like you won't have a choice.  You'll be able to disagree, at least some of the time, but it appears that people will be calling you that, anyway.  For every one you meet and can correct with an "I don't belive in that", there will be more that you never meet and who continue to spread the word.  And then there will be those who intentionally spread the word regardless of your wishes.

 

There would be a certain amusing irony in having a Dalish be the biggest PR boon for the faith of Andraste since Drakon.

[Iakus]

Because it's the first question people ask when they see a new character in DA. "Can we kill them if we don't like them?". Now think of the implications of what that means .

I thought the first question was "can we romance them?"

"Can we kill them?" is the second question 

[Icy Magebane]

Sounds like you won't have a choice.  You'll be able to disagree, at least some of the time, but it appears that people will be calling you that, anyway.  For every one you meet and can correct with an "I don't belive in that", there will be more that you never meet and who continue to spread the word.  And then there will be those who intentionally spread the word regardless of your wishes.

 

There would be a certain amusing irony in having a Dalish be the biggest PR boon for the faith of Andraste since Drakon.

Better yet, a Vashoth, given the Chantry's opposition to the Qun.  If the humans are good at anything, it's exploiting an opportunity when it comes along.

[TK514]

Better yet, a Vashoth, given the Chantry's opposition to the Qun.  If the humans are good at anything, it's exploiting an opportunity when it comes along.

Just so, and that would be fantastic.

 

I can absolutely see someone using your status to push their own agenda.  Wouldn't even have to be someone otherwise distasteful, like Petrice, though she would certainly do it in a heartbeat.

[LobselVith8]

Sounds like you won't have a choice.  You'll be able to disagree, at least some of the time, but it appears that people will be calling you that, anyway.  For every one you meet and can correct with an "I don't belive in that", there will be more that you never meet and who continue to spread the word.  And then there will be those who intentionally spread the word regardless of your wishes.

 

We really don't know whether or not the Inquisitor will have a choice. Laidlaw and Weekes' comment seemed to suggest otherwise to me, but that remains to be seen.

 

There would be a certain amusing irony in having a Dalish be the biggest PR boon for the faith of Andraste since Drakon.

 

You mean people seeing a known follower of another religion, and potentially a mage, as a hero?

[steelfire_dragon]

hate her because her followers backstabbed the elves for a no good reason.

 

 

want to kill her, and relieve my character's self on her cold dead corpse

[katerinafm]

I thought the first question was "can we romance them?"

"Can we kill them?" is the second question 

 

Hahah, yeah, you're right!

[powerXmad]

My inquisitor is a Mage who wants to bring back the power and knowledge of the imperium. So of course he would want to kill andraste. Wow auto correct turned andraste into and taste.

[TK514]

You mean people seeing a known follower of another religion, and potentially a mage, as a hero?

 

Pft.  Please.  Irrelevant.

 

When you're useful:  "See how Andraste finds a use for even the least of the Maker's children!  This poor, heathen savage has been uplifted by Her grace, and given a chance to revere the Maker, in acts if not words, by serving the world He created!"

 

Once you're not:  "See how this heathen blasphemer spits on the grace gifted unto them by the Maker's Bride!  See how they deny all that is good and holy to profane what was best in them!  A thousand flames are too clean a death for this savage and their forsaken people!"

[LOLandStuff]

hate her because her followers backstabbed the elves for a no good reason.

 

 

want to kill her, and relieve my character's self on her cold dead corpse

 

What about that time the elves just sat on their asses and watched humans struggle through a Blight?

Oh, oh...Or how about that time they decided to ditch their elven savior in favor of some jerk gods?

[Steelcan]

What about that time the elves just sat on their asses and watched humans struggle through a Blight?

Oh, oh...Or how about that time they decided to ditch their elven savior in favor of some jerk gods?

or when they attack Orlais