So that statement in other words: Strong mages must become tranquils because they MIGHT become a threat later. Excuse me but I'm going to disagree wholeheartedly.
It's more along the lines of " I'd rather remove one person's emotions rather than deliver the most dangerous type of mage there is into the hands of a nation best known for corrupting mages and destroying nations."
On the one hand, I would love it if the decision to let him go, ending with him in Tevinter, came back to bite the Inquisitor. He needn't be 'evil' to be part of the Venatori. He could believe their cause is the right one for Thedas.
On the other hand, the "Hawke screws things up" meme doesn't need anymore fuel.
For a very long time Tevinter has left rest of Thedas alone and they already have dreamers there. Sending Feynriel to Tevinter is like banishing a "potential threat". So in a sense there really ins't any risk in sending Feynriel to Tevinter.
I don't think it's wise to let him go on the assumption that he might not turn out like the majority of magister lords. By all accounts, the only way to thrive in Tevinter is to wield magic without concern for morality. The Tevinters practice slavery and the most powerful mages often employ blood magic in order to avoid being oppressed by their fellows. There was no reason to believe that Feynriel would not go down this road, and it may still happen in the future despite his Act 3 heroics. It's just safer to eliminate that possibility while you have the chance.
As I said Tevinter already has dreamers and sending feynriel to tevinter is as "safe" as destroying his emotions. There have been no report of dreamer attack on Thedas after the end of war. if he becomes an abomination it will become Tevinter's problem.
A problem that Hawke would have been responsible for... no matter who has to deal with it, this is a serious threat and should not be dismissed because it doesn't happen within the Krikwall city limits...
I don't think it's wise to let him go on the assumption that he might not turn out like the majority of magister lords. By all accounts, the only way to thrive in Tevinter is to wield magic without concern for morality. The Tevinters practice slavery and the most powerful mages often employ blood magic in order to avoid being oppressed by their fellows. There was no reason to believe that Feynriel would not go down this road, and it may still be a possibility despite his Act 3 heroics. It's just safer to eliminate that possibility while you have the chance.
A problem that Hawke would have been responsible for... no matter who has to deal with it, this is a serious threat and should not be dismissed because it doesn't happen within the Krikwall city limits...
Just curious, why would he turn out like magister lords? Odds are he's not going to become a magister lord at all. They don't really like letting foreign mages into their group (and they like keeping it within certain families). Honestly if he's not careful he may be more likely to end up a slave than a magister. Remember how when you first saved him it was from slavers?
Most mages in Tevinter aren't magisters. Even if he is powerful he'd have to pretty much deliberately go out of his way to try and become a magister and he still would probably fail. Not to mention he was raised in an alieanage and even if he didn't end up with the Dalish he did kind of idolize them. I somehow doubt he's going to immediately become gung-ho about slavery just for being inside tevinter.
I don't think it's wise to let him go on the assumption that he might not turn out like the majority of magister lords. By all accounts, the only way to thrive in Tevinter is to wield magic without concern for morality. The Tevinters practice slavery and the most powerful mages often employ blood magic in order to avoid being oppressed by their fellows. There was no reason to believe that Feynriel would not go down this road, and it may still happen in the future despite his Act 3 heroics. It's just safer to eliminate that possibility while you have the chance.
A problem that Hawke would have been responsible for... no matter who has to deal with it, this is a serious threat and should not be dismissed because it doesn't happen within the Krikwall city limits...
At the risk of starting an ethics-based flame war, I don't think it's really OK to execute (whether physically or through death of personality) someone because of an innate power.
@ Evangeline - Who knows. Tevinter is a harsh land and with power comes privilege. Maybe he'll outgrow his youthful naivete and decide to make the most of his gift. Maybe he will be pressured into seeking power to stay alive once others mark him as a potential threat. This could turn out any number of ways, and given the severe consequences should things go south for him, I'd rather not assume that it will all work out in the end.
This is what you got for trusting mages hehe.
Even fenris predicted that i hope it will end that way to show how mages are dangerous and unstable. 
At the risk of starting an ethics-based flame war, I don't think it's really OK to execute (whether physically or through death of personality) someone because of an innate power.
I don't know what to tell you then... the Chantry has been doing it for a long time, so clearly the people of Thedas seem to think it's okay. Since Hawke is from Thedas, the concept isn't so unthinkable. I am merely explaining why Tranquility it is the best choice for those who are interested in maintaining peace and order, nothing more.
I don't know what to tell you then... the Chantry has been doing it for a long time, so clearly the people of Thedas seem to think it's okay. Since Hawke is from Thedas, the concept isn't so unthinkable. I am merely explaining why Tranquility it is the best choice for those who are interested in maintaining peace and order, nothing more.
Well, first of all the Chantry doesn't kill them, they stick them in a tower and occasionally give them an option between fighting a demon as an apprentice or death of personality. Sometimes they just skip to the latter. And I don't condone this, and i find it hard to believe an Apostate Mage Hawke would either.
I do like Feynriel choosing this option, but I'm not fond of someone nobody gave authority deciding this boy's fate.
This is also how we handle dangerous animals, send them back to their jungle, we don't kill them or permanently muzzle them. Of course if you want to commit a genocide if given chance and obliterate Tevinter that is another matter.
Maybe where you're from? Everywhere I've ever heard of, dangerous animals are regretfully put down.
Maybe where you're from? Everywhere I've ever heard of, dangerous animals are regretfully put down.
Maybe where you're from? Everywhere I've ever heard of, dangerous animals are regretfully put down.
Depends on how dangerous we're talking. Rabid dogs are put down, escaped bears are not. The former are dangerous because they are insane, and (literally) virulently dangerous. The latter are merely potentially dangerous, and can be safely handled.
Unfair if Feynriel is in DA:I and petrice isnt 
Well, first of all the Chantry doesn't kill them, they stick them in a tower and occasionally give them an option between fighting a demon as an apprentice or death of personality. Sometimes they just skip to the latter. And I don't condone this, and i find it hard to believe an Apostate Mage Hawke would either.
I do like Feynriel choosing this option, but I'm not fond of someone nobody gave authority deciding this boy's fate.
Um... I didn't mention killing, though... whether you condone the Rite of Tranquility or not, it was a fact of life for all Circle mages before the recent rebellion, and few outside the Circle gave it much thought. The majority of the people of Thedas condoned it, which is all that matters for the purposes of this discussion. Whether or not you can envision an apostate mage who would agree to this, they may still exist. You must also consider that 2/3 of the class choices are not mages and may have any number of values and opinions on such matters... yours is not the only valid interpretation.
Finally, authority was given when his mother and Marethari involved Hawke in their affairs. Marethari even encourages Hawke to make Feynriel tranquil before she sends you into the Fade, so your argument seems to have a rather weak basis...
Um... I didn't mention killing, though... whether you condone the Rite of Tranquility or not, it was a fact of life for all Circle mages before the recent rebellion, and few outside the Circle gave it much thought. The majority of the people of Thedas condoned it, which is all that matters for the purposes of this discussion. Whether or not you can envision an apostate mage who would agree to this, they may still exist. You must also consider that 2/3 of the class choices are not mages and may have any number of values and opinions on such matters... yours is not the only valid interpretation.
Finally, authority was given when his mother and Marethari involved Hawke in their affairs. Marethari even encourages Hawke to make Feynriel tranquil before she sends you into the Fade, so your argument seems to have a rather weak basis...
Um... I didn't mention killing, though... whether you condone the Rite of Tranquility or not, it was a fact of life for all Circle mages before the recent rebellion, and few outside the Circle gave it much thought. The majority of the people of Thedas condoned it, which is all that matters for the purposes of this discussion. Whether or not you can envision an apostate mage who would agree to this, they may still exist. You must also consider that 2/3 of the class choices are not mages and may have any number of values and opinions on such matters... yours is not the only valid interpretation.
Finally, authority was given when his mother and Marethari involved Hawke in their affairs. Marethari even encourages Hawke to make Feynriel tranquil before she sends you into the Fade, so your argument seems to have a rather weak basis...
You said they've been doing 'it' for years, and I had just drawn parallels between tranquility and execution. I assumed you had accepted that, as that was not the case, i apologize for misinterpreting. And quite frankly, i don't give a rat's ass what most people think, there was a Templar in Kirkwall who would rape Tranquil. This is disgusting, and i don't care if all of Thedas stood up and applauded for the man, but more realistically, nobody outside the Circle knew. Most people trust the templars will keep the nasty mages away, and then get on with their lives.
All I'm saying is that making Feynriel Tranquil is, Death of Personality, little better than execution with the added bonus of an extra pair of hands to sweep the floors of the circle, and to decide that he deserves this for the crime of being born a certain way is unconscionable.
Depends on how dangerous we're talking. Rabid dogs are put down, escaped bears are not. The former are dangerous because they are insane, and (literally) virulently dangerous. The latter are merely potentially dangerous, and can be safely handled.
Now that I think about it, you're right. We don't deal with bears much as a rule, so we don't see a lot of that. Mainly when something around here has to be put down it's either dangerous due to illness (your rabid example) or dangerous due to encroachment (coyotes having nowhere to go and becoming a threat to children and domesticated animals).
But Marethari congratulates you because she thinks what Hawke did was not possible aka she prefers this happening over tranquility. If she knew Hawke could do it should would not encourage it.
None of these characters can see into the future. I am only concerned with making the most responsible choice based on the information we have at the time. She is not opposed to Tranquility and left it up to Hawke's discretion. That said, Hawke might not think it's worth the risk even if it is possible to banish Torpor and the other demons.
The bottom line for me is that since the future is uncertain, the risks are too great to rule out Tranquility strictly on the basis of idealism.
But Marethari congratulates you because she thinks what Hawke did was not possible aka she prefers this happening over tranquility. If she knew Hawke could do it should would not encourage it.
That seems to be a really weak jump of logic.
A Path she doesn't know exists, that comes with its own strings attached is her preference despite her not voicing anything to that effect before hand?
Tranquility seems to be the preferred method considering she actually endorses it, she doesn't even mention possibly saving the half blood as a priority, only that he not be possessed.
and to decide that he deserves this for the crime of being born a certain way is unconscionable.
Mmm, Now that's a funny word it isn't it?
Conscience, Soul, How much are those worth?
When you stand behind people and the abyss, between order and chaos, what is personal morality worth?
How many innocents is a mage life worth do you think?
Well based on the logic that we don't know about future I listened to advice of Anders and a fade entity who know about this matter more than anyone. It seemed logical at the time. And we are talking about the person that will turn on you to save feynriel and any romance will end regardless of anything. With this determination I believed Feynriel could be saved without knowing we could actually save him. (I thought we have to tranquil him on my first playthrough)That seems to be a really weak jump of logic.
A Path she doesn't know exists, that comes with its own strings attached is her preference despite her not voicing anything to that effect before hand?
Tranquility seems to be the preferred method considering she actually endorses it, she doesn't even mention possibly saving the half blood as a priority, only that he not be possessed.
I attended a class some time ago. Its name was "gray morality" The professor who was also a Judge showed us a real evidence. there was a car accident and the bus driver tried to save her wife but in doing so he caused a hundred people to die. Now if you are in a situation to save one person or a hundred person, which one you would choose (forget about personal feelings for now, only the numbers matter). Several years later the wife who was a doctor invented a revolutionary drug for curing cancer at early stages and ended up saving thousands if not millions.Mmm, Now that's a funny word it isn't it?
Conscience, Soul, How much are those worth?
When you stand behind people and the abyss, between order and chaos, what is personal morality worth?
How many innocents is a mage life worth do you think?
Sometimes I let Feynriel go, sometimes I make him tranquil.
It doesn't matter, Tevinter will burn one day anyway.
Good point, the addition of one non pc to the population isn't over much of a threat.
But that said, it sets a scenario i don't particularly care for, Mages fleeing from the circle to a foreign hostile entity.
It's akin to going over the iron curtain in my eye.
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