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[Adaar the Unbound]

If Iron Bull really has that big of a problem with mages, then it will be a problem with all mages and not just qunari ones.

[Eveangaline]

Qunari are very job specific. His job is to spy, not punish those who disobey the qun.

[Razored1313]

Hmm....I wonder if our tal-vashoth can be considered basalit-an, since s/he's technically not a bas but was never part of the qun.

As for iron bull I'm reminded of either cole or Iron bulls writers interview on the dai website, where contrary to initial expectations of bull hating cole for being...something spirit/demon related, bull instead considers him a bit weird but doesn't hate him since he's on the team, I can only assume this kind of thinking extends to the vashoth Mage as well

[Panda]

Iron Bull is better to adapt fastly or my anti-Qun Vashoth will kick him out or not recruit him. She doesn't want to hear any talk of Saarebas or Qun from him.

 

I wonder if Iron Bull is going to have problem with rogue or warrior Vashoth as well since it seems we are going to be Tal-Vashoths after all and so oppose Qun.

[Gervaise]

As I understand it, Iron Bull was assigned his role as a spy by the Qun and his cover story was that of a mercenary Tal-Vashoth.   So if he was sticking to that he would have to accept any mages and fellow Tal-Vashoth or his cover would be blown.    However, he recognised that eventually the Inquisitor's spy network is going to turn up the fact that he is in fact working for the Qun and sending reports, so he decides to come clean and tell you.    I'm assuming that at this point you have the option of saying that you cannot trust him and rejecting his help.    If you take him onto your team then he is willing to abide by that and accept any team member as one of the team.

 

To some extent his beliefs help him with this.  His role in the Qun was never one of guarding or controlling mages; therefore it is not his problem but yours.   Plus he has come to enjoy his cover story lifestyle, which includes jumping into bed with just about anyone.   So being on good terms/romancing a mage just falls within that sphere.    No doubt if he ever returns to Par Vollen he will spend a period being re-educated into the correct way of the Qun.     I think it is clear that he is having a bit of a crisis of faith and loyalties and any problems he has about being in the company of mages is probably part of that.

[animedreamer]

Qunari are very job specific. His job is to spy, not punish those who disobey the qun.

 

That's not what the concern was, the concern is that he is actively following a Saarebas, come on guys.. We've played Dragon Age 2 enough that we know the consequences of this, once IF he reports it back to his superiors! It's the same as submitting oneself to the death penalty.

[Icy Magebane]

That's not what the concern was, the concern is that he is actively following a Saarebas, come on guys.. We've played Dragon Age 2 enough that we know the consequences of this, once IF he reports it back to his superiors! It's the same as submitting oneself to the death penalty.

A true Qunari would gladly accept death if the Qun demanded it.  That said, I think Iron Bull is a traitor to the Qunari and will refuse to go home once his mission is complete.  It probably won't even be that difficult to persuade him to do so...

 

Then again, a spy who lives among Tal-Vashoth is almost guaranteed to be around at least a couple of saarebas, so perhaps death was always the expected outcome of this mission?  Maybe the rules are bent (yet again) because he is a spy, but the Qunari seemed very serious about the supposed "corruption" that saarebas can spread.  I would be more comfortable with his superiors expecting him to return home to be killed once he is finished filing his reports than granting an exception to a rule of this nature...

[theflyingzamboni]

Or if you just came from the same womb as one if you brought Bethany...

 

Sweet, Sweet Sister... 

 

The DA 2 team, needed to read more GOT.

 

The Qun does not allow this.

[wcholcombe]

Well, technically IB wouldn't care, we aren't under the jurisdiction of the Qun, much the same reason that Sten didn't go after our mages.  Character may be vashoth or tal vashoth or whichever they are calling it this week, but the area in which we live is not Qun and therefore it isn't IBs place or concern to kill or collar us.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Qun does not allow this.

 

But it's hot! 

[animedreamer]

Well, technically IB wouldn't care, we aren't under the jurisdiction of the Qun, much the same reason that Sten didn't go after our mages.  Character may be vashoth or tal vashoth or whichever they are calling it this week, but the area in which we live is not Qun and therefore it isn't IBs place or concern to kill or collar us.

 

Something tells me that Sten omitted the fact that the Warden might have been a mage when filling his report to the Antaam 

[BlazingSpeed]

A true Qunari would gladly accept death if the Qun demanded it.  That said, I think Iron Bull is a traitor to the Qunari and will refuse to go home once his mission is complete.  It probably won't even be that difficult to persuade him to do so...

 

Then again, a spy who lives among Tal-Vashoth is almost guaranteed to be around at least a couple of saarebas, so perhaps death was always the expected outcome of this mission?  Maybe the rules are bent (yet again) because he is a spy, but the Qunari seemed very serious about the supposed "corruption" that saarebas can spread.  I would be more comfortable with his superiors expecting him to return home to be killed once he is finished filing his reports than granting an exception to a rule of this nature...

 

 

That would be the more interesting result come on Bioware make interesting stories!

[StrangeStrategy]

That's not Iron Bull's job. He is not an Arvaarad; he won't do anything. He may be a little uncomfortable (because, you know, demons) but he won't drag you back to Seheron for execution.

[animedreamer]

That's not Iron Bull's job. He is not an Arvaarad; he won't do anything. He may be a little uncomfortable (because, you know, demons) but he won't drag you back to Seheron for execution.

 

The main concern is he is knowingly hanging out with mages who are not controlled by a Arvaarad, those who might corrupt him and thus he would likely be sentence to death once this information is found out. Its almost likely IB has to give up the Qun, and that's the concern here, will he follow the teachings of the Qun and submit himself for execution, (and likely if the opportunity presented itself, allow the Inquisitor to be executed.) 

[LOLandStuff]

I'm sure the qunari bend the rules from time to time. The rest don't need to know about it else they wouldn't have spies in the first place. And IB's task is to gather information. If he followed the Qun to the letter he would be doing a ****** poor job.

[theflyingzamboni]

But it's hot! 

[Parkimus]

But it's hot! 

 

To each his/her own.

[Ryzaki]

Something tells me that Sten omitted the fact that the Warden might have been a mage when filling his report to the Antaam 

 

That would've been idiotic on his part. The warden being a mage is hardly secret.

[Icy Magebane]

Sweet, Sweet Sister... 

 

But it's hot! 

 

[Tenebrae]

But it's hot! 

 

 

 

 

To each his/her own.

 

Poor guy, everyone is against you....don’t worry i brought you a friend!

 

[Master Warder Z_]

 

Pfft like i care what you think

 

Here, a vision of YOUR future Mr. green spandex.

 

 

Spoiler

 

You just enjoy that you hear 

[PsychoBlonde]

Hmm....I wonder if our tal-vashoth can be considered basalit-an, since s/he's technically not a bas but was never part of the qun.

As for iron bull I'm reminded of either cole or Iron bulls writers interview on the dai website, where contrary to initial expectations of bull hating cole for being...something spirit/demon related, bull instead considers him a bit weird but doesn't hate him since he's on the team, I can only assume this kind of thinking extends to the vashoth Mage as well

 

Basalit-an means "Bas (foreigner, also 'thing') worthy of dealing with".  It's a superior bas who isn't interested in converting but might not be completely hopeless.  The qunari Inquisitor is not Tal-Vashoth but Vashoth.  Tal-Vashoth were born inside the Qun and reject it to the degree of fight against it.  Vashoth are racial qunari who were either NEVER inside the Qun or who (at most) have turned away from it in kind of a passive fashion.

Racial qunari would likely never be described as "bas" by religious Qunari.  They'd be called either Vashoth or Tal-vashoth.  Granted, if you knew enough of the Qunlat language, you could probably have a little semantic argument over this, but it'd pretty much be pointless.  Bas is actually kind of a derogatory term the way most of the Qunari you meet use it.  It does, literally, mean "thing" after all.  Even slaves usually get granted the respect of not being comparatively valued alongside inanimate objects.  Even basalit-an isn't particularly complementary.  Oh, yay.  I've been upgraded from "useless piece of crap" to "maybe not totally useless piece of not entirely crap".

Granted, the Qunari aren't uniform any more than any other people are (although they sure like to PRETEND that they are).  Any individual Qunari may not be so down on foreigners.  They may even be quite friendly.  Unfortunately most of the Qunari we've met thus far have just had pretty awful experiences with bas and aren't inclined to look too kindly on anyone.  Many of them have even spent their entire adult lives fighting an ugly war of attrition against some of the nastiest examples of humanity around--blood mage Tevinter Magisters.  That'd put a downer on anyone's outlook in a hurry.

And the Qunari do pride themselves on being practical and sensible.  The Arvaarad in DA2 was obviously spoiling for a fight regardless--someone just murdered his buds and dragged the bodies off!  He was LOOKING for an excuse to kill Hawke and Co.  The Arishok wasn't too upset when he found out you killed him, after all.

So, yeah, I do rather expect that the Iron Bull will adopt a "not my circus, not my monkeys" approach to the Inquisitor being a mage.

[powerXmad]

Or if you just came from the same womb as one if you brought Bethany...
 
Sweet, Sweet Sister... 
 
The DA 2 team, needed to read more GOT.

I don't know wether your referring to the killing of important characters or the incest lol.

[NextArishok]

Iron Bull's way of life already completely violates the Qun, I can't really see him caring much about a Vashoth Mage being in his presence. 

This from what I see he has all but turned his back on the Qun already.  I will line him out though.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't know wether your referring to the killing of important characters or the incest lol.

 

I directly quoted how Jamie refers to Cersei...I thought that was a big enough tip.