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[Dantrag]

For some reason, Bioware left out the token bearded axe wielding dwarf that every RPG should have. I like Oghren in DAO, he was the perfect companion where as Sten was very dull and hard to please. I don't like this new dwarf Bioware has pushed on us, he just isn't dwarfy enough and he's a gentleman to, which violates token dwarf conduct.

[animedreamer]

While I do like Varric, as you mentioned Oghren was great fun to have around, Steve Blum really sold that performance as Oghren and kind of stole the show whenever he began conversing with other characters. If Oghren were more of a tank than DPS I'd have had him with me all the time. 

[The Night Haunter]

I actually really disliked Oghren. And avoiding tropes is good. Having something simply for the sake of having a trope is rarely a good idea.

[Dantrag]

I actually really disliked Oghren. And avoiding tropes is good. Having something simply for the sake of having a trope is rarely a good idea.

[Dantrag]

I disagree.

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

Yeah, Oghren wasn't bad but he and I just never really clicked.  He was too tropey, and made too many crude jokes.  Sorry, but not sorry - I'm glad he isn't back.  

[Puppy Love]

I didn't like Oghren...  which I know a lot of people will disagree with.  I mean I enjoyed some of his scenes, but I hated what he represented.  When dragon age first was announced and they discussed their new takes on the races and being more than just the cliche we've been fed, I found myself fascinated by the dwarven culture.  I really enjoyed the game's take on them, and was really interested in them and their culture.

 

Then I get Oghren who was a caricature of ever bad dwarven trope, needless to say, I was very disheartened.

 

It's not that Oghren wasn't funny, it's not that Oghren didn't have his interesting moments.  It's that he was more of the same when it was insinuated we'd be seeing the races in a different light. 

 

It may just be me, but his inclusion for all his humor and interesting moments, just saddened me in what opportunity I felt was lost by his inclusion.

[Zatche]

I'd take Sten over Oghren any day. Oghren's humor grew stale like cheap beer. Sten's dry wit aged like fine wine. 

[Puppy Love]

I loved Sten!!!!!

[Ivory.]

Thank god for that too

 

I hated Oghren 

[Dantrag]

I'm not really seeing why Oghren was disliked so much by you guys, was it the typical dwarf stereotype or if your feelings were hurt by him. The whole Orzamar story was the best part of DAO and I thought Oghren fit into his role perfectly.

[dekarserverbot]

but have you seen his background? not only that but EVERY OTHER DWARF is completely diferent. I trend to relate "DAO Dwarven culture" to Japanese feudal culture with aztec arquitecture. Oghren even says that he knows he is barely a dwarf anymore, if it's full of dwarven cliches is because it was meant to act like that.

Just see how both Legion of the Dead and Ronins have similitudes, the caste system and highly sense of honor plus demi bushido dwarven warriors (which oghren failed to be when Branka left.) makes them not like any dwarf i have seen before. Probably these are as different as Snowhite parody "barbarian dwarfs" than any other dwarf. Also they don't seem to hunt you because you messed with one dwarf, you are free to threat any surfacer and still look equal to them.

I can't understand why do you defend the emo attitude that Anders aquired in DA2 and still dislike Oghren for being "too dwarvish"

[frylock23]

Yep, I disliked Oghren. He was just obnoxious. He was bad enough that he was one of the reason I turned off DA:A. Of all the companions I had to have back ... why him?

 

I am very fond of Varric, so I am pleased we're getting him back.

[DaySeeker]

Oghren was just liquid crude.  Fart jokes, drinking, and girl sex.  It was just uber male stereotype. He offended every companion and foisted himself onto the party.  There was a bit of humanity underneath, but it was completely abandoned in Awakening and never was enough to lift him out of walking gasbag/punchline. 

[Bugsie]

I read somewhere that several people wrote his character, hence his character arc was so disjointed.  He was lecherous, to the point of disgusting and his interaction with mages, like Wynne, Velanna and Anders came across as plain nasty.  Whenever I had him in my party (in Awakenings) I tried to avoid listening to the companion banter, it was just blergh.  I didn't take him anywhere in DA:O unless I had to, but I have to admit, he was a useful companion in battle. 

 

There were glimmers of a greater character underneath, but it never went anywhere.

[The Hierophant]

I like Ohgren. I always thought that Ohgren told those jokes to hide his insecurties that his Clan's abandonment had created. The same insecurties at being a part of a family that led him to abandon Felsi and the baby. I find his regret heartwarming and always convince him to be a family man in Awakening.

[Nefla]

Oghren was a parody of the typical bloodthirsty drunken dwarf you see in every fantasy story. However dwarf society in Thedas is not like in other stories so his behavior is unacceptable and thus he's treated as a pariah.

[Puppy Love]

Oghren was a parody of the typical bloodthirsty drunken dwarf you see in every fantasy story. However dwarf society in Thedas is not like in other stories so his behavior is unacceptable and thus he's treated as a pariah.

 

I have no problem with that, and appreciate that.  I however do not want a parody of all the things that annoyed me about how dwarves were portrayed before in my party as what is essentially the dwarf representative.  Which as our party member he kind of is by default since he's who we talk to the most that's a dwarf.  I want to learn and talk about dwarven culture, I get fart jokes instead.

[Nefla]

I have no problem with that, and appreciate that.  I however do not want a parody of all the things that annoyed me about how dwarves were portrayed before in my party as what is essentially the dwarf representative.  Which as our party member he kind of is by default since he's who we talk to the most that's a dwarf.  I want to learn and talk about dwarven culture, I get fart jokes instead.

I didn't mean that we should have more of that, I was just explaining why he was the only stereotypical dwarf in the game.

[Chernaya]

One Oghren is enough for me. I didn't exactly hate him, but a walking stereotype isn't what I want every single time for every character/companion. I much prefer Varric.

[animedreamer]

I didn't like Oghren...  which I know a lot of people will disagree with.  I mean I enjoyed some of his scenes, but I hated what he represented.  When dragon age first was announced and they discussed their new takes on the races and being more than just the cliche we've been fed, I found myself fascinated by the dwarven culture.  I really enjoyed the game's take on them, and was really interested in them and their culture.

 

Then I get Oghren who was a caricature of ever bad dwarven trope, needless to say, I was very disheartened.

 

It's not that Oghren wasn't funny, it's not that Oghren didn't have his interesting moments.  It's that he was more of the same when it was insinuated we'd be seeing the races in a different light. 

 

It may just be me, but his inclusion for all his humor and interesting moments, just saddened me in what opportunity I felt was lost by his inclusion.

 

But Oghren was the only person in the entirety of Orzammar that was like that, and I think that was the point of his character, he didn't fit in even among his own kinsmen. Yes he was a trope of all the silly, crazy outlandish things dwarves are generally made out to be, then multiplied by a factor of 9, but in the same vein that's what also made him lovable. He was just a very easy character to get along with, feed him drinks, and listen to him passively aggressively complain or ask for help and thats it. Also how can you not like his farewell speech during the final assault/push? In my opinion I don't think any other character in origin was more bro worthy than Oghren.

[Dantrag]

But Oghren was the only person in the entirety of Orzammar that was like that, and I think that was the point of his character, he didn't fit in even among his own kinsmen. Yes he was a trope of all the silly, crazy outlandish things dwarves are generally made out to be, then multiplied by a factor of 9, but in the same vein that's what also made him lovable. He was just a very easy character to get along with, feed him drinks, and listen to him passively aggressively complain or ask for help and thats it. Also how can you not like his farewell speech during the final assault/push? In my opinion I don't think any other character in origin was more bro worthy than Oghren.

[Dantrag]

Absolutely right. Oghren was a real bro any dude who thinks otherwise can go back to Zevran's tent.

[StabbityRabbit]

But Oghren was the only person in the entirety of Orzammar that was like that, and I think that was the point of his character, he didn't fit in even among his own kinsmen. Yes he was a trope of all the silly, crazy outlandish things dwarves are generally made out to be, then multiplied by a factor of 9, but in the same vein that's what also made him lovable. He was just a very easy character to get along with, feed him drinks, and listen to him passively aggressively complain or ask for help and thats it. Also how can you not like his farewell speech during the final assault/push? In my opinion I don't think any other character in origin was more bro worthy than Oghren.

Sten is way more bro worthy than Oghren anyday. I'd rather have my snark buddy next to me in battle than a drunk who's as like to hit the enemy as he is pass out anyway.

[Zatche]

But Oghren was the only person in the entirety of Orzammar that was like that, and I think that was the point of his character, he didn't fit in even among his own kinsmen. Yes he was a trope of all the silly, crazy outlandish things dwarves are generally made out to be, then multiplied by a factor of 9, but in the same vein that's what also made him lovable. He was just a very easy character to get along with, feed him drinks, and listen to him passively aggressively complain or ask for help and thats it. Also how can you not like his farewell speech during the final assault/push? In my opinion I don't think any other character in origin was more bro worthy than Oghren.

 

Fair enough. I suppose the idea that he doesn't actually fit in with the rest of the dwarves makes him a good deconstruction of the stereotype. I enjoyed him well enough at first, but I never found myself wanting to bring him any missions after the first playthrough. I liked Sten's speech better as it showed he finally respected you.

 

Absolutely right. Oghren was a real bro any dude who thinks otherwise can go back to Zevran's tent.

 

How about we don't call people we disagree with gay as a means to insult them?