BioWare never reveals the reason they went missing before so I hope we'll learn something about their disappearance in DA: I. People who like to make an assumption already think they disappear for the same reason, and Flemeth have something to do with it.
Cassandra outright says that they are connected, they've been building up to this.
Cassandra outright says that they are connected, they've been building up to this.
Where she says that? It is leliana who says that it isn't coincidence a person that doesn't know anything about their disappearance...
Where she says that? It is leliana who says that it isn't coincidence a person that doesn't know anything about their disappearance...
Was it? Ha, my mistake.
She doesn't know anything about their disappearance, but the writers do. If you introduce two plot elements at the same time, and speculate that they are connected, and you're doing this as part of your big finale it has to be some kind of foreshadowing. Or the writers are horrible people.
To be honest it could simpe explanation that they went to recruit the warden and they couldn't find them besides not revelant stuff hawke and the warden weren't connected to disapear together.Besides cassandra makes assumptions that aren't right all the time in da 2. 
BioWare never reveals the reason they went missing before so I hope we'll learn something about their disappearance in DA: I. People who like to make an assumption already think they disappear for the same reason, and Flemeth have something to do with it.
Honestly, I don't think that Flemeth is that bad at all. She is quite like Illusive Man to me.
Honestly, I don't think that Flemeth is that bad at all. She is quite like Illusive Man to me.
Does that mean we can persuade her to commit suicide at the end?
I was rather thinking that her intentions are still unclear...
But yeah, that wouldn't surprise me, really.
But yeah, that wouldn't surprise me, really.
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To be honest I never found TIM to be all that ambiguous in his intentions or the means he would employ to achieve them. Flemeth on the other hand seems less clear. Her line about being "a fly in the ointment" sounds a bit ominous...tainting anything cannot be good.
I took 'fly in the ointment' to mean as someone really annoying to the 'powers that be'. It doesn't all have to be about darkness and tain you know.
I think he's a stand in for whatever character is with Hawke at the end of DA2; so if you romanced someone, then they're with Hawke in that scene, if not it's you're sibling, and if you didn't romance anyone and you're sibling is dead then you get some random warden.
I don't know.
There are four characters in that scene. One is the current player character. One is a previous player character. One is an unknown quantity. And the fourth is an abomination from beyond the veil of time and space.
Me, and a lot of other people, I think, like the idea that the scene is meant to be three of the series' pc's facing off against whatever the hell that monster is. I don't think two PC's and one of the pc's LI's has the same weight.
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I don't know.
There are four characters in that scene. One is the current player character. One is a previous player character. One is an unknown quantity. And the fourth is an abomination from beyond the veil of time and space.
Me, and a lot of other people, I think, like the idea that the scene is meant to be three of the series' pc's facing off against whatever the hell that monster is. I don't think two PC's and one of the pc's LI's has the same weight.
It would probably be considered the most epic moment of the series thus far if it is DA's Trinity. The more I think about it the angrier I'll be if it is Alistair.
The warden in the screenshot is just a placeholder model, we will not see that Warden in the game. The actual Warden with Hawke, is Carver, that's the theory I'm running with until proven wrong.
The warden in the screenshot is just a placeholder model, we will not see that Warden in the game. The actual Warden with Hawke, is Carver, that's the theory I'm running with until proven wrong.
What if the Mage Hawke had a Templar Carver?
I'd like to think that a place holder model for Carver would at least have the right hair color.
I'd like to think that a place holder model for Carver would at least have the right hair color.
Speculation. If the placeholder had dark hair nobody would think it was Alistair, BioWare thrives on Speculations.
What if the Mage Hawke had a Templar Carver?
Templar Carver would show up with Hawke.
Well it's not a possibility I'm going to rule out, but it would be a disappointment.
Templar Carver would show up with Hawke.
I dunno, that seems like too much to have a place holder for 4 types of Hawke siblings plus the Hero of Ferelden
Currently, I'm running with the concept that this is not "THE Warden from DAO" but "the Warden" from the Awakening expansion. In BioWare DAO "canon" (aka the default worldstate used for DA2), Warden Mahariel makes the Ultimate Sacrifice. Being dead, THE Warden cannot continue on to participate in the events of the Awakenings expansion. The Awakenings expension's default/newly created PC is a new, different person -- a Warden with an Orlesian background. The Blondilocks Warden in the screenshot could be that Warden. MageHawke seems to be the default "canon" and that is what this Lady Hawke is as well. So I'm more leaning toward this shot simply being BioWare's default worldstate being used as their import for this scene.
The idea of all three protagonists of the franchise thus far meeting in that scene is weightier to me than if it is just Hawke and some random Warden or blonde Carver.
That's warden armor? Looks like any of a number of DA2 leathers i saw. is that the entire picture or is it cropped for posting?
If it's not warden armor, I'd hazard a guess the guy in the pic is Cullen. They look similar and this could be a Varric retelling of Hawke's experiences (since the iconic Marion Hawke is shown), and we've already experienced playing with this particular Hawke (at the beginning of DA2 prior to CC opening up). Since people can look however Varric wants them to in his stories, Bioware can get away with the iconic (hoping if the Hawke is male, Marion is just a 'placeholder' and we can see a male Hawke--even iconic--in her spot). And Cullen is something both Hawke and the Inquisitor have in common.
It might be Carver, but again, that's iffy, assuming the Hawke was a mage, and that he was in the wardens AND it's the wrong coloring for that particular Hawke preset, but it may be a placeholder for any number of characters and this one is the one depicted in the screenies.
Eh, we may find out when the game is released. Not going to get all worked up with it for now. I know Steve Valentine has done some voice over work for Inquisition, so Alistair will be turning up if he's alive, but I'm thinking that's not Alistair for now.
Yeah, it's the Warden armor from DA2. And besides, we've aready had a good look at Cullen in DA:I, and that guy looks nothing like him.
We've been told by Mike Laidlaw already that it wasn't either. It's Carver.
Err..No one said it was Carver. Only you.
Note that they said it was the Warden from DAO. That could easily mean it's the Orlesian Warden Commander from DA:A. He/she is not referred to as "the Warden" and in Bioware's default world state, The Warden is Dalish who sacrificed himself/herself so you would probably see the Orlesian Warden Commander by default.
I think the reasoning behind the "it's Carver" theory is that people are assuming whoever that is is there with Hawke.
I don't necessarily think there's a reason to believe that. We don't have any context on this scene, other than that they're about to fight that horrific spider/crab thing.
That can't be Carver. He got smashed by an ogre.
Not if you picked a Mage Hawke if you did it was Bethany that got smashed by the Ogre
To be honest it could simpe explanation that they went to recruit the warden and they couldn't find them besides not revelant stuff hawke and the warden weren't connected to disapear together.Besides cassandra makes assumptions that aren't right all the time in da 2.
Actually they are connected at least indirectly in that both were saved by Flemeth and as payment for saving their life asked to do her a "favour" in return just as King Maric was in The Stolen Throne,Flemeth does not waste neither time nor energy saving random people from death in all 3 cases that we know of there has been a motivation behind the act.
That's warden armor? Looks like any of a number of DA2 leathers i saw. is that the entire picture or is it cropped for posting?
If it's not warden armor, I'd hazard a guess the guy in the pic is Cullen. They look similar and this could be a Varric retelling of Hawke's experiences (since the iconic Marion Hawke is shown), and we've already experienced playing with this particular Hawke (at the beginning of DA2 prior to CC opening up). Since people can look however Varric wants them to in his stories, Bioware can get away with the iconic (hoping if the Hawke is male, Marion is just a 'placeholder' and we can see a male Hawke--even iconic--in her spot). And Cullen is something both Hawke and the Inquisitor have in common.
It might be Carver, but again, that's iffy, assuming the Hawke was a mage, and that he was in the wardens AND it's the wrong coloring for that particular Hawke preset, but it may be a placeholder for any number of characters and this one is the one depicted in the screenies.
Eh, we may find out when the game is released. Not going to get all worked up with it for now. I know Steve Valentine has done some voice over work for Inquisition, so Alistair will be turning up if he's alive, but I'm thinking that's not Alistair for now.
It is warden armor, take an look at the concept and the trailer shot:
That is in no doubt an rogue warden.
So this guy simply can't be either Carver, Alistair or even Cullen.
This is how Carver and Alistair would look like if they were in the trailer:
See how they look different from that guy in the trailer, not just in appearance but armor style as well?
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