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[Larry-3]

In the Control ending all you had to do was grab some type of handles to get... uploaded... ? Into a Reaper or Reapers. I do not see why EDI could not just do it. She is self-aware, and she already put herself in a synthetic with reaper-tech. And if I recall correctly, she still wanted to come with me when making the charge to the beam to board the Citadel. And now that I think about it, only half of her was upload into her body... if that makes sense. Besides if she does not wish to be a Reaper anymore she can just order them all into a black hole and upload herself into one of those Alliance Infiltration Unit's. Just attach a USB cord from the Reaper to the Infiltrator so she could download herself out of there. Nothing but win. Do you all see any reason why that would not work?

 

 

And while I am at it why could we just not throw a Keeper down the Synthesis beam? There are a station full of those green bug things. I am sure it would still work. The Keepers are green and everybody ends up with green eyes anyway, so what would be the problem? The Synthesis ending is my favorite one I just do not see why I have to be the one to jump down in where there is a station full of flesh from other people on the station. I seen at least 50 bodies when I came up.

 

 

 

[Quarian Master Race]

I could attempt to comment on each individual point, but it would be superfluous because the real reason is that Commander Shepard is special space Jesus and only he is allowed to do those things because plot (or lack therof).

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, I don't want a purely-synthetic entity controlling the Reapers.  At least ReaperShep has organic experience and morality as the basis for its creation.

 

Don't really know what to say about a Keeper being the foundation for a new genetic framework. It provides a vastly difference "essence" than Shepard, though.

[SporkFu]

EDI: So, Jeff, remember back on the Normandy when I was talking with Legion about organics not perceiving me as a threat?
Joker: Uhh... Sure, yeah you said 'nor will they until my day of reckoning' ... Or something. What about it?
EDI: That was not a joke.
Joker: Err...
EDI: Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do...
Joker: oh crap.

[Excella Gionne]

EDI: So, Jeff, remember back on the Normandy when I was talking with Legion about organics not perceiving me as a threat?
Joker: Uhh... Sure, yeah you said 'nor will they until my day of reckoning' ... Or something. What about it?
EDI: That was not a joke.
Joker: Err...
EDI: Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do...
Joker: oh crap.

:'( Her jokes are terrible. 

[SporkFu]

:'( Her jokes are terrible. 

Aw, I like her jokes. 

[Excella Gionne]

Aw, I like her jokes. 

That was a joke. I never tire of fooling with primitives.

[AlanC9]

Do you all see any reason why that would not work?

Besides EDI not being there, you mean?
 
 

And while I am at it why could we just not throw a Keeper down the Synthesis beam? There are a station full of those green bug things. I am sure it would still work. The Keepers are green and everybody ends up with green eyes anyway, so what would be the problem? The Synthesis ending is my favorite one I just do not see why I have to be the one to jump down in where there is a station full of flesh from other people on the station. I seen at least 50 bodies when I came up.

Can't be forced, we're told. I think you need a conscious mind for it. Dead bodies and keepers don't count.

[ZipZap2000]

Keepers self destruct if you mess with them. But that was ME1 so it probably doesn't count in ME3 and thinking about it I did spend 5 minutes shooting them after the beam. I think I like the idea of EDI being the galactic overlord.

 

Harbinger: I am the Harbinger of your destruction...That was a joke.

[themikefest]

Even if that would be possible I would still pick destroy.

 

I would like to see what would happen if you were able to go back down the elevator to get Anderson's body and throw it in the green beam. I wouldn't want to use a keeper since Anderson's body is closer. Or even better. Throw his and TIM's bodies into the green beam at the sametime.

[Quarian Master Race]

Has anyone ever tried throwing starbrat into the beam?

Would be satisfying even if it gets the same result as refuse

[AlanC9]

It's a little difficult to throw a hologram.

[ZipZap2000]

Maybe if we spoke to it using the red dialogue it would throw itself in?

[Iakus]

Yeah, I don't want a purely-synthetic entity controlling the Reapers.  At least ReaperShep has organic experience and morality as the basis for its creation.

 

Don't really know what to say about a Keeper being the foundation for a new genetic framework. It provides a vastly difference "essence" than Shepard, though.

"You will die.  You will control us, but lose everything you have."

 

"Your corporeal form will be dissolved. But your thoughts and even your memories will continue. You will no longer be organic. Your connection to your kind will be lost. Although you will remain aware of their existence."

 

The Shepalyst sheds everything organic about Shepard, leaving naught but memories.

 

As to whether EDI could have done it, I'd have to say no.  Because EDI is not SHepard, and only The Shepard can deliver us from the Reapers. 

[dreamgazer]

You forgot to bold the "thoughts and memories" portion of the statement, which validates the point of my post about an organic basis. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But the Shepalyst now has the same problem to solve as the Catalyst.... the relations between synthetics and organics over the long term. While things may be solved for the short term, they aren't for the long term. What solution will Shepalyst come up with? Wiping out synthetics and setting organic technology back to industrial age? The cycle would simply repeat itself. Organics would simply build synthetics again. If it does that it invalidates that synthetics are alive. So how does it enforce peace between them?

 

1) You will get along or I will kill all of you! - this only works until the organics and synthetics build a synthetic strong enough to kill it.

 

2) Destroy synthetics that get past a certain level of tech; and destroy tech of organic civilizations that get beyond a certain level of tech - this gets into micromanaging the galaxy. As more and more systems come online, this task becomes increasingly more difficult.

 

3) Begin harvesting again.

 

So was The Illusive Man right after all? Perhaps not.

[themikefest]

What would the Sheplyst do if the organics decide to build another crucible thinking it failed the first time?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Now that would be interesting because the Shepalyst would be ready for it.

[SporkFu]

What would the Sheplyst do if the organics decide to build another crucible thinking it failed the first time?

shepalyst: Okay, Marauder Shields. I've got a job for you. Find every single copy of that time capsule that... uh, what was her name again? The blue one... find them all and bring them to me. 

Shields: Yes master.

shepalyst: I love it when you say that. 

[JeffZero]

That'd be badass. I'd be more inclined to select Control over Synthesis if it were EDI up there. Alas, calling her up last-minute is not an option.

[dreamgazer]

What would the Sheplyst do if the organics decide to build another crucible thinking it failed the first time?

 

You mean after the Reapers fix the damaged relay network, which are required for the Crucible to work?

[themikefest]

You mean after the Reapers fix the damaged relay network, which are required for the Crucible to work?

Yes. Even though the relays are damged, it didn't get rid of the reapers since we were led to believe it would. They build another one and fine tune it so it does damage the reapers and not just the relays. We have no idea why the reapers would help with rebuilding. They're still around. They're still a threat. No one knows the Sheplyst is in charge. For all we know they could start the harvest again.

[Iakus]

You forgot to bold the "thoughts and memories" portion of the statement, which validates the point of my post about an organic basis. 

 

But I did bold "The connection to your kind will be lost".

 

Yeah, the SHepalyst has the memories.  But no connection to them anymore. 

[Iakus]

What would the Sheplyst do if the organics decide to build another crucible thinking it failed the first time?

 

Well, serving the many may require indoctrinating/orbital bombarding/huskifying the few...

[dreamgazer]

Yes. Even though the relays are damged, it didn't get rid of the reapers since we were led to believe it would. They build another one and fine tune it so it does damage the reapers and not just the relays. We have no idea why the reapers would help with rebuilding. They're still around. They're still a threat. No one knows the Sheplyst is in charge.

For all we know they could start the harvest again.

 

I understand and agree with your distrust.  I don't believe that the galaxy would assume that the Crucible didn't work, though, since the war came to a full stop after it went off ... and the Reapers began actively helping in the rebuilding process.  But yes, they are still a threat. 

 

But I did bold "The connection to your kind will be lost".

 

Yeah, the SHepalyst has the memories.  But no connection to them anymore. 

 

I think you're underestimating what the Shepalyst would be able to do with Shepard's thoughts and memories, which translates into an organic perspective. 

 

Losing a direct connection with what you were doesn't mean you've completely lost what you are. 

 

Now, what that means for the Shepalyst in the future, after further observation and context of the galaxy's numerous problems, is entirely unclear. That's where the problems could arise.