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[AlanC9]

Shepard driving them into the sun wouldn't be stupid.

It's pointless destruction. That isn't stupid?

[AlanC9]

As long as they're still around they remain a threat and there will always be a possiblity that the harvest could start again whether they are provoked  or not.

How do you figure that? The Reapers have remained true to the cycles for million and millions of years. it won't take nearly that long for the Reapers to become irrelevant .

[themikefest]

How do you figure that? The Reapers have remained true to the cycles for million and millions of years. it won't take nearly that long for the Reapers to become irrelevant .

If they remain true to the cycles, then why didn't they go after the Citadel when they first entered the galaxy?

[ImaginaryMatter]

It's pointless destruction. That isn't stupid?

 

What if Shepard wanted to destroy the Reapers but didn't want to rid the world of sentient lamps?

[Iakus]

It means about the same thing Shiala meant in ME1: perspective.
 

So at what point did Shepard start buying into "evolutionary imperative"?

 

 

Your analogy doesn't really work. It'd be more like flipping through a lifetime's worth of home videos and photo albums of a family you don't really know. And you could absolutely connect dots and build a perspective from that.

  How does it not work?  We have something which you have memories of being attached to, but no longer have that connection.  

 

But even if we went with your own analogy, The attatchment would be at most an abstraction.  Incomparable to having genuine history and emotional connection to, say, your own family.

[Ravensword]

If they remain true to the cycles, then why didn't they go after the Citadel when they first entered the galaxy?

Shepard's plot armor.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

If they remain true to the cycles, then why didn't they go after the Citadel when they first entered the galaxy?

 

Because it would have been a very short game if they did. OR Bioware plot writing... don't think about it. It doesn't make any sense when you do.

[themikefest]

Because it would have been a very short game if they did. OR Bioware plot writing... don't think about it. It doesn't make any sense when you do.

Yeah. I keep forgetting that the third game of the  trilogy is  the starting point

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 re: Title -- no.

 

 

In the meantime, let me see how my avy looks in the forum main pages...

[Daemul]

In this scenario you should try to stay on friendly terms with them as long as possible so you have more time to actually get closer to their level of technology.

While I agree with everything else you said, I do disagree with this last part. I don't see the Reapers staying at their current technological level whilst the rest of the galaxy catches up with them. It made sense for them to stay at the same technological level before, since they controlled just how much each cycle was allowed to advance before they were harvested, but with the cycles no longer being in place, the Reapers will begin advancing again.

They've been stuck at the Leviathans technological level for a billion years, it's time to start making progress again.

[fhs33721]

While I agree with everything else you said, I do disagree with this last part. I don't see the Reapers staying at their current technological level whilst the rest of the galaxy catches up with them. It made sense for them to stay at the same technological level before, since they controlled just how much each cycle was allowed to advance before they were harvested, but with the cycles no longer being in place, the Reapers will begin advancing again.

They've been stuck at the Leviathans technological level for a billion years, it's time to start making progress again.

Good point. The Reapers most likely will develop further as well. Just more reasons to try to stay on their good side.

[Iakus]

Good point. The Reapers most likely will develop further as well. Just more reasons to try to stay on their good side.

Or periodically regress everyone else's technology to, say, pre-space flight.

 

Or Iron Age.

 

Purely for their own good, of course.

[fhs33721]

Or periodically regress everyone else's technology to, say, pre-space flight.

 

Or Iron Age.

 

Purely for their own good, of course.

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Either way the result would still be that attacking them would be suicidal. I'm not arguing for Control here. I'm just saying that anyone attacking the Reapers after they suddenly stopped their harvest would be a moron.

[Iakus]

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Either way the result would still be that attacking them would be suicidal. I'm not arguing for Control here. I'm just saying that anyone attacking the Reapers after they suddenly stopped their harvest would be a moron.

Yeah, but the Reapers believe that have achieved evolutionary perfection.  But the hairless monkeys still managed to nearly destroy them.

 

What better way to make sure the people they are "protecting" don't try this again than to make sure they never achieve the level where they could build or deploy a Crucible again?

[fhs33721]

Yeah, but the Reapers believe that have achieved evolutionary perfection.  But the hairless monkeys still managed to nearly destroy them.

 

If by nearly destroy them you mean:

They survived only due to a glitch in the citadel that was caused by the protheans and then in a stroke of complete dumb luck an allied Asari found plans for a supposed superweapon (from past races no less) which they built without knowing what it actually does. Even more conviniently a combination of Shepards plot armor, that is even worse than Rambos and villain stupidity from the Reapers on hilariously high levels actually enables them to use it.

 

Then yes humanity almost destroyed them.

 

More correctly: humanity was a bunch of clueless naked apes that survived only because smarter races like the Protheans, the Asari (through Liara) and all the past cycles that  designed the crubcile helped them out. Furthermore it's not like humanity waged war against the Reapers and built the crubcile on their own. They had massive help from other species.

So no the hairless monkeys didn't almost destroy anything. A combined effort of all the galaxies species almost destroyed the Reapers with a desperate last minute plan that could easily have backfired or could have done nothing at all.

[themikefest]

There is enough war assets collecting from the Alliance and if you include ex-Cerberus war assets, then humanity can defeat the reapers without any help

[fhs33721]

There is enough war assets collecting from the Alliance and if you include ex-Cerberus war assets, then humanity can defeat the reapers without any help

No they can't. The Story won't allow you to skip recruting at least some alien races. The crubcile is a joint project in any case meaning that humanity did not beat the Reapers without any help.

Plus they would most likely  not even make it to ME1 without alien help.

The protheans prevented the current cycle (most likely including humanity) from being steamrolled completly by messing with the keepers.

Liara found the plans for the crubcile while the alliance was to apparently dumb to search their archive correctly and without previous cycles species the crubcile plans wouldn't even exist, rendering the only chance humanity had nonexistant.

Furthermore the other species help humanity simply by being attacked as well. If all Reapers concentrated on humans specifically they'd be done for so fast that they couldn't even finish the crubcile before their military broke apart completely. Humanity alone would be (even more) helpless against the Reapers.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But what about the Volus? They probably could have loaded a Volus into a cannon and fired him into the beam right past Harbinger and Marauder Shields.

 

Jahleed: Anderson!

 

Anderson: Jahleed! I can't...

 

TIM: I underestimated you Jahleed. Control is the means to survival. Control of the reapers and of you if necessary.

 

Anderson: They're controlling you.

 

TIM: I don't think so Admiral.

 

Jahleed: ffffssssk Why waste your time with us... fffffssssk ... if you can control the reapers.

 

TIM: Because I need you to believe. When humanity blah blah blah.... only if we can harness their ability to control.

 

Anderson: Bulls**t. We destroy them or they destroy us.

 

TIM: And waste this opportunity? Never.

 

Jahleed: fffsssk... Maybe you're so hungry for power ... ffffssssk ... that it's clouded your vision.

 

TIM: No No It's not that simple.

 

Jahleed: ffffssssk...  Isn't it?  fffssssk ... You're willing to give up anything for control.

 

TIM: Yes. yes. If not me, then who? Are you ready to control the reapers?

 

Jahleed: ffffsssk.... I have... ffffssssk ... better things to do .... ffffssssk ... with my time.

 

Anderson: There's always another way.

 

And so on up to starbrat.....

 

The control rods are up too high for the Volus. The Volus can't get enough speed to make the jump to synthesis. The Volus will destroy the reapers. It is the shortest walk. And the Volus will not run head long into the explosion.

[themikefest]

 

No they can't. The Story won't allow you to skip recruting at least some alien races. The crubcile is a joint project in any case meaning that humanity did not beat the Reapers without any help.

Plus they would most likely  not even make it to ME1 without alien help.

The protheans prevented the current cycle (most likely including humanity) from being steamrolled completly by messing with the keepers.

Liara found the plans for the crubcile while the alliance was to apparently dumb to search their archive correctly and without previous cycles species the crubcile plans wouldn't even exist, rendering the only chance humanity had nonexistant.

Furthermore the other species help humanity simply by being attacked as well. If all Reapers concentrated on humans specifically they'd be done for so fast that they couldn't even finish the crubcile before their military broke apart completely. Humanity alone would be (even more) helpless against the Reapers.

No kidding.

 

I only put that to show that the Alliance has enough assets that they could defeat the reapers

 

Liara did not find any plans. She only found bits and pieces, clues really, that led to plans that might be in the archives