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[congokong]

se it get us away from the relatively dreary atmosphere of Kirkwall and wherever Legacy takes place.

 

That said, Legacy is more important overall. The stuff here is more relevant to Hawke and will almost certainly play a role in DAI. 

 

If you're going to get anything else, Black Emporium and Exiled Prince are about tied for me. I never use Sebastian myself but the thing with Lelianna will probably be relevant to DAI.

 

 

I have doubts that anything from Legacy, an optional DLC, will play any role in DA:I. It does suggest mages really were responsible for the darkspawn but will that even matter in DA:I? The only possible role Legacy could play is that twist with Corypheus at the very end.

 

What happens in Exiled Prince with Leliana that is directly relevant to DA:I? We already know about the Chantry fighting the mages from DA2's end with Cassandra and Leliana. Faith is an amusing quest but it doesn't have much point. Leliana warns the Grand Cleric to leave which she refuses to do. Then she gets blown up.

[AVPen]

I have doubts that anything from Legacy, an optional DLC, will play any role in DA:I. It does suggest mages really were responsible for the darkspawn but will that even matter in DA:I? The only possible role Legacy could play is that twist with Corypheus at the very end.

Bingo bingo, jackpot, give that man a stuffed gorilla.

[Beliar86]

Legacy was everything I liked about DA2 concentrated into a DLC.  Lots of story, both personal and overall to Thedas.  The good redesigns, that kind of thing.

 

Mark of the Assassin was everything I hated concentrated into a DLC.  Railroaded plot, vapid characters, ridiculous cheesy designs, etc.

[Dova]

I consider BE essential just for the mirror of transformation....but then again i usually botch up at least one aspect of my character creation.

I didn't know if that'd be considered "spoiler" so I left that out.

But the free items are pretty good too if you don't have a item pack. 

[Dutchess]

I never even heard of Ms. Day before this DLC, but I wouldn't care whose voicing it. Just as I care more about the quality of the film rather than who is cast, I just want a good quality DLC.

 

What qunari lore is new? Through the codex maybe? Do people ever read that? lol I skip most of them.

 

I had never heard of her either. From what I gather she is more of youtube phenomenon than a true TV or movie star. I saw a youtube vid where she plays the MotA dlc and she seemed nice enough as a person, but that is hardly sufficient to have her own dlc. That's also why it annoys me so much that criticism on Tallis or her voice gets dismissed as jealousy. I don't know the woman and I haven't been dreaming of my own DA dlc either, so I'm pretty sure my criticism does not stem from that.

 

As for the qunari lore, I guess the part about the ben hassrath (or... something) was new? Not much else, as far as I can recall. But then again, I find every conversation about qunari culture terribly confusing. Conversations with Sten were a lot easier to understand than everything in DA2. 

 

Exiled Prince is eh. It brings back Leliana which is a plus and sheds some light on what she's been doing after the Blight. 

Although his romance is awful. They didn't really make it very good. Hell, he doesn't even really acknowledge it until you get to Act 3.  And when you get to the end of the game with Anders blowing up the Chantry he'll rage quit the party if you let Anders live. And seeing as I romance Anders 90% of the time (other 10% being Fenris) I let him leave. He should of been a free DLC imo because he isn't very worth the 7 dollars they want you to pay for being such a boring character.

 

Aww, Sebastian is getting a lot of hate here. They didn't use all his potential (his opening scene was so awesome!) but I still like him overall. He tends to be a voice of reason within a group that consists mostly of unstable extremes. He is friend to Fenris and helps him find his faith, and while I'm not religious myself and do not care for the religion in the game, I do think that is a positive thing here. Sebastian was less preachy than Leliana, or at least less delusional about dreams and visions and signs from the Maker. And from a combat standpoint, he does get a pretty good ability tree as well. Apparently Varric still deals the most damage, but Sebastian is not bad at all and more durable due to his decoy ability and there's no harm in swapping Varric out occasionally. 

 

With the little effort they put in his romance, I think they shouldn't have put it in there at all. He doesn't even have a consolation scene after Leandra's death, while that scene would have been perfect for him. So I suggest ignoring the romance. Maybe flirt with him if you have a naughty Hawke, because the flirt lines are autrocious anyway, but stick to one of the four main romances otherwise.

[Hydwn]

Aww, Sebastian is getting a lot of hate here. They didn't use all his potential (his opening scene was so awesome!) but I still like him overall. He tends to be a voice of reason within a group that consists mostly of unstable extremes. He is friend to Fenris and helps him find his faith, and while I'm not religious myself and do not care for the religion in the game, I do think that is a positive thing here. Sebastian was less preachy than Leliana, or at least less delusional about dreams and visions and signs from the Maker. And from a combat standpoint, he does get a pretty good ability tree as well. Apparently Varric still deals the most damage, but Sebastian is not bad at all and more durable due to his decoy ability and there's no harm in swapping Varric out occasionally. 

 

With the little effort they put in his romance, I think they shouldn't have put it in there at all. He doesn't even have a consolation scene after Leandra's death, while that scene would have been perfect for him. So I suggest ignoring the romance. Maybe flirt with him if you have a naughty Hawke, because the flirt lines are autrocious anyway, but stick to one of the four main romances otherwise.

 

I didn't expect to like Sebastian, but he was a well-written and well-acted character.

 

The problem was gameplay.  He's an archer, but his DPS can never get close to Varric's.  I don't think he can even outclass a well-speced archer Hawke.  Worse, since his damage is Dex-based, it means starving his cunning, so he can't be your token rogue for opening chests on higher difficulties.

 

In the end, it was a bit of the same problem Mass Effect 2 had - there is a wide range of game balance among the characters.  So a character you might want to bring along for story reasons might struggle painfully in battle.

[congokong]

Bingo bingo, jackpot, give that man a stuffed gorilla.

But I'm skeptical about its relevance because the OGB, another potentially big plot element, had no role in DA2 and I doubt will have much of one in DA:I because of how it was optional. If it had a big role then Bioware would need to almost make 2 different games. The same with Corypheus considering the variations that most players likely haven't played Legacy and that the story would be different depending on if Larius or Janeka survived. Eh, if Leliana can regrow a head then anything's possible. I'm sure Bioware will do what they want regardless. Your decisions tend not to matter in DA.

[congokong]

As for the qunari lore, I guess the part about the ben hassrath (or... something) was new? Not much else, as far as I can recall. But then again, I find every conversation about qunari culture terribly confusing. Conversations with Sten were a lot easier to understand than everything in DA2. 

 

Sten made no sense to me either. You don't know when a witty comment will earn approval/disapproval for one. He's against magic but then approves of Caladrius using 6 elven slaves for blood magic. But then he gets into a fit if you don't pay for the Green Blade in Redcliffe (despite going out of your way too save their lives with it) to the point that he steals your money.

[Fredvdp]

Legacy was pretty good and had an interesting bossfight, but it also showed that the game has pathfinding issues, which gets annoying at that part.

Mark of the Assassin is not that good, but I guess that's because I dislike the character Tallis. She was also in a very bad web series.

[Jukaga]

Sten made no sense to me either. You don't know when a witty comment will earn approval/disapproval for one. He's against magic but then approves of Caladrius using 6 elven slaves for blood magic. But then he gets into a fit if you don't pay for the Green Blade in Redcliffe (despite going out of your way too save their lives with it) to the point that he steals your money.

If I do another run in DAO I'm tempted to leave Sten to rot in his cage. Seriously, the guy massacred families over his missing sword and is a vanguard of a militant expansionist soulless empire of drones bent on oppressing every being in Thedas under their ridiculous pseudo-religion. Hopefully, given Bioware's record of allowing player-directed genocide in the 3rd game of their RPG series we will have the option to implement a solution to the Qunari in DAI.

[Jukaga]

Legacy was pretty good and had an interesting bossfight, but it also showed that the game has pathfinding issues, which gets annoying at that part.

Mark of the Assassin is not that good, but I guess that's because I dislike the character Tallis. She was also in a very bad web series.

MotA was fun despite Tallis and her awful out of place voice acting and lack of player agency in stopping her from getting away with the list. The setpieces, boss battles, scenery were all quite good imo.

[Elhanan]

Legacy was pretty good and had an interesting bossfight, but it also showed that the game has pathfinding issues, which gets annoying at that part.

Mark of the Assassin is not that good, but I guess that's because I dislike the character Tallis. She was also in a very bad web series.

I enjoyed the DA: Redemption series, and now have it on DVD. And I admire Felicia Day for her skill and intelligence, as well as here talent. Valedictorian, violinist, actress, writer, producer, singer, etc; plus she is a gamer. Also, she is a Ginger and is from the South; checks my own personal bias settings.

http://www.imdb.com/.../?ref_=nv_sr_4

[congokong]

If I do another run in DAO I'm tempted to leave Sten to rot in his cage. Seriously, the guy massacred families over his missing sword and is a vanguard of a militant expansionist soulless empire of drones bent on oppressing every being in Thedas under their ridiculous pseudo-religion. Hopefully, given Bioware's record of allowing player-directed genocide in the 3rd game of their RPG series we will have the option to implement a solution to the Qunari in DAI.

My canon warden did leave him to rot. I made a thread on the DA:O about absurd recruitments including him recently. I hate him.

 

1. He's boring and therefore I never even bring him on quests; nor do I need yet another warrior.

2. He's the worst conversationalist. You have to squeeze every word out of him and it always ends with "There is no point discussing this. Let us move on."

3. Recruiting him is absurd based on what you know. Even afterwards it's clear he has anger issues and thus shouldn't be on active duty as a soldier; especially one that sleeps near the warden at night.

4. I don't believe he deserves a chance at redemption but rather justice. Many better people than him are denied such an opportunity.

5. I dislike qunari. A mage pc has every reason to hate them. Avarrad will attack you the moment they learn you're a mage (or even related to one) in Shepherding Wolves. That's why I loved flinging the murder knife into the delegate in Offered and Lost.

[tirnoney]

My canon warden did leave him to rot. I made a thread on the DA:O about absurd recruitments including him recently. I hate him.

1. He's boring and therefore I never even bring him on quests; nor do I need yet another warrior.
2. He's the worst conversationalist. You have to squeeze every word out of him and it always ends with "There is no point discussing this. Let us move on."
3. Recruiting him is absurd based on what you know. Even afterwards it's clear he has anger issues and thus shouldn't be on active duty as a soldier; especially one that sleeps near the warden at night.
4. I don't believe he deserves a chance at redemption but rather justice. Many better people than him are denied such an opportunity.
5. I dislike qunari. A mage pc has every reason to hate them. Avarrad will attack you the moment they learn you're a mage (or even related to one) in Shepherding Wolves. That's why I loved flinging the murder knife into the delegate in Offered and Lost.

Re. 5. I've thought about doing that a few times but although I dislike the qunari, at that moment I dislike Petrice and Varnell a lot more. With so many things in DA2 it's another case of choosing one group of extremists over another when what I'd really like to do is slaughter the lot of them.

With Sten I find my warden wandering about helping people watching his approval meter slowly drop. Maybe I've just never done a renegade equivalent playthrough to get any benefit from him (or Morrigan for that matter). Next time I think I'll leave him in the cage too.

[tirnoney]

If I do another run in DAO I'm tempted to leave Sten to rot in his cage. Seriously, the guy massacred families over his missing sword and is a vanguard of a militant expansionist soulless empire of drones bent on oppressing every being in Thedas under their ridiculous pseudo-religion. Hopefully, given Bioware's record of allowing player-directed genocide in the 3rd game of their RPG series we will have the option to implement a solution to the Qunari in DAI.

Zealots that the game tries unconvincingly to persuade us are actually fluffy on the inside. 'Oh, it's only their military side we get to see in game.' That sounds oddly familiar. Now all I need is a companion in Inquisition called Boone.

'We're getting near a Qunari camp now. Just so we're clear. I see any crimson horns and I'm taking a shot.'
'As long as you don't mind me joining in the fun.'

[Fredvdp]

I enjoyed the DA: Redemption series, and now have it on DVD. And I admire Felicia Day for her skill and intelligence, as well as here talent. Valedictorian, violinist, actress, writer, producer, singer, etc; plus she is a gamer. Also, she is a Ginger and is from the South; checks my own personal bias settings.

http://www.imdb.com/.../?ref_=nv_sr_4

I think Felicia Day is good, just not in Dragon Age.

[TheMadHarridan]

Legacy is probably the best of the DLCs, as it is a dark, interesting adventure that provides some insight into Hawke's background and has a dangerous end boss (who according to the "leaked" trophy list may show up in Inquisition, depending on whether or not said list is real). Plus, you get a chance to interact more with your sibling.

 

The Exiled Prince has its merits because of the extra companion and a chance to see more Leliana. Sebastian is an okay character, if a little bland, but I would definitely not recommend "romancing" him, if you could call it that.

 

Mark of the Assassin is okay. It has some fun fights, great scenery, interesting party banter, more sibling interaction, and some Leliana and Teeeaaaggggaaannn (as Isolde would say). I'm not a huge fan of Tallis. It wasn't so much Felicia Day that put me off her character (as Felicia Day has played some interesting parts in movies I've seen), but I just didn't like Tallis herself or being railroaded into helping her. The highlight of Tallis for me was bringing my LI and flirting with Tallis in front of them. Their reactions were delightful.

 

The weapon/armor packs have some amazing gear, but they also eliminate the need to ever use anything from the base game again. The high level armors are even better than the Champion's Armor, but I still use the Champion's Armor for RP purposes.

 

I have all of the DLCs and item packs for the PS3. However, I don't have them for my PC and probably never will because of the ridiculous prices of them. Way too expensive for something that old. If by some miracle the DA2 DLCs were put on sale, I may consider buying Legacy, the Exiled Prince, and MotA (in that order), but I wouldn't buy the item packs again, as I actually want to use some of the base in-game stuff.

[congokong]

Re. 5. I've thought about doing that a few times but although I dislike the qunari, at that moment I dislike Petrice and Varnell a lot more. With so many things in DA2 it's another case of choosing one group of extremists over another when what I'd really like to do is slaughter the lot of them.
 

It's clear Petrice is a straw-man for players to do exactly as you did; side with the qunari largely to spite her despite having little reason to like them. To me Petrice is the lesser of two evils from a mage pc's perspective. It's a tough situation when you're encouraged to kill your own people who have been duped into abducting qunari all for the sake of said qunari; people who would put you in permanent chains and cut out your tongue for being a mage if given the authority. The Viscount wants you to appease the qunari but he's also a weak boot-licker; giving them lands, placating their demands, and letting their avaraad run around killing mages. And for his trouble he gets his head thrown down the Keep's steps.

[Jukaga]

It would have been nice if there way to get the mages and templars to forget their struggles to unite to take the offensive to the Qunari if you played some of the previous conversations right. It stretches credibility to imagine the powers of Kirkwall tolerating those miscreant freaks squatting in the city for years and taking the law into their own hands. Imagine how the Qunari on Par Vollen would react to an Andrastian chantry ship shipwrecking on their shores and spouting off on their culture, taking Tal-Vashoth as converts and generally acting like asses.

 

I wouldn't want this to get in the way of the final confrontations between the Mages and Templars, but I feel this could have worked as an alternate to the end of act 2.

[congokong]

It would have been nice if there way to get the mages and templars to forget their struggles to unite to take the offensive to the Qunari if you played some of the previous conversations right. It stretches credibility to imagine the powers of Kirkwall tolerating those miscreant freaks squatting in the city for years and taking the law into their own hands. Imagine how the Qunari on Par Vollen would react to an Andrastian chantry ship shipwrecking on their shores and spouting off on their culture, taking Tal-Vashoth as converts and generally acting like asses.

 

I wouldn't want this to get in the way of the final confrontations between the Mages and Templars, but I feel this could have worked as an alternate to the end of act 2.

I love the double standard you mentioned. Like Sten, I don't know why some gamers actually want the Arishok's respect. **** him. He acts like he's Mr. Charity and flies into a rage about "fixing our mess" when his own poison is stolen and he merely mentions that it has. Then he says crap like "For 4 years I've made no threat" when his Avaraad is trying to murder Hawke and companions for one of them being a mage. He also fails to see that anyone who understands the qun knows the qunari are by definition enemies to any non-qunari. That's why they get hostile when the qunari sit there idle for years. The Qun demands that its adherents not accept those not like them. What they can't accept, they convert. What they can't convert, they enslave. What they can't enslave, they kill.

[Jukaga]

Exactly, and it's not like the Qunari keep that a secret. We both clearly despise them, but it's not like they hide their intentions. Any NPC with a smidgen of knowledge about them could tell the Viscount if he couldn't take the hint by himself. It's an indisputable fact that the Qunari master plan is as you said, Convert-Enslave-Kill. They are the very definition of monsters but for some reason both games in the series have tried to portray them as misunderstood. I'd be happy to leave them to their little hermit kingdom of 'certainty' but for their jihad mindset that lies at the very foundation of their beliefs.

[congokong]

Exactly, and it's not like the Qunari keep that a secret. We both clearly despise them, but it's not like they hide their intentions. Any NPC with a smidgen of knowledge about them could tell the Viscount if he couldn't take the hint by himself. It's an indisputable fact that the Qunari master plan is as you said, Convert-Enslave-Kill. They are the very definition of monsters but for some reason both games in the series have tried to portray them as misunderstood. I'd be happy to leave them to their little hermit kingdom of 'certainty' but for their jihad mindset that lies at the very foundation of their beliefs.

All this is why I have issues with MotA and how you have to let Tallis walk away with that information instead of killing her. Maybe then Hawke could sell it to Orlais to become a duchess or something. lol

 

Remember the dialogue with Aveline?

 

Hawke: "Would siding with the Orlesians be any better?"

Aveline: "At least they're understandable. Can a qunari be grateful to outsiders? We're just tools to them. They're really not like us; not even her."

 

And the answer is no, a qunari can't be grateful unless the qun allows them to be. But I'm not sure if "gratitude" is a word the qunari even know much like how they don't know the word "parent" or "flirt." That's why the Arishok throws the viscount's head down the steps after attacking his city despite being shown every courtesy for 4 years.

[Riven326]

I think I'll pick them all up when I start playing DA2 again.