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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I'm somewhat positive Cole is a spirit of Hope, its the only spirit and fade entity we haven't seen or read about yet. Cole is strong and spirits of Hope are the strongest spirits of the fade. Also in case of corruption he would become despair which is also fitting.



Nope, he is a spirit. There is no possession at work here.

Reference? 

If true and you can confront cole to either become hope or despair later on, then letting him become despair would certainly increase my powerhungry madman magequisitor playthrough.

I miss my favorite companion:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/One_of_Many

And despair would certainly be able to replace him!

[Defne]

Copy spell? First a spirit and then a human? lol

[Lulupab]

Reference?
If true and you can confront cole to either become hope or despair later on, then letting him become despair would certainly increase my powerhungry madman magequisitor playthrough.
I miss my favorite companion:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/One_of_Many
And despair would certainly be able to replace him!

Every spirit can become corrupted, Devs have confirmed it. Someone asked Gaider what happens if the Spirit inside Wynne became corrupted and he Answered Faith would become Pride . Justice becomes Vengeance and its only natural that hope would become despair.

Also by this comparison Faith spirits are as strong as pride demons and hope spirits are even stronger than faith spirits so evidently Hope spirits are stronger than pride demons aka strongest known demon to Thedas.

Pride > Desire > Sloth > Rage > Lesser demons. This is how powerful demons are, however there are rare exception and a certain desire demon can be stronger than a certain Pride demon or a Rage demon can focus on retribution, which is more powerful and complex motivation than simple anger, while a Desire demon focused on lust will be less powerful.

Hope > Faith > Justice > Valor > Compassion (aka lesser spirits). And this how strong the spirit are and the spirit Justice that we know of became twisted and stronger as it focused on Vengeance not Justice. The stronger the emotion the stronger the fade entity.

Also we were promised a new kind of demon in Inquisition, it could be despair demon.

[VulpineSneak]

I think there are different types of emotions though, like rage vs righteous anger. And lust and envy, both are desires, but of different sorts. At Redcliffe, Connor just wanted his father back. Depending on which one they latch onto a rage demon could conceivably be stronger than a pride demon. Like Shah Wyrd was almost as tough as Uldred.

[Fortlowe]

The spirit has chosen to wallow in the most painful memories of a dead child, murder other people in similar distress instead of helping them escape or provide assurance that their pain is likely temporary and that life gets better with time, and delude itself and those it knows into thinking these are sympathetic behaviors.

I don't know if it has a title, but the spirit going by the name Cole is not very hopeful or compassionate in Asunder. What's become of it in DA:I will have to be examined independently, it seems.

[VulpineSneak]

Fortlowe, I'm glad that your willing to give him a chance, even after stating your distrust of him. Also, this isnt sarcasm.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Are there a limited number of spirits and demons in the fade? I find it odd how every spirit/demon shown so far has always been a pure manifestation of whatever emotion or virtue they represent and yet Cole's just Cole. So can new spirits be created?

[Lulupab]

Are there a limited number of spirits and demons in the fade? I find it odd how every spirit/demon shown so far has always been a pure manifestation of whatever emotion or virtue they represent and yet Cole's just Cole. So can new spirits be created?

They can have personalities too. But its an odd thing among fade entities.

[Medhia_Nox]

I would be most wary of a demon with a personality... it suggests to me that they've either possessed mortals before or have had a lot of contact with mortals in the Fade.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Fortlowe, I'm glad that your willing to give him a chance, even after stating your distrust of him. Also, this isnt sarcasm.

Im not sure if you can trust a cat claiming a statement isnt sarcatsm. 

[Hydwn]

Are there a limited number of spirits and demons in the fade? I find it odd how every spirit/demon shown so far has always been a pure manifestation of whatever emotion or virtue they represent and yet Cole's just Cole. So can new spirits be created?

 

As far as I know, they've never explained the life cycle of spirits.  It seems logical that new ones appear.  For one thing, one of the first things you find out is that they can die - that's in the codex entry for wisps - and none of the ones you meet claim to have been there at the beginning.  They must have some means of reproduction, or they'd have run out of spirits centuries ago.

 

That means that at some point, a newborn spirit would have to be assigned a quality, assuming they aren't born with one.  That's why I figured Cole was supposed to be a newborn spirit trapped outside the Fade who imprinted on a total person rather than a quality he saw in dreams.  

 

Certainly, David Gaider talks about him like he's a newborn.  When the topic of romance came up, Cole's creator said it would have been like romancing a child, and rejected the idea outright.

[myahele]

Him being a spirit of mercy sounds good. Its a twisted sense of mercy that kinda exists in the real world, atleast especially back then.

There have been some recordings of men who loose jobs, etc that will kill their families and off themselves. There is also "honor" killings. In his eyes he may simply be killing them before their lives get too worse.

I'd love for him to be a demon. But we know that's never gonna happen.

[Joe25]

never really thought about this would make a little bit more sense why they brought it up in the book

It would also explain why he feels the need to be good. Wisps are in the grey not truly spirit or demon. Wisps just follow order, and only get the wrath in their name if they attack. Wisp's wrath would only attack out of fear or the order of a spirit/demon. 

[myahele]

It would also explain why he feels the need to be good. Wisps are in the grey not truly spirit or demon. Wisps just follow order, and only get the wrath in their name if they attack. Wisp's wrath would only attack out of fear or the order of a spirit/demon.

According to WoT Wisps that make it to the real world sometimes like to kill/drown travelers by pretending to be a light of someones house or a torch in the distance. Well that's just paraphrasing it.

[Icy Magebane]

According to WoT Wisps that make it to the real world sometimes like to kill/drown travelers by pretending to be a light of someones house or a torch in the distance. Well that's just paraphrasing it.

That sounds strange... they intentionally do this, or they are mistaken to be lights and people wind up getting tricked?  The former suggests not only maliciousness, but a high degree of intelligence.

[Joe25]

According to WoT Wisps that make it to the real world sometimes like to kill/drown travelers by pretending to be a light of someones house or a torch in the distance. Well that's just paraphrasing it.

True. They can be impish. Also, out of the many times we've been in the woods in DA why has this never happen? I think Wisp are like spirit babies simple, but highly intelligent if given the chance.  

[Dova]

Cole is forever alone.

He wouldn't be forever alone, for me anyways, if he was romanceable. 

They did it with Anders it's almost the same situation. 

[myahele]

Yeah, at 1st I thought they were merely hanging around and they inadvertently draw attention to themselves. But why are they hanging around places where people can drown/die?

There's also that wisp in the abandoned camp. I believe wisps are somewhat intelligent the fact that they need to kill people instinctually to "reform". Wasn't mit said killed demons and spirits become wisps?

[Hydwn]

He wouldn't be forever alone, for me anyways, if he was romanceable. 

They did it with Anders it's almost the same situation. 

 

It's not really the same situation at all.  Anders was an adult who was possessed.  Cole is a child, in a sense, so it's not going to happen.  As David Gaider said:

 

“Physically, Cole is an adult. Mentally, he is not. He does not understand sex, much as a child would not, and this is explicitly stated in the book [Asunder]."

 

So, it's a very different situation.  Whatever Cole is, he's not some ancient entity who's aware enough to be romanceable.  Again, why I think he's a newborn spirit.

[Joe25]

Yeah, at 1st I thought they were merely hanging around and they inadvertently draw attention to themselves. But why are they hanging around places where people can drown/die?

There's also that wisp in the abandoned camp. I believe wisps are somewhat intelligent the fact that they need to kill people instinctually to "reform". Wasn't mit said killed demons and spirits become wisps?

Wisp like orders. I think the person gets lost in the woods and needs to find water. The, the wisps pickup on this need and leads them to the water. The drowning I think comes from people following the wisp and not looking at what's a head of them. 

 

Wasn't there a Range demon in the fire pit? I thought that it was the leader of the camp trap. Also, I kind of picked up that kill spirits and demon become wisps. I like to think that they are reborn as wisps, but maybe they just become wisps. I like the reborn idea because it mortality to the immortal beings of the Fade.  

[Hydwn]

Wasn't there a Range demon in the fire pit? I thought that it was the leader of the camp trap. Also, I kind of picked up that kill spirits and demon become wisps. I like to think that they are reborn as wisps, but maybe they just become wisps. I like the reborn idea because it mortality to the immortal beings of the Fade.  

 

If we're talking the firepit in the Brecilian Forest, that's a shade.

 

I was also wondering if there's sort of a spirit-wisp-spirit life-cycle thing going on.  It would explain how spirits die and yet maintain their numbers, and it would emphasize their immortality without relying on much more mortal reproduction strategies like sexual or asexual reproduction.  

 

Maybe they lose their forms, memory, and identity when they die, and are reborn as something else...?  Maybe Justice was a demon in a former incarnation, and he'd never know

[Lulupab]

If we're talking the firepit in the Brecilian Forest, that's a shade.
 
I was also wondering if there's sort of a spirit-wisp-spirit life-cycle thing going on.  It would explain how spirits die and yet maintain their numbers, and it would emphasize their immortality without relying on much more mortal reproduction strategies like sexual or asexual reproduction.  
 
Maybe they lose their forms, memory, and identity when they die, and are reborn as something else...?  Maybe Justice was a demon in a former incarnation, and he'd never know

Spirit merging can go quite awry tbh, especially if you have host like Anders. But we don't know enough, Justice might be free from Anders and his anger immediately upon Anders' death or there might be a way to fix the merging by going to Rivain seers. The point is Justice never acted "demony", when Anders lost control so did he but when we see him in the fade by his own self its the exact Justice we know from Awakening. And even if he kills under influence of Anders losing control he did not kill out of malice and desire to dominate like demons do.

Also another thing that might seem insignificant was the color. All demons and abominations made from them are red when they glow, Justice is always blue. Does this mean there is a fundamental difference between demons and spirits aka they are completely different from each other or are they simply same species with different motives.

[myahele]

The few time Wynnes and Anders spirit manifest themselve they are usually very sparkly and light blue. So if we use that as a basis then its quite possible the inquisitor was touched by a spirit.

On the subject of wisps: I wonder if they are influenced by thier environment and who controls them?

[Hydwn]

Also another thing that might seem insignificant was the color. All demons and abominations made from them are red when they glow, Justice is always blue. Does this mean there is a fundamental difference between demons and spirits aka they are completely different from each other or are they simply same species with different motives.

 

The writers are always very careful to avoid having anyone give a definite answer on whether they're fundamentally different species or not.  In-universe, there are a lot of very opinionated people, but it's the Fade.  How you see it probably depends on what you expect to see.

 

I was wondering if spirits reproduce by a kind of reincarnation, is the first identity completely erased...?  The joke was just meant to illustrate that Justice might hate demons now, but if a death as a wisp erases all of the data of the previous self, how would he know he wasn't the thing he hates now?

 

Ultimately, the writers haven't given us enough information about fade creatures to understand their life cycle.  But so far it's the idea that makes the most sense, given what we know, and it's too well-written and well-thought-out a world for them not to have given it some thought.

 

We do know that Justice doesn't know if there's a Maker - you can get that conversation.  Since the part of the Chant that talks about spirits has them being given commands by the Maker, either Justice wasn't there, doesn't remember being there, or that part of the Chant is wrong (all possible).

[Joe25]

The few time Wynnes and Anders spirit manifest themselve they are usually very sparkly and light blue. So if we use that as a basis then its quite possible the inquisitor was touched by a spirit.

On the subject of wisps: I wonder if they are influenced by thier environment and who controls them?

Maybe. We have never seen a wisp evolve. I picture that just like demons and spirits they would evolve to fit their environment and likelihood to survive outside the Fade. Maybe, a mage could power a wisp to evolve or change to animal form with enough magic.