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[Lost Mercenary]

With DA: Inquisition now on the horizon I recently did a full replay of DA:O and Awakening with the intention of then proceeding onward with DA2. I did the first two exactly how I wanted them to get the full experience fresh in my mind and was then getting ready to move on to DA2 when... I hit a bit of a personal, sorta, kinda moral (for lack of a better term) dilemma. I suddenly realised both my protagonists were male human warriors and the for the most part were full paragons. Yes I love stealing Mass Effect terms   Basically they were the same guy with little to no diversity and DA:I will probably go the same way. In hindsight it was seeming kind of samey and boring that the characters were not unique to each other.

 

So I was sitting at the character creation screen for DA2 and I began to ponder. Should I try something new for my cannon DA2 playthrough? Have my main Hawke be a female rogue or mage instead and be a completely sarcastic git to boot? Should I replace my Kirkwall Jesus for the Kirkwall Fem Captain Reynolds? Now I'm no stranger to playing different Hawke's or Warden's. Must have 12 of each on my belt as a DA fan and they have all been insanely fun for the most part (bollocks to you Carver!) but my dilemma is this...

 

Should I change my original canon playthrough? The one I first played and whose choices and outcomes have stuck with me for all these years? Or I should I be bold and try a new Hawke instead for my main story that will carry over to DA:I?

 

I honestly am stuck here and am swinging from both camps continuously, so I put it out there to you guys? What do you think I should do?

[Dabrikishaw]

Why not make multiple saves?

[MagicalMaster]

Keep in mind that DA:I has the Keep, you don't import previous saves.  You can start as anything you want in DA:I with any backstory.

[congokong]

As mentioned, The Keep will make your current import crisis rather redundant. That being said, I find pure paragons in ME and DA to be a real snooze. Save Redcliffe, save both Connor and Isolde, preserve the ashes, save the Circle, break the werewolf curse, destroy the anvil, etc. Yawn. My DA:O character was more on the paragon side but I made decisions not influenced by meta-gaming. Ex: I had Isolde sacrifice herself because there was no way in hell I'd leave that abomination in the castle when corpses are rising in the other room. I also let Morrigan talk my pc into keeping the anvil even though it cost Shale. Things like that.

 

What I liked was how despite being distant cousins my DA:O and DA2 characters were completely different people; paragon and renegade respectively. Both were female human mages but their similarities largely ended there. My Amell was a young woman who was initially rather innocent, naive and polite, but was forced to be aggressive when necessary like when people tried to kill her. Hawke however was always aggressive; a plus being that she got to side with Petrice (she hated qunari after being attacked by qunari just for being a mage and witnessing a Sarebas kill himself for being an outside mage). My Amell was a straight romantic while my Hawke was a bisexual who wasn't opposed to casual sex. My Amell, despite wishing she wasn't locked for most of her life, understood the Chantry's side and wasn't angry about it but rather a little sad. Hawke was angry about being forced to hide all her life, and while more concerned for her own self interest, was willing to aid the mages to the point that she wouldn't execute Anders and was rather indifferent to seeing the Chantry blown up.

[Lost Mercenary]

Why not make multiple saves?

 

Mostly because I don't want to play through twice and I want to have only the one "perfect" playthrough before DA:I.

 

I am aware that the Keep must make this whole thing seem sort of ridiculous but its all about the personal experience for me. I want those choices and outcomes fresh in my mind and not just text on a screen.

[Jukaga]

It seems to me that Hawke is 'supposed' to be a sarcastic female mage, it seems to fit the best at least for me. The Warden is always a human male for me (be that mage, rogue or warrior) and the Champion is always a female. I played Hawke as a TH warrior first but with their family history and the mage vs templar theme of DA2, mage just screams out as obvious.

 

Is there any word on when we can start messing around with the Keep?

[congokong]

@Jukaga

 

I can certainly see Hawke meant to be a mage but why is Hawke supposed to be a female and sarcastic? I tend to assume that Bioware's ideal pc is what they use in promos and such like Commander Shepard being the male default in Mass Effect. In DA2's case I'd assume Hawke was meant to be a male mage who romanced Isabela from the game's trailer. It does fit well by giving her better motivation to return with the qunari relic and Hawke dueling the Arishok for her. It was certainly romantic although that's greatly hindered by no after-duel kiss and Isabela abruptly leaving for 3 years with no real dialogue in Act 3 about it but DA2 sucked in the romance department.

[Jukaga]

@Jukaga

 

I can certainly see Hawke meant to be a mage but why is Hawke supposed to be a female and sarcastic? I tend to assume that Bioware's ideal pc is what they use in promos and such like Commander Shepard being the male default in Mass Effect. In DA2's case I'd assume Hawke was meant to be a male mage who romanced Isabela from the game's trailer. It does fit well by giving her better motivation to return with the qunari relic and Hawke dueling the Arishok for her. It was certainly romantic although that's greatly hindered by no after-duel kiss and Isabela abruptly leaving for 3 years with no real dialogue in Act 3 about it but DA2 sucked in the romance department.

Honestly I can't give you a good reason beyond the fact that the VA for ladyhawke knocked it out of the park, especially when played sarcastic. I could butter my bread with that voice.

[congokong]

Honestly I can't give you a good reason beyond the fact that the VA for ladyhawke knocked it out of the park, especially when played sarcastic. I could butter my bread with that voice.

Don't get me wrong, I much prefer femHawke's voice over maleHawke's. The same with Jennifer Hale in the Mass Effect series. I also tend to connect better with female characters in Bioware games for some reason. I've never finished DA2 as a male. But that doesn't mean Hawke is meant to be female. I'm actually curious what gender the majority of players use as most promo material uses male characters in DA and Mass Effect.

 

As for being sarcastic, despite there being many funny 1-liners I get irritated by Hawke smiling all time. It also doesn't come across as real considering the life-threatening situations he/she is constantly dealing with. And I wish they actually mentioned this excellent role-playing aspect in-game. On my first playthrough I didn't even know about this and eventually decided my character would be witty. But at that point her personality was "set" to boring diplomatic because that first dialogue you make cements your personality and its hard to break from it.

[tirnoney]

Don't get me wrong, I much prefer femHawke's voice over maleHawke's. The same with Jennifer Hale in the Mass Effect series. I also tend to connect better with female characters in Bioware games for some reason. I've never finished DA2 as a male. But that doesn't mean Hawke is meant to be female. I'm actually curious what gender the majority of players use as most promo material uses male characters in DA and Mass Effect.

As for being sarcastic, despite there being many funny 1-liners I get irritated by Hawke smiling all time. It also doesn't come across as real considering the life-threatening situations he/she is constantly dealing with. And I wish they actually mentioned this excellent role-playing aspect in-game. On my first playthrough I didn't even know about this and eventually decided my character would be witty. But at that point her personality was "set" to boring diplomatic because that first dialogue you make cements your personality and its hard to break from it.

Have you seen the recent trailers for Inquisition? I don't know if there's a cannon Hawke or if Bioware is just trying to show a range of possible Hawkes. I would say though that the DA2 storyline feels more relevant if Hawke is a mage.

As for sarcastic Hawke, both that personality and aggressive Hawke seem the most realistic to me. As Leandra says in Legacy "Just like your father, taming the shadows with questionable wit." Perhaps it's because sarcastic Hawke is closest to my own personality. For many people the only way to deal with tragedy, and I speak from personal experience, is to make light of it even to the point of seeming inappropriate. Diplomatic Hawke is much harder for me to understand given her background and experiences.

[MissMayhem96]

FemHawke mage seems to (me) be the canon choice, but that may be because of her appearance in the Enemy of Thedas trailer. Bioware could have used Garrett Hawke and some other female Warden character beside him, and since that warden isn't the Hero of fereldan it makes me wonder if that warden is apart of the story.

[Jukaga]

As for being sarcastic, despite there being many funny 1-liners I get irritated by Hawke smiling all time. It also doesn't come across as real considering the life-threatening situations he/she is constantly dealing with. And I wish they actually mentioned this excellent role-playing aspect in-game. On my first playthrough I didn't even know about this and eventually decided my character would be witty. But at that point her personality was "set" to boring diplomatic because that first dialogue you make cements your personality and its hard to break from it.

 

I like the trollish nature of sarcastic Hawke, some of the NPCs get really frustrated with your flippant attitude. The combination of a wrecking ball that Gets Sh*t Done and a personality that mocks everything, especially when in life threatening situation just hits the mark for me.

[Ferretinabun]

DA2 as a mage utterly confuses me. It makes no sense at all that you can wander around, throwing spells everywhere for at least five years (I can KINDOF accept they'll let it slide when you're the Champion, but certainly not before) and no Templars come round to arrest you. There are certain quests where you fight directly in front of Templars, and they don't so much as question you. There are certain parts of my DA2 playthrough where I wouldn't even have any mages in my party because doing so would have caused a massive immersion crash.

 

But back on topic, I do understand where OP is coming from. I would certainly be tempted to change it up - I'm embarrassed enough that my Warden and Hawke are both male rogues, even though one is human and the other is a dwarf. Take advantage of the ability to mix up your protagonist a bit, I say.

[congokong]

I like the trollish nature of sarcastic Hawke, some of the NPCs get really frustrated with your flippant attitude. The combination of a wrecking ball that Gets Sh*t Done and a personality that mocks everything, especially when in life threatening situation just hits the mark for me.

I know sarcastic Hawke has its merits but as I said it often doesn't feel real. It's like Hawke treats everything as a game when they're joking around all the time grinning like they know they're untouchable. Aggressive Hawke seems the most realistic as they respond to situations, usually negative ones, in a typical way. Diplomatic Hawke is bland who keeps their **** together a little too well considering everything that happens. And the goodie good attitude doesn't fit very well with a background that reminds me a little of the GTA series. Hawke is forced to do many shady things. You get this right from arriving in Kirkwall when you either become a hitman or something like a smuggler.

 

I also enjoyed the perks of being aggressive more; my favorite being flinging the murder knife into the qunari delegate in Offered and Lost. To each their own though.

[themikefest]

Only you can answer that question, but I believe you already know the answer.

 

If it was me I would have different Hawkes to use for DAI. My favorite is a female sarcastic mage who supports the Templars

[TheEternalStudent]

With DA: Inquisition now on the horizon I recently did a full replay of DA:O and Awakening with the intention of then proceeding onward with DA2. I did the first two exactly how I wanted them to get the full experience fresh in my mind and was then getting ready to move on to DA2 when... I hit a bit of a personal, sorta, kinda moral (for lack of a better term) dilemma. I suddenly realised both my protagonists were male human warriors and the for the most part were full paragons. Yes I love stealing Mass Effect terms   Basically they were the same guy with little to no diversity and DA:I will probably go the same way. In hindsight it was seeming kind of samey and boring that the characters were not unique to each other.

 

So I was sitting at the character creation screen for DA2 and I began to ponder. Should I try something new for my cannon DA2 playthrough? Have my main Hawke be a female rogue or mage instead and be a completely sarcastic git to boot? Should I replace my Kirkwall Jesus for the Kirkwall Fem Captain Reynolds? Now I'm no stranger to playing different Hawke's or Warden's. Must have 12 of each on my belt as a DA fan and they have all been insanely fun for the most part (bollocks to you Carver!) but my dilemma is this...

 

Should I change my original canon playthrough? The one I first played and whose choices and outcomes have stuck with me for all these years? Or I should I be bold and try a new Hawke instead for my main story that will carry over to DA:I?

 

I honestly am stuck here and am swinging from both camps continuously, so I put it out there to you guys? What do you think I should do?

I'd say stick with it, there's great value I feel in having to feel the result of YOUR choices, not the ones you can make with the benefit of hindsight and foresight. What you chose in the moment.

[Lost Mercenary]

DA2 as a mage utterly confuses me. It makes no sense at all that you can wander around, throwing spells everywhere for at least five years (I can KINDOF accept they'll let it slide when you're the Champion, but certainly not before) and no Templars come round to arrest you. There are certain quests where you fight directly in front of Templars, and they don't so much as question you. 

 

This always bugged me as well. If I do change my Hawke it won't be as a mage. Just makes no damn sense how Hawke could get away with it for 7 damn years.

[tirnoney]

This always bugged me as well. If I do change my Hawke it won't be as a mage. Just makes no damn sense how Hawke could get away with it for 7 damn years.

I have a headcannon for that but it's one I wish I'd come up with for my first mage playthrough. Anyway, I make Hawke a blood mage. No one takes notice because she uses mind control to make them forget what they saw. It's not powerful enough to work long term, so although she can hide her blood magic use from her companions after a particular battle, it's not strong enough over the course of seven years to persuade companions to like her without putting in the work to befriend them. It works up until she meets Meredith towards the end of Act 2 and finds that she has too much mental discipline to be controlled. She is all geared up to leave Kirkwall after the battle but then she becomes champion and Meredith no longer has the clout to lock her up.

It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than avoiding playing mages altogether considering their relevance to the story and so on.

[MagicalMaster]

DA2 as a mage utterly confuses me. It makes no sense at all that you can wander around, throwing spells everywhere for at least five years (I can KINDOF accept they'll let it slide when you're the Champion, but certainly not before) and no Templars come round to arrest you.

 

This seems to be a reasonable explanation for the most part.

[KaiserShep]

I know sarcastic Hawke has its merits but as I said it often doesn't feel real. It's like Hawke treats everything as a game when they're joking around all the time grinning like they know they're untouchable. Aggressive Hawke seems the most realistic as they respond to situations, usually negative ones, in a typical way. Diplomatic Hawke is bland who keeps their **** together a little too well considering everything that happens. And the goodie good attitude doesn't fit very well with a background that reminds me a little of the GTA series. Hawke is forced to do many shady things. You get this right from arriving in Kirkwall when you either become a hitman or something like a smuggler.

 

I also enjoyed the perks of being aggressive more; my favorite being flinging the murder knife into the qunari delegate in Offered and Lost. To each their own though.

 

Like most things, I suppose it's a matter of perspective. As one who is often flippant and deflects with humor whenever the opportunity presents itself, sarcastic Hawke really speaks to me, whereas the other two personalities only leave me sour. As for the qunari delegate, I couldn't really pay much attention to him, because I was just itching oh so badly to put a knife in Ser Varnell finally. Everything from his voice to his haircut was just screaming "Kill me please".

 

Personally, I like flinging the murder knife when it's most amusing, like that slaver that had Feynriel hostage. The whole effect of just tossing the knife when he thought he was in an advantageous position was priceless! Thankfully, this option is not exclusive to the aggressive personality, though mages are left out of the fun.

[congokong]

Like most things, I suppose it's a matter of perspective. As one who is often flippant and deflects with humor whenever the opportunity presents itself, sarcastic Hawke really speaks to me, whereas the other two personalities only leave me sour. As for the qunari delegate, I couldn't really pay much attention to him, because I was just itching oh so badly to put a knife in Ser Varnell finally. Everything from his voice to his haircut was just screaming "Kill me please".

 

Personally, I like flinging the murder knife when it's most amusing, like that slaver that had Feynriel hostage. The whole effect of just tossing the knife when he thought he was in an advantageous position was priceless! Thankfully, this option is not exclusive to the aggressive personality, though mages are left out of the fun.

Witty Hawke can be really inappropriate at times like when Leandra has been turned into the Bride of Frankenstein.

 

"Mother always knew me best."

 

Seriously? This man has just kidnapped, experimented on, and killed (sort of) your mother and you're making witty comments?!

 

Aggressive Hawke responds realistically.

 

"You bastard! I'm going to kill you!"

 

Eh, but as you said, you identify with a character who grins a lot and deflects things with humor. I don't. In real life I'm blunt and direct but not typically aggressive, yet that behavior is closest to aggressive Hawke so that's partially why I like it. That and the realism.

 

As for Varnell, I hate the qunari more; plain and simple. My mage Hawkes hate the qunari even more than I do. And sadly, only rogue Hawke can kill the slaver with the murder knife to save Feynriel. Too bad Feynriel responds as if you simply refused to negotiate.

[Lost Mercenary]

Well I made my choice.

 

I'm sorta compromising. I'm keeping the Warrior class, keeping my major decisions from my 1st playthrough intact but now I'm going with Female Sarcastic Hawke. Hoping to have the best of both options this way

 

Now if you'll kindly excuse me. Lothering is burning down to the ground and I gotta leg it!