Some people on this forum want to be able to kill anyone and they have no real reason for it. And others seem to believe Thedas should be modeled after western civilization with completely reduced power of the Chantry (religion) to the point some want to completely get rid off it. Andraste is just a figurehead of anti-chantry movement.
People forgot that the Catholic church had a lot of power in Europe for long?
Once you're not: "See how this heathen blasphemer spits on the grace gifted unto them by the Maker's Bride! See how they deny all that is good and holy to profane what was best in them! A thousand flames are too clean a death for this savage and their forsaken people!"
Of course, if the Inquisitor decides to take advantage of their title, they could play this card first... and it could get very ugly.
Just so, and that would be fantastic.
I can absolutely see someone using your status to push their own agenda. Wouldn't even have to be someone otherwise distasteful, like Petrice, though she would certainly do it in a heartbeat.
Funny story.
My second playthrough is going to be a Qunari Warrior, and I intend to play him as zealous a believer in the Chantry as possible. His backstory, assuming I can make it compliant, is that he was raised by Tal-Vashoth. Who, being Qunari, didn't exactly know or understand the concept of 'family' or 'child raising.' He grew up a restless and unsatisfied person, knowing little and standing for nothing least of all conviction. Until one day, his raiding party captured a small traveling party, killing the armed guards and taking the women prisoner. One in particular was bold, uncompromising, and utterly unafraid even in the heart of the Vashoth camp with warriors all around.
It intrigued him, and so he took the guard duty of the prisoners to ask her why, how, she could be so afraid. Her answer? Faith in the Maker. What is faith? Certainty. What was the Maker? The only thing that mattered. Who could it apply to? All.
A dialogue began, her the unshaken instructor and he the student desperate for direction and something better in life. He heard what he would come to believe as Truth, and ended helping her escape and make their way outside of the camp... where a force of Templars was already assembled to attack. A great punishment befell all who remained in that camp- but he, he was forgiven and saved. And so he converted- a dedicated convert forever grateful for the mercy and dispensation of grace he was unworthy of. Even with the slings and arrows of distrust and racism, he knows in his soul he has found a path to salvation.
He will always be grateful to the Chantry, and to that one sister in particular- someone who was such a brave and true believer and one who was willing to accept and shepard him to a more righteous path even in the den of her enemies.
Her name? Petrice.
Funny story.
My second playthrough is going to be a Qunari Warrior, and I intend to play him as zealous a believer in the Chantry as possible. His backstory, assuming I can make it compliant, is that he was raised by Tal-Vashoth. Who, being Qunari, didn't exactly know or understand the concept of 'family' or 'child raising.' He grew up a restless and unsatisfied person, knowing little and standing for nothing least of all conviction. Until one day, his raiding party captured a small traveling party, killing the armed guards and taking the women prisoner. One in particular was bold, uncompromising, and utterly unafraid even in the heart of the Vashoth camp with warriors all around.
It intrigued him, and so he took the guard duty of the prisoners to ask her why, how, she could be so afraid. Her answer? Faith in the Maker. What is faith? Certainty. What was the Maker? The only thing that mattered. Who could it apply to? All.
A dialogue began, her the unshaken instructor and he the student desperate for direction and something better in life. He heard what he would come to believe as Truth, and ended helping her escape and make their way outside of the camp... where a force of Templars was already assembled to attack. A great punishment befell all who remained in that camp- but he, he was forgiven and saved. And so he converted- a dedicated convert forever grateful for the mercy and dispensation of grace he was unworthy of. Even with the slings and arrows of distrust and racism, he knows in his soul he has found a path to salvation.
He will always be grateful to the Chantry, and to that one sister in particular- someone who was such a brave and true believer and one who was willing to accept and shepard him to a more righteous path even in the den of her enemies.
Her name? Petrice.
o.o ...I love you.
What does that even mean?
not you 
...
I mean the character, when you come to the circle for example she argues that you should destroy it, even if it will make you side with the templars (she also regrets about it when you found the imprisioned one) or when she deliberally sents you to kill Flemeth knowing that it's useless in advance... Morrigan has many attributes but not cleaverness.
As i remind in my runs of Dwarven Noble Origin, both of the Hardened Morelos (male) and Sweet Sereda (female) became attached to the chantry as soon as they were in Ostagar... Lelianna made them more Andastrians by her views on the maker (and yet both of them end in love with her, however Morelos turned to be a foot fetishist or he would be not be able to romance her... Morelos had prelude, Sereda not). So I'm willing to see that Qunari of yours, hope he could find out Sereda and Lelianna.
Her name? Petrice.
Great story. The only poblem I see is that we don't know what kind of backstories the Inquisitor will have. If they are modeled after Shepard's backgrounds in ME, there will be limits.
I like Tevinter, so I hate Andraste.
You realize that Tevinter now is Andrastian, don't you?
Great story. The only poblem I see is that we don't know what kind of backstories the Inquisitor will have. If they are modeled after Shepard's backgrounds in ME, there will be limits.
Have you forgotten who you're talking to?
I invented the 'Shepard was always a Cerberus Agent' role play.
You realize that Tevinter now is Andrastian, don't you?
Eh. Doctrinally it's significantly different- primarily in that it doesn't revere Andraste in the same way the White Chantry does. Depending on how you define it, Andrastianism could be more akin to Catholocism as a specific religion than Christianity as a common umbrella.
As i remind in my runs of Dwarven Noble Origin, both of the Hardened Morelos (male) and Sweet Sereda (female) became attached to the chantry as soon as they were in Ostagar... Lelianna made them more Andastrians by her views on the maker (and yet both of them end in love with her, however Morelos turned to be a foot fetishist or he would be not be able to romance her... Morelos had prelude, Sereda not). So I'm willing to see that Qunari of yours, hope he could find out Sereda and Lelianna.
I'll be even more amused when he finds Hawke.
Depending on what your available interactions with Hawke are, I'll decide the Keep state for the Qunquisitor based on how adversarial I could make the two.
You realize that Tevinter now is Andrastian, don't you?
I like Tevinter, so I hate Andraste.
The current Tevinter is as Andrastian as the other nations. They kill and enslave in the name of the maker now!
I don't really see people hating on Andraste all that much. More like they are hating on the Chantry which does have it's flaws.
The current Tevinter is as Andrastian as the other nations. They kill and enslave in the name of the maker now!
Have you forgotten who you're talking to?
I invented the 'Shepard was always a Cerberus Agent' role play.
That was a very interesting reading. Still not convinced at all with the Sole Survivor, especially after ME3, but I could see it happening very easily with the other backgrounds. Until ME3, I suppose. But this is not the right forum to start talking about ME 
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Eh. Doctrinally it's significantly different- primarily in that it doesn't revere Andraste in the same way the White Chantry does. Depending on how you define it, Andrastianism could be more akin to Catholocism as a specific religion than Christianity as a common umbrella.
What the Imperial Chantry says about Andraste and her nature (divine for the Orlesian Chantry, non-divine for the Imperial Chantry) is not very different from the theological differences in early Christianism. The nature of Christ was a matter of heated debates. We are used to the trinitarian definition of Christ , because that's what is used by the Catholic, Orthodox and most Protestant Churches, but nontrinitarianism exists too.
It's a nice paralel. Of course, I don't expect Bioware to dwell too much on theology, so for now the Imperial Chantry's view on Andraste seems more similar to Islam's view on Jesus or the theological differences about the Virgin Mary between Catholics and non-Catholics.
Still, saying that the first organized form of Andrastianism can't be considered Andrastianism based on the teachings of another organized form that appeared more than a century later sounds suspiciously similar to the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Still, saying that the first organized form of Andrastianism can't be considered Andrastianism based on the teachings of another organized form that appeared more than a century later sounds suspiciously similar to the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Not really. More just a question of categorization.
The No True Scotsman fallacy is when pre-established definitions are selectively redefined for the purpose of positions that the original definition wouldn't necessarily support or imply. The Scotsman as a person from Scotland, as opposed to claiming a 'true' Scotsman must also believe X, Y, and Z.
That's a fallacy when applied to categories that don't imply belief, but not when categorizing beliefs themselves. Belief systems are identified and defined by their beliefs, so a deviant who doesn't follow the categorical definition would not, in fact, be part of the category. One of the defining aspects of Catholocism, for example, is following the Pope: if you refute the pope, you generally wouldn't be considered a true catholic.
Andrastianism has no agreed upon definition. In fact, it's not even a canonical term- it's an invention of the fanbase to talk about a religion- and usually the religion of the White Divine.
There is no agreed upon fan definition of what Andrastianism is, so asking if the Tevinter Religion should be considered as such is a pretty reasonable question. When the dominant distinguishing factor of Southern Thedas is the reverence of Andraste, and Tevinter's religion has none of the same emphasis or devotion to the person, would it really count as being considered Andrastianism, as opposed to 'Maker-worship' or some other name that distinguishes Tevinter from the Andraste-loving South?
Andrastians follow the Chant of Light, which is the teaching/song of Andraste. Whether it is only her song(s), or her song(s) plus some others I don't know.
Those who followed the Maker before the Old Gods likely won't be called Andrastians. The Cult of the Maker grew with the (sort of) fall of Tevinter, but whether they focused on Andraste's teachings or not I'm not sure is stated, however Drakon brought it all together with the Chant of Light and the focus on Andraste as their savior and mediator (since the Maker left again).
So, with that in mind, my guess is that Tevinter would still be called Andrastian as they follow the teachings of Andraste, even if they don't worship her. They still revere her, just not worship... kind of like Mary in Catholicism. Religious groups do name themselves after their founders/teachers, so I don't see any issue calling the Imperial Chantry Andrastian.
Guest_Doctor Whom_*
It's hip to hate on religions, even fictional ones.
This post has so many likes it makes me sad. It's not hip to question silly, harmful superstition. It's rational.
I dislike her because she's a charlatan. She convinces a bunch of barbarians that there's an invisible man that made everything and that she's just so hot that he ties the knot with her. Also I happen to like Tevinter so I'm not a big fan of her trying to destroy Tevinter.
Down boy.
No one wants my love 
I'm like a slightly better looking, more popular Liara!
I don't hate Andraste. She accomplished a lot. She led a rebellion and toppled the power structure of one of the most powerful nations of Thedas, freed the slaves, and allowed southen Thedas to build up its own culture by their own terms in independent nations.
I simply question on an academic level if everything she did is as the Chantry teaches with the aid of the supernatural/Maker, or was there more magical aid that no one wants to acknowledge.
Guest_Faerunner_*
It's probably her fan club people are annoyed with. (A.k.a. Devout Andrastians, particularly the corrupt and/or hypocritical ones.)
I don't think its hating on Andraste but the Chantry that came from her actions and what it has morphed into now.
pretty much this. like alot of what happens in real life. people take things and use it to further there agenda. plus hating on any religion to some people is cool. I don't agree just saying.
Funny story.
My second playthrough is going to be a Qunari Warrior, and I intend to play him as zealous a believer in the Chantry as possible. His backstory, assuming I can make it compliant, is that he was raised by Tal-Vashoth. Who, being Qunari, didn't exactly know or understand the concept of 'family' or 'child raising.' He grew up a restless and unsatisfied person, knowing little and standing for nothing least of all conviction. Until one day, his raiding party captured a small traveling party, killing the armed guards and taking the women prisoner. One in particular was bold, uncompromising, and utterly unafraid even in the heart of the Vashoth camp with warriors all around.
It intrigued him, and so he took the guard duty of the prisoners to ask her why, how, she could be so afraid. Her answer? Faith in the Maker. What is faith? Certainty. What was the Maker? The only thing that mattered. Who could it apply to? All.
A dialogue began, her the unshaken instructor and he the student desperate for direction and something better in life. He heard what he would come to believe as Truth, and ended helping her escape and make their way outside of the camp... where a force of Templars was already assembled to attack. A great punishment befell all who remained in that camp- but he, he was forgiven and saved. And so he converted- a dedicated convert forever grateful for the mercy and dispensation of grace he was unworthy of. Even with the slings and arrows of distrust and racism, he knows in his soul he has found a path to salvation.
He will always be grateful to the Chantry, and to that one sister in particular- someone who was such a brave and true believer and one who was willing to accept and shepard him to a more righteous path even in the den of her enemies.
Her name? Petrice.
That is a funny story.
I like how you're going to roleplay it. You know, I would absolutely watch it if you filmed it for a Let's Play video and simply roleplayed it with character thoughts and such.
Not sure I'd go that route, but I like the concept.
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