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[animedreamer]

Okay, so we have the option of playing a Vashoth Mage in Inquisition, we also have the option of recruiting a outright Qunari agent in the form of Iron Bull. I've read Bull's background as much as can be gleamed at the time until the game is fully released and we play through it several times, but what is known is that he is still faithful to his beliefs, though the wiki used the term crisis of identity, which is kind of hard to separate when it also mentioned he doesn't apologize for his way of life..

 

To the point, I'm dying to see how this ardent (maybe that's not the right word for him) follower of the Qun will respond to a being in the company of a Saarebas with no leash, in fact one that is given even greater control/influence over others. Technically such a person along with the Saarebas would be put to death, as well as all of those in company of the Saarebas. The consequences of just being around the Saarebas have to weigh in on Iron Bull's mind whether he chooses to follow the inquisitor or otherwise, I mean it's such a conflict of teachings/beliefs, that I almost want him to take the staunch Qunari approach to this entire situation, whether it means accepting the blade himself at the end while dealing it out to the inquisitor would be delicious irony.

 

I should mention this isn't out of a dislike of mages or Iron Bull but getting a better understanding of the Qun, and the role of mages within it or mages in general and how they are viewed by the Qun makes me wonder about all the possibilities in terms of interaction with both the world as a mage, but also as a mage who is willingly allowing this Qunari to follow them around.

 

Before someone mentions Sten from origins, I'd like to point out that until Sten found Asala again, he was lost, a Qunari who no longer served his purpose, who was a dead man walking. He pretty much admits he threw away any claim to the peace or honor that is the Qun. In other words he knew he was screwed and didn't care anymore, and only hoped to find honor in fighting alongside the warden in the blight, (I think he kind of wanted to die a honorable death had he not found Asala just my opinion though.)

 

As far as the title goes I named it as such because I'm most certainly going to make a Vashoth Female Mage to romance Bull just to see if at any point this idea gets to him and what his initial reaction will be. I pray that it indeed has weight between the two.

[Potato Cat]

Well he's been seen in a party with not just a Vashoth mage, but Vivienne AND Dorian, (as well as being confirmed to have banter with Solas). We'll be fine.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well he's been seen in a party with not just a Vashoth mage, but Vivienne AND Dorian, (as well as being confirmed to have banter with Solas). We'll be fine.

 

Sten had banter too, and he still has misgivings if you bothered to talk to him as a Mage and or Female.

[thats1evildude]

I think that, in the Bull's case, his hatred of demons will overcome any prejudice towards mages.

[Icy Magebane]

If a disloyal Iron Bull doesn't attempt to kill a vashoth mage Inquisitor once the crisis passes, I'll be pretty disappointed in the character.  I could understand if you gained enough approval, talked with him about his beliefs, and convinced him to choose a different path.  Otherwise, his behavior would be in direct opposition to the Qun... maybe it could be explained as not being his "role" to kill saarebas?  Sten gave the Warden a pass, after all...

 

Actually, this is probably true of all mages, not just vashoth.  Arvaraad attacked immediately if he found out that Hawke or any of their companions were mages.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

But Sten was not a mercenary. I'm sure Iron Bull puts up with all kinds of things that are outside the Qun. He's more used to it than Sten.

[Potato Cat]

Sten had banter too, and he still has misgivings if you bothered to talk to him as a Mage and or Female.

Sure, I'm not saying there won't be reactivity. If you start pushing him back to the Qun, if at all possible, he would probably bring it up. But IB isn't going to try and execute us. Hell, there's no class restrictions when it comes to romances, so he's clearly not too afraid of getting too close to a Bas Saarebas.

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually, this is probably true of all mages, not just vashoth.  Arvaraad attacked immediately if he found out that Hawke or any of their companions were mages.

 

Or if you just came from the same womb as one if you brought Bethany...

 

Sweet, Sweet Sister... 

 

The DA 2 team, needed to read more GOT.

[mentos]

It might have to do with how strong your friendship is with him similar to Fenris if you side with the mages

[myahele]

There can be exception. Sten and the Arishok both acknowledged our mage PCs. I'd imagine a mage inquisitor establishing order in a chaotic world is worth of respect...and conversion.

[animedreamer]

There can be exception. Sten and the Arishok both acknowledged our mage PCs. I'd imagine a mage inquisitor establishing order in a chaotic world is worth of respect...and conversion.

 

likes because of mentioning conversion lol

[Chernaya]

Iron Bull's way of life already completely violates the Qun, I can't really see him caring much about a Vashoth Mage being in his presence. 

[The Baconer]

The Qun is hardly known for consistency.

[animedreamer]

Didn't Mary Kirby say a very long time ago that mages are allowed to take on the role Ben-Hassrath? If that's the case I see no reason why Bull would have any issues with one that is in control of their powers. 

 

That seems very hard to believe  given the title mages in the qun carry, "Saarebas" or "Dangerous Thing" they are constantly trying to control themselves, so it seems odd that any Saarebas would be given the duty to try and control/police others, and definitely not educate others.

[myahele]

I always thought mages (the non exceptional kind) that aren't born in the Qun are killed outright?

The qunari seem smart enough to wait and recruit outsiders to their cause if they are truly serious. But still, they certainly don't seem too consistent with thier rules.

Basically, if you're perfect for the role they'll make an exception for you.

[animedreamer]

I always thought mages (the non exceptional kind) that aren't born in the Qun are killed outright?

Having read something on the wiki recently, mages born outside of the qun, are seen as hopeless by default, at best they are submitted for Qamek. Having all their memories wiped and probably made into mindless labor or maybe re-educated? ... as you said killed out right. This is probably something for the Tamassrans to decide.

[animedreamer]

She said it; not me. I wouldn't make this up. And it makes sense since a Mage!Hawke will be recognized as Basalit-an and Bassrath by the Qunari. Now I can't give you a source, but I'm pretty sure if you scour the old forums you'll find this lore tidbit.

 

I didn't mean to make it sound like you were lying, or that even she was lying. I just meant it sounds like it contradicts a lot of what we read about the Qun and Qunari culture.

[LOLandStuff]

He'd be a poor informant if he kills every mage he comes across.

 

And what best way to get sweet precious information than to bed the leader of a powerful organization.

[animedreamer]

He'd be a poor informant if he kills every mage he comes across.

 

And what best way to get sweet precious information than to bed the leader of a powerful organization.

 

but how could they trust the information they are getting from someone who is cavorting with a Saarebas?

[AshenEndymion]

but how could they trust the information they are getting from someone who is cavorting with a Saarebas?

 

If they are Qunari, they will make their report, and submit themselves for their own execution(or kill themselves like Saarebas).  If they are not Qunari, they will not make the report to begin with, because they'd know they are going to be killed afterwards.

[Altima Darkspells]

One, the Qunari Inquisitor Mage is a Tal-Vashoth. A Vashoth actively rejects the Qun. A Tal-Vashoth was born outside it and rejects it. A subtle difference, but there it is.

And Iron Bull's bio indicates that he's becoming less enamored with the Qun. Most likely, we'll be given the options to actively encourage his break with it completely or reaffirm his loyalty as a Ben-hassawhatever.

[EmperorSahlertz]

One, the Qunari Inquisitor Mage is a Tal-Vashoth. A Vashoth actively rejects the Qun. A Tal-Vashoth was born outside it and rejects it. A subtle difference, but there it is.

Its the other way around.