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Feynriel and the Venatori


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#51
Sir DeLoria

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Good point, the addition of one non pc to the population isn't over much of a threat.
 
But that said, it sets a scenario i don't particularly care for, Mages fleeing from the circle to a foreign hostile entity.
 
It's akin to going over the iron curtain in my eye.


Yeah, it would be a problem if other mages took inspiration from it.

But it seemed like a single incident, so I figured who cares?

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Mmm, Now that's a funny word it isn't it?

 

Conscience, Soul, How much are those worth?

 

When you stand behind people and the abyss, between order and chaos, what is personal morality worth?

 

How many innocents is a mage life worth do you think?

This is not a question of Feynriel's life versus others' lives.
This is Feynriel's life versus the POSSIBLE harm to others (including death) if Feynriel can't resist, he should be killed or Tranquiled(?) (whichever he prefers, or if he refuses to decide, killed)
Unconscionable is the perfect word, it is wrong, end of statement, to kill somebody because of something they have no control over. It's also sometimes necessary. I would want him to see that, because ultimatley this is his life, and neither Marethari nor his mother have the right to decide whether or not he should die. I may have the obligation, because sometimes you must act for the greater good and Coventry needed to be bombed.



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This is not a question of Feynriel's life versus others' lives.
This is Feynriel's life versus the POSSIBLE harm to others (including death) if Feynriel can't resist, he should be killed or Tranquiled(?) (whichever he prefers, or if he refuses to decide, killed)
Unconscionable is the perfect word, it is wrong, end of statement, to kill somebody because of something they have no control over. It's also sometimes necessary. I would want him to see that, because ultimatley this is his life, and neither Marethari nor his mother have the right to decide whether or not he should die. I may have the obligation, because sometimes you must act for the greater good and Coventry needed to be bombed.

 

Mmm but you see IT IS, a question of the half blood's life versus other lives, he if he survives as a mage he goes to the Imperium.

 

How many slaves, blood thralls and servants do you think he is worth? How many do you think he'd kill before he even completed his apprenticeship?

 

Far Reaching consequence and all that, but as i said before.

 

When you said between order and chaos, oblivion and life, you don't get the privilege of a "soul". It's a luxury that you cannot afford, Morality is ultimately selfish, and for some one who stands against the bulwark and protects the masses, you cannot have it.

 

So i'd ask again how lives is that boy worth?

 

Lets hear your answer.



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Well based on the logic that we don't know about future I listened to advice of Anders and a fade entity who know about this matter more than anyone. It seemed logical at the time. And we are talking about the person that will turn on you to save feynriel and any romance will end regardless of anything. With this determination I believed Feynriel could be saved without knowing we could actually save him. (I thought we have to tranquil him on my first playthrough)

All I can say is that I'd be careful relying on the counsel of Anders and Justice.  It is clear that they have an agenda that they narrowly focus on to the exclusion of all else.  I'm not suggesting that they be dismissed outright, but their opinions are heavily biased and should not be the only viewpoint taken into consideration.  At a later stage of the game, Justice attempts to murder a young mage for the "crime" of surrendering to the Templars, and actually does so if Hawke fails in talking him down (or encourages him).  What does that say to you?

 

In any case, I understand your viewpoint but I disagree that it is the only morally right course of action.  Like so many other scenarios in DA2, there are enough variables involved that the outcome is uncertain.  As such, it is a decision that must be determined by Hawke's values, which can vary greatly without becoming illogical, artificial, or forced.


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Feynriel has a good head on his shoulders so I don't think he'd join the Venatori willingly.

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 As such, it is a decision that must be determined by Hawke's values, which can vary greatly without becoming illogical, artificial, or forced.

 

You have your justice and i have my mine.

 

*Nods*


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Feynriel will be our agent and he shall slaughter all that oppose the Inquisition!!!!

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Mmm but you see IT IS, a question of the half blood's life versus other lives, he if he survives as a mage he goes to the Imperium.

 

How many slaves, blood thralls and servants do you think he is worth? How many do you think he'd kill before he even completed his apprenticeship?

 

Far Reaching consequence and all that, but as i said before.

 

When you said between order and chaos, oblivion and life, you don't get the privilege of a "soul". It's a luxury that you cannot afford, Morality is ultimately selfish, and for some one who stands against the bulwark and protects the masses, you cannot have it.

 

So i'd ask again how lives is that boy worth?

 

Lets hear your answer.

I'd kill Feynriel in an instant if I had my Palantir and saw he was going to become a power-crazed-blood-magic wielding, abomination.
Instead I see someone who has tremendous power, and worries over his ability to use it safely without harm to others.
Not all mages in Tevinter turn to bloodmagic, and one with phenomenal power over the Fade has less call to do so.
And you can never ignore your 'soul' it's the part that says you can't cavalierly throw someone's life away because it inconveniences you. When you stand on the edge you do terrible things, you tarnish and fade to stop others from the same fate. But without that soul you no longer see that. You're Dorian Grey, with your portrait locked up, able to freely commit atrocities provided you can devise any form of excuse. You can exterminate all life, to ensure noone ever again feels pain.

I don't blindly send him to tevinter. I send him to a city whose main product is corruption, because I believe he can resist, and do good. He has shown the strength to resist demons, I trust him to resist the petty machinations of Magisters.

But if I am wrong, and if he creates slaughter, I stand by my choice. It was wrong, but in that place, in that time, it was right.


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