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[Chiramu]

One thing about that spirit that I think of since Asunder. Why does the spirit call itself, "Cole"? Has it forgotten its' name? Has the spirit forgotten that its' a spirit? 

 

Its' been in Cole for a long time now, why doesn't it want to go back to the Fade? Do spirits have friends?

 

A spirit wanting to call itself by another name is a little bit odd, and the spirit hasn't introduced itself as anything other than "Cole" to us. In Asunder there was no revelation on the spirits' side about what it remembers about itself (Rhys would have had some thoughts but did the spirit itself know?), there was only Coles' back story. 

 

I want to help the spirit back into the Fade myself or at least help it remember its' name.

[Maria Caliban]

Do spirits have friends?

Cole is forever alone.

[thats1evildude]

As far as I can tell, spirits don't have names - only titles.

[Chernaya]

I haven't read Asunder, so I probably don't have much merit behind my guesses, but perhaps with all the different kinds of spirits in the DA universe, there are types that can experience and understand emotions similarly to how humans do, or at least learn... and maybe they did it to fit in, or they got attached to the world outside the fade. Cole just seems to be unique from most of the spirits we've encountered so far in that respect. I remember Justice acted quite inhuman, but Cole seems to have more emotion behind his voice.

[Hellion Rex]

Cole might have an edge compared to other spirits because he seems to have absorbed the memories of the original boy he comforted.

[Master Warder Z_]

Cole might have an edge compared to other spirits because he seems to have absorbed the memories of the original boy he comforted.

 

Possessed and twisted and into an abomination you mean, corpse or living the results the same.

 

Although to answer the OP's desire?

 

Killing the Host banishes the demon back to the fade in most cases.

 

that's me, helpful.

[Urazz]

Cole might have an edge compared to other spirits because he seems to have absorbed the memories of the original boy he comforted.

Yeah, I'm wondering if somehow Cole became a sort of spirit abomination who accidentally absorbed the original boy's soul as he died.

[Hellion Rex]

Possessed and twisted and into an abomination you mean, corpse or living the results the same.

Although to answer the OP's desire?

Killing the Host banishes the demon back to the fade in most cases.

that's me, helpful.

Cole is pure spirit though, as he mentions that the original body was destroyed to hide the guilt of the Templars who had killed the boy.

[Tamyn]

As far as I can tell, spirits don't have names - only titles.

 

So they're Qunari?

 

 

Cole is forever alone.

 

 

Noooooo. He's going to have at least two friends in my party.

[Master Warder Z_]

So they're Qunari?

 

No Qunari, also have names.

 

 

Cole is pure spirit though, as he mentions that the original body was destroyed to hide the guilt of the Templars who had killed the boy.

 

Pfft, pure spirit do you not recall the specter of the ogre in Awakening?

 

Demons can possess ashes and create a body.

[Daerog]

Cole is like the Shades.

 

The Shades are demons that tried to enter the world, didn't possess anything, and just "materialized" into the world from the shadows. Unlike Ash Wraiths who... what? Possess ashes?

 

Cole was likely a spirit, maybe a spirit of mercy or compassion, who got lost in the world, like a demon can, and just became a part of it, like the spirits/demons who possessed trees and such.

 

So, his original form/being is probably unknown to him, and he is now just Cole.

 

It may be easy to categorize spirits/demons who are in the Fade as their titles, but things tend to get all muddled when they enter Thedas. Justice can become Vengeance, Lady of the Forest, Cole, that one poet tree, and who knows, maybe the original elves were spirits that took on physical form when the Veil was formed.

 

So, Cole is just a unique spiritual being who wanders around, trying to find a long lasting motivation to go along with his immortality. The spirits of the Fade find their motivations with the emotions/virtues/vices of mortals, the demons in Thedas find purpose in chaos and control over others, and some that just become part of the world just try to be and experience the world.

 

Edit: It's not like he is trapped here, he can go to the Fade by being killed, although he would likely have to "gather himself back together" to have an identity again in the Fade, as spirits seem to disperse when killed in the Fade or Thedas. Y'know, go from Wisp back to Spirit, although whether he would still remember anything or even be the same person would be questionable.

[Joe25]

I think Cole may be a wisp. Wisp are mindless and easy for a child to summon. Cole could have summoned it around his death. And, when he died the wisp panicked and fused with Cole to bring him back. I would explain Cole's fear of fading away because without magic a wisp just fades to nothing. It would also why Cole has doesn't have a second personality. Wisps are mindless so the only personality to control Cole is Cole because the wisp thinks it is Cole,or Cole's mind over powered the wisp. Wisps have no known memory, and when we meet Cole he has amnesia. Cole's memory only comes back in the Fade. Memories are replayed in dreams so the wisp could think it's Cole because Cole's memories were played out to him. Or in the fusion with the wisp, the fusion blocked Cole's long term memory.      

[Swaggerjking]

I think Cole may be a wisp. Wisp are mindless and easy for a child to summon. Cole could have summoned it around his death. And, when he died the wisp panicked and fused with Cole to bring him back. I would explain Cole's fear of fading away because without magic a wisp just fades to nothing. It would also why Cole has doesn't have a second personality. Wisps are mindless so the only personality to control Cole is Cole because the wisp think it is Cole,or Cole's mind over powered the wisp. Wisps have no known memory, and when we meet Cole he has amnesia. Cole's memory only comes back in the Fade. Memories are replayed in dreams so the wisp could think it's Cole because Cole's memories were played out to him. Or in the fusion with the wisp, the fusion blocked Cole's long term memory.

never really thought about this would make a little bit more sense why they brought it up in the book

[Chiramu]

As far as I can tell, spirits don't have names - only titles.

 

A title is a name, ask the Qunari.

[Chiramu]

Cole might have an edge compared to other spirits because he seems to have absorbed the memories of the original boy he comforted.

 

 

Possessed and twisted and into an abomination you mean, corpse or living the results the same.

 

Although to answer the OP's desire?

 

Killing the Host banishes the demon back to the fade in most cases.

 

that's me, helpful.

 

Cole was dead when the spirit possessed him.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I think Cole may be a wisp. Wisp are mindless and easy for a child to summon. Cole could have summoned it around his death. And, when he died the wisp panicked and fused with Cole to bring him back. I would explain Cole's fear of fading away because without magic a wisp just fades to nothing. It would also why Cole has doesn't have a second personality. Wisps are mindless so the only personality to control Cole is Cole because the wisp think it is Cole,or Cole's mind over powered the wisp. Wisps have no known memory, and when we meet Cole he has amnesia. Cole's memory only comes back in the Fade. Memories are replayed in dreams so the wisp could think it's Cole because Cole's memories were played out to him. Or in the fusion with the wisp, the fusion blocked Cole's long term memory.      

 

I kinda like this. Works for me.

[teenparty]

Spirits don't exactly have titles. They are the virtues they aspire to. 

Not to be pedantic, but spirits embody certain virtues. They don't merely aspire to them. A spirit of justice will always be just, and a demon of rage will always be angry.

[BloodKaiden]

Well I'm reading Asunder now and Cole is the most interesting character for sure. I like him a lot more than I thought I would, hopefully Solas and DA: I will shed some more light on him. I believe there are greater mysteries of the Fade that haven't been revealed yet and Cole is one of them. Now will people accept what they might be from their beliefs on all things Fade/Spirits/Demons is another story.

[Defne]

Simply possessed. Cole is not dead. A child and as undead grown up?

[TheJediSaint]

I always figured Cole was a spirit who assumed the identity of a dead teenager.

[Wolfen09]

well, to clarify the op's question....  It seemed like at the end of asunder that there was no longer a "cole," but the demon that replaced him....  Now how is it cole reverted back to normal after that?  Is it something like justice and anders where even though they are "1" they still have different personalities, or did cole exercise his demon or what?

[Defne]

Cole was a child and then possessed.

[Hydwn]

Not to be pedantic, but spirits embody certain virtues. They don't merely aspire to them. A spirit of justice will always be just, and a demon of rage will always be angry.

 

The person you were quoting was quoting directly from Awakening.  I actually got that quote last night

 

Cole might have been a wisp to start with - they seem to be spirits without an identity, some because they were already damaged but maybe some because they were young.  

 

I was thinking more to the point that Cole was meant to have "imprinted" the original Cole.  The Codex entries make clear that demons copy.  They have no imagination, so they borrow human imagination.  Most latch onto one virtue or vice or aspect of human experience that they see in dreams.  

 

It's never clearly explained, but spirits seem to be long-lived but not immortal.  Many have lived thousands of years, but none ever claim to have been there at the dawn of the world.  Spirits can be killed, a codex lets you know right in the mage origin.  So the spirits would vanish unless they had some means of reproduction, and that means youngsters.  And at some point that means they have to "imprint" their concept, o choose a tribe of Pride or Love or Hunger or Faith or Desire or Justice.

 

And while most choose qualities "to which they aspire" as Justice puts it, some choose other things.  I doubt the spirit of the Brecilian Forest who became the Lady was copying a "quality."  The Brecilian Forest is a place, maybe a place she saw in mortal dreams, but still a place.

 

All this is to set up my theory on Cole.  What if instead of imprinting a quality, he imprinted a person?  That is, rather than becoming everything Justice is, or everything Desire is, or everything Pride is, he became everything Cole was?  

 

A young spirit lured across the Veil, after all, wouldn't have to copy something he saw in dreams to form his identity.  He could copy something he'd found on the other side.

[Lulupab]

I'm somewhat positive Cole is a spirit of Hope, its the only spirit and fade entity we haven't seen or read about yet. Cole is strong and spirits of Hope are the strongest spirits of the fade. Also in case of corruption he would become despair which is also fitting.

Cole was a child and then possessed.

Nope, he is a spirit. There is no possession at work here.